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    Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    "Kodak Now Offers its New EKTAR 100 - World's Finest-Grain Color Negative Film - in 120 Format ROCHESTER, N.Y., Feb. 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Eastman Kodak Company (NYSE: EK) continues to expand the options available to photographers by offering its new KODAK PROFESSIONAL EKTAR 100 Film in 120 format. Announced at Photokina in October 2008 and currently available in 35mm format, EKTAR 100 Film offers the finest, smoothest grain of any color negative film available today."


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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Very curious to see how this compares to Fuji and how it looks through a Mamiya 7.

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Interesting to see that they say that the grain is comparable or finer than E100G -- that is pretty impressive. That is always been one of my barriers to color negative -- while I don't mind grain on black and white, I don't like it on color.
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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    a flickr buddy already has some photos up with it -- it looks edible!

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Are there online or mail order labs that will process the film and then do a decent scan? I'd be very interested in having a service that could provide the negative as well as a set of hi res scans either on disc, or available for download. Anyone aware of a service like that?

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    Are there online or mail order labs that will process the film and then do a decent scan? I'd be very interested in having a service that could provide the negative as well as a set of hi res scans either on disc, or available for download. Anyone aware of a service like that?
    Tim,

    We can develop and scan 120. Check out our photo lab website at www.dalelabs.com.

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Thanks David! I sometimes forget that you're a lab as well as a dealer.

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    If you are sending 120/220 film for processing you may want to buy some polypropylene boxes to ship the exposed film in. Tap Plastics sells a variety of sizes. I used them to carry around my film at weddings. Also works great to protect the film when shipping. The lab will send the boxes back to you.

    There are also polypropylene tubes with snap caps for 120/220 film similar to the polypropylene tubes that 35mm film comes in when you buy it. Same, just bigger for 120/220 rolls. Not to take away from anyone's business, but Miller Labs will send them to you, free, when you use their services. I would think all professional mail order processing labs would have them.

    http://www.millerslab.com/

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Ektar might be an interesting option for 6x12 and 6x17 instead of E100G, the extended DR of neg film is always welcome in panoramic format. I'll certainly give it a try.

    I looked at samples, it's fine-grain indeed. Saturation seems a bit over the top though.

    Here is a link to a comparison with Velvia, which Ektsar 100 seems to handle well.

    http://www.stockholmviews.com/kodak-...iew/index.html
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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    a shot from the Xpan on Ektar 100





    a 100% crop

    (scanned from an Eversmart scanner at 3200 dpi... unsharpened)



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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimCollum View Post
    a shot from the Xpan on Ektar 100
    a 100% crop (scanned from an Eversmart scanner at 3200 dpi... unsharpened)
    Looks like grain isn't what limits resolution (good for Kodak, bad for Jim )

    The Ektar seems to have really handled the tonal span well, keeping foreground detail and sky saturation. Looks like a winner for dawn/dusk.
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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Looks like the Sutro Baths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfarkas View Post
    Tim,

    We can develop and scan 120. Check out our photo lab website at www.dalelabs.com.

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    and I can say Dale lab " is the Tits" for sure you cannot go wrong with them!!!

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to hijack this thread a little...

    After 25 years without shooting film, I'm making a return. And guess what? I don't have a clue about which films are out there and what might currently be considered "the" films to use.

    I'm curious about the new Ektar in 120 (I'll be using 120 film). How about for transparencies? Kodak EPP any good? I know zip about Fuji, and have only read about Velvia as it is used often to compare looks with digital.

    And even B&W, I'm tempted to just go with T-Max 100 and maybe some TriX 320.

    But I'm completely open to suggestions. Any ideas?

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Well, here are my general ideas...

    EPP has natural colors, and low contrast, but it can be a bit bland...it also has larger grain than the latest generation of slide films. My favorite overall slide film is E100G -- it has natural, but saturated colors, good contrast and very fine grain. It is probably the closest current slide film to Kodachrome, though it has higher contrast and not quite the same look. Provia is Fuji's equivalent, which is also very good.

