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    Smile 120 Scanning

    Want to start scanning at home. Seems the Nikon 9000 is the best, but not manufactured any more. New ones at ScanDig for approx. $14,000. Scan Dig feels the next best is the Braun FS 120. B&H price $1,999. For you that do home scanning I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Thank you and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    Wait for a better deal on a Nikon Coolscan 9000 to come along ;-p I haven't followed the market lately but they used to be in the $2000 range so that is quite an appreciation.

    Hasselblad/Imacons would be a strong alternative to the Coolscan 9000. Different style of working, larger footprint.

    If you are new to scanning I strongly suggest starting with an Epson flatbed to learn with and see if you are disposed to the workflow. Even if you do get a better scanner the flatbed will be useful later for quickly proofing, scanning entire rolls in one swoop, etc. You want a model with 8x10 transparency capability, basically a light box built into the top lid. The differences between the latest Epson and one from 10 years ago are minor and mostly marketing lingo.

    If you really dig in you'll find that you could probably get into a nice drum scanner for less money than the Coolscan or Imacon but that becomes almost a lifestyle change....

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    Thank you, Frankly

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    My solution is use http://www.agximaging.com for $12.50 scans on a Hasselblad X5

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    The Epson V750 is very good.

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    There is Coolscan 9000 for sale in the classifieds for $2300. That's a $11,700 savings!

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    I haven't listed mine yet, but I have a SuperCoolscan 9000 ED going up for sale. It's complete in the original box and I also have the ANR glass carrier for it. Excellent condition. PM me with a reasonable offer and we can negotiate... :-)

    If I were intent on making prints larger than 11x17 or 13x19, I wouldn't sell it. But I haven't made a print bigger than 11x17" in several years and for that a copy camera setup is more convenient for my 120*film, 6x6cm format needs.

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    I know that price I got from ScanDig is way out of line. There has been a new one on ebay for maybe two years for $4500 obo.
    Nikon tells me they do not do anything, with any scanner anymore.

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    I am extremely satisfied with my Plustek OpticFilm 120 which is indeed a very good and capable scanner.
    In my opinion ScanDig are not very reliable reviewers of scanners, I have got far better performance from
    my scanner than the sample ScanDig reviewed. What I can deduce from technical specifications and ScanDig
    reviews of Braun and Reflecta (PacificImage) I would never buy them. I have serious concerns that someone
    buying Braun or Reflecta gets inferior performance.

    My 5 cents.
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    Re: 120 Scanning

    Although I have scanned colour negative and slide film, for the most part I scan Ilford FP4 and HP5 for printing on an Epson 3880. So my experience is really about B&W scanning from 120 negs.

    I have a couple of Polaroid Sprintscan 120s which I bought in the mid 1990s - now obsolete but still working with Firewire (now via firewire/thunderbolt cable) and Mac OSX 10.6.8 which I keep on bootable external disk - using Silverfast Studio - can't remember off hand which version. They and the Nikon Coolscans were, at the time, considered to be the best of the rest of the domestic scanners - i.e. excluding the hugely expensive Hasselblad scanners.

    They still work but over the years I have had scans done on high end Hasselblad scanners, a couple of hugely expensive professional drum scans and a lot from an Epson v850 flat bed.

    There is no doubt that the expensive drum scans were better than all of the rest. The Hasselblad X1 and X5 came second (and very little difference between the two). That is when viewed at 100% on a screen. But here I run the risk of heresy. As regards the quality of prints from well exposed negatives, there is really very little difference in the prints between the Polaroid, Hasselblad and Epson scans when viewed from a reasonable distance (I print A3+ and A2). If you want to try and emulate Ansel Adams with the maximum range from Zone 0 to Zone 10 with maximum shadow detail then probably you are going to want to go as high end as you can afford. (But then again will your digital printer really produce the goods?) But for what I do - slightly contrasty with as deep blacks as I can get, moderate shadow detail and smooth highlights - there really isn't a dramatic difference.

    $14k for new Nikon Coolscan seems absurd (when new the Polaroids were c2,000). Are you going to be able to get it serviced or repaired? Almost certainly not. For that money you could pick up new Flextight X1 with change or a 2nd Hand X5. Yes they are still Firewire but work with Macs on the firewire/thunderbolt.

    However I would suggest you look at the Epson v800 - 1/4 of the price of the Braun (of which I know nothing). Then look at what your ultimate goal is and decide if you want to spend a lot more money to get to where you want to go.

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    Also good to consider using a digital camera to rephotograph the film.

    This can be done crudely with a simple light box or even a tablet computer or phone (there are lightbox emulation applications). Just steady your macro lens and bang away.

    And people with slide copying or copy stand photography equipment can do it a bit better and more consistently... Also Nikon has introduced a ~ $100 stage for 35mm film and slides, the new D850 can automatically invert color negatives.

    At the high end some people build dedicated stitching rigs that allow multiple frames to be shot along the X and Y axis, you can also stack exposures like HDR, and combine everything together on your computer. This is the new ultimate, surpassing even the best drum scans in theory (but rarely in practice!)

    There are many internet threads and many potential products in development related to this. No company is going to manufacture any new scanner but they may make something in this area.

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    Personally, I would never have space to maintain a convenient repro setup or have time to focus/calibrate it. I want an old school scanner that I can fire up with the press of a button. Of course I have to wait for the scanner to scan, and that is not fast, but worth the wait. My Plustek OpticFilm 120 scans a strip of 6x8 (2 frames) or 645 (4 frames) in about 15-20 minutes (with a Mac Mini 2009 edition).

    Then I have an old Epson V700 that I started with and now this is dedicated to LF sheet film only. However, I can recommend the Epsons as starter solutions. They take several strips (V700 and V750) that makes scanning speedy - let the machine do the job and enjoy some coffee. The results aren't tack sharp as a film scanner, but calibrating the height is pretty easy and the resulting scans quite usable.

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    I'm a little amazed that no one has even enquired or made an offer on my Nikon SuperCoolscan 9000. All it takes is to send me a PM. Oh well, it'll probably go to Ebay and sell for more than it's really worth. I don't mind.

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    Re: 120 Scanning

    Quote Originally Posted by godfrey View Post
    i'm a little amazed that no one has even enquired or made an offer on my nikon supercoolscan 9000. All it takes is to send me a pm. Oh well, it'll probably go to ebay and sell for more than it's really worth. I don't mind.

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    $14k!

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