    Astia is a slide film with lower contrast and good skin tones that is geared towards portraiture. It is closer to EPP.

    EPN is dead neutral -- completely as your eye sees color. Strangely, no one shoots it except for catalogs etc.

    In the 400 range, Provia 400X is the go to film -- very low grain for the speed, and a very versatile film.

    Velvia has very saturated colors and high contrast. Fairly ruddy skin tones that are not very flattering. Extremely fine grain.

    In my very subjective opinion, E100G is the best 100 speed slide film and Provia 400X is the best 400. Astia is my preferred slide film for portraits.

    In black and white, I am partial to the Fuji films. Acros is extraordinary -- super fine grain, great tonality, and very easy to process. It also has no reciprocity correction up to 10 minutes or so. Neopan 400 is like tri-x with slightly finer grain -- still a very nice classic look. Tri-x is still great.

    Here are some samples, though monitors and scanning can obviously change the look of things.

    E100G:




    Astia 100F:


    Velvia 100:


    Acros:




    Neopan 400:


    For anything faster, Neopan 1600 is the one to go for.
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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    For slide film, output is nowadays often from scans so people like fine grain and lower contrast/saturation for later digital processing. Astia, E100G are good candidates with extremely fine grain (a LOT finer than your old EPP) and low "punch". Of course Velvia 50 still looks great on the light table and is equally fine grain, as is Provia (higher contrast than Astia but not the overthetop colors of Velvia). If you step up to 4x5 and larger then grain doesn't matter so much.

    Anywhere in the Southwest you should try E100VS. Just never, ever, use a polarizer over a blue sky with VS.

    VS samples:
    http://www.8x10.se/pages/gallery-large.asp?id=443
    http://www.8x10.se/pages/gallery-large.asp?id=22
    http://www.8x10.se/pages/gallery-large.asp?id=11
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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Thank you Stuart and Lars for your recommendations and beautiful samples! I will put together a short list based on your suggestions and start trying them as soon as the camera arrives.

    You're both already quite a ways down a path I'm just beginning. When I was using film, there was no need (or ability) to scan it unless it was for separations. So finding the right combination of elements--film, developer, scanner, etc.--that will resonate for me, will be an interesting challenge.

    Is there ever a reason to shoot color negative film and scan it for digital processing?

    Thanks again,
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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    Is there ever a reason to shoot color negative film and scan it for digital processing?

    That is exactly what Hollywood does -- shoots movies on color neg film, scans to digital for effects and editing. I don't think there are any major motion pictures being shot on color reversal film anymore.

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    There is definitely a strong case for color negs - latitude. When slides and digital will clip overexposed highlights, negs will hold detail. This gets more important with larger formats, as bracketing get impractical and costly. It also means you can rely on a less accurate metering method, whereas with slide film you'd better be spot on.
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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    some people like color negative, but I generally don't. We'll see if Ektar 100 changes it. Some things I don't like -- it has much larger grain than equivalent slide film (well, until Ektar), the colors require individual and specific correction in most scanning programs -- the mask makes it more difficult to get accurate colors. It also has a significantly shorter archival life than E6 films. Finally, slide film has a "bite" that color negative film just does not have -- the richness of the colors, the microcontrast and the overall look just looks much more natural to me. And when you are scanning, you already have the final, perfect starting point to compare to on the lightbox. Should the colors be a certain way? Just look at the slide and you'll see. If you want to change something, you can always do it after you reproduced the slide as it is on the lightbox. Color neg has no such reference...you have to do it all from memory.
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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Stuart:
    Your 'Acros' shots are Stunning
    Love the overall Depth & Tones
    Can't wait to Try...Thanx for Posting

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    I hear what you're saying about transparency film Stuart. It reinforces my memory of the film from long ago. It was the film of choice for any work that was going to print.

    Color negative film was for snapshooting, weddings, etc. The last color negative film I used was VPS. But the advent of Ektar in roll film size (the original topic of this thread!) has me wondering. I will no doubt try some since I also remember the critical exposure requirements of slide films. Its narrow DR can get you (me) into trouble fast.

    Ultimately the strengths and weaknesses of any film can be used to advantage if used in the right context with a clear goal in mind. It's wonderful to have options and there now seem to be many more films to work with than there used to be.

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    some people like color negative, but I generally don't. We'll see if Ektar 100 changes it. Some things I don't like -- it has much larger grain than equivalent slide film (well, until Ektar), the colors require individual and specific correction in most scanning programs -- the mask makes it more difficult to get accurate colors. It also has a significantly shorter archival life than E6 films. Finally, slide film has a "bite" that color negative film just does not have -- the richness of the colors, the microcontrast and the overall look just looks much more natural to me. And when you are scanning, you already have the final, perfect starting point to compare to on the lightbox. Should the colors be a certain way? Just look at the slide and you'll see. If you want to change something, you can always do it after you reproduced the slide as it is on the lightbox. Color neg has no such reference...you have to do it all from memory.
    Yep I have to agree with Stuart here - there is no unambiguous color reference in a neg, it has to be interpreted. In a way like digital raw workflow actually, except there is no software to help you get consistent results. If you want perfect color accuracy you have to set up your workflow and stick to it, from shooting through development and scanning.

    In the workflow, slide film gives an intermediate reference point in the film's interpretation of color, you can evaluate the results before scanning. OTOH you lose shadow and highlight detail with slide film.

    Still, the latitude of negative has its advantages. I've consistently shot slide film in 8x10 large format over the years, and there are more than a handful situations where color neg film would have saved the day. High-contrast situations like Jim's coast image above is one of them. For specular highlights like sun reflections in chrome, color neg is untouchable.
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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Yes, dynamic range is a good point, but I find that I always wind up clipping shadows and highlights anyway! I like contrast -- I think it makes real, as it were. It brings attention to the true subject matter and looks more natural to my eye. Obviously, there are situations where you really want all that shadow detail, but personally I would rather have a gorgeous set of midtones than extreme detail in the highlights and shadows.

    P.S. Thank you Helen! I am glad you like them...Acros is a really wonderful film.
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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    For me, films are/were a pallet that was considered before shooting. I put more thought at the front end with film, back end with digital. Digital seems more about capturing as much detail as possible, will figure out what to do with it later. Didn't have that "later" with film.

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    For those interested, B&H has Ektar 100 in 120 in stock as of today. I just ordered 10 rolls to try it out in the Mamiya 7.

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Brittenson View Post
    For those interested, B&H has Ektar 100 in 120 in stock as of today. I just ordered 10 rolls to try it out in the Mamiya 7.
    Jan, I'd love to see some pictures, hear your thoughts, and if you don't mind your impressions on the image quality of the Mamiya 7/Ektar combo compared with the DMR.

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    here are two from ektar 100 and a mamiya 7 with the 50mm lens..




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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Quote Originally Posted by viablex1 View Post
    here are two from ektar 100 and a mamiya 7 with the 50mm lens..



    Very interesting images.
    In the first image, how much detail is available in the highlights?
    Did you shoot it at ISO 100?
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    sup lars, I don't know as of yet these are the quick and dirty scans from dale labs, I haven't tried to scan on my 9000 as of yet I have some more to send out but it was shot at 100 iso, I will have to scan one and then post it..if I get the time, I am busy buying fotoman cameras right now

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Quote Originally Posted by viablex1 View Post
    here are two from ektar 100 and a mamiya 7 with the 50mm lens..
    Wow, that looks great!

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    Re: Kodak to offer Ektar 100 in 120.

    Nice images!
    That 50mm on the Mamiya is impressive too!

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