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Jack
28th January 2011, 19:46
Hi folks,

Guy and I met with Kevin Raber from PhaseOne today to get our first look at the new Phase IQ180, 80 MP digital MF back. What we're going to do is start by tossing a few images up for you to get a closer look at, then add images and discussion points going forward. Keep in mind this is a first look at a new back, and the model we shot with is one of two prototype units in existence. As such, final specs will likely be tweaked and altered, so all of the usual disclaimers apply -- this is meant as nothing more than a glimpse into what we might expect when the actual production units hit dealer shelves. We also do not have a final set of profiles yet either, so color is a tad off. For consistency, we used a WB of 5000/0 for all of the images. The images were processed in C1 v6.1, and had light capture sharpening applied.

This first shot is of a power plant about 1/4 mile away, taken with the phase 150/f2.8 lens at f11. First full image and then crop area:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/iq180_powerplant_full_1185.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/pp_crop_623404.jpg

Next image is of a condemned building interior, taken with the Phase 28mm lens also at f11. Here the C1 lens corrections were applied as well:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/iq180_ruins_full_1121.jpg
http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/ruins_crop.jpg

Guy Mancuso
28th January 2011, 19:56
Just wanted to chime in here also about this hands on demo via some video. As we talk about the back it should be noted many features are at this time are not available and things will be added and updated. Some important features to come Live View, Focus Mask, Artificial Horizon ( both roll and pitch). What we did want to bring to the table at this prototype stage is it has some serious impact on IQ . The interface as you will see is nothing short of amazing and will get even better on production release.

I am loading this on You Tube but for right now we have this Movie
for everyone just to get a idea on the interface. Get popcorn out its 10 minutes and we could have gone on longer.:watch:

This is a must see

U-Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GYKfT0jvec

Jack
28th January 2011, 20:12
Also want to add a general comment regarding file quality and traits. It is clear that the extra 20MP over my P65+ back do translate into meaningful additional image information. (It is worth noting that if you crop the IQ180 file to a square, it will still be 60MP!) To be perfectly honest, I did not really expect this as I was not convinced the Mamiya, Phase or even Schneider lenses were up to utilizing more than the P65+ had to offer, but I was wrong. Every lens we used --- 55LS, 80LS, 110LS, 150D and even the 28D --- made good use of the extra pixels.

I am going to go out on a limb and add that it appears the new sensor also has a bit more DR than the P65+. I would estimate it at around an additional 1/3 stop or maybe a little more just by looking at the files.

Guy Mancuso
28th January 2011, 20:27
Just wanted to add a couple quick shots here also. Here are two nice images that I thought where kind of interesting

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/crop_2.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/church_crop.jpg

Guy Mancuso
28th January 2011, 20:28
Oh wait was just joking those are the crops here are the real images. LOL

First image shot with the 80 LS and second the 110 LS

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/cf001177.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/cf001105.jpg

Guy Mancuso
28th January 2011, 21:06
Couple shots here showing some detail and DR which I have to agree with Jack looks like images have expanded in the DR range which is quite interesting with this new sensor.

Both images are shot with the 80mm LS . If you want to see images 3000 pixels wide go to this link click the thumbnail than click the preview image to expand to 3000 pixels wide.

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/browseimages.php?c=289

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001157.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001166.jpg

JSK Rangefinder
28th January 2011, 22:21
Guy i love the setup with those two crops posted first and then the next post with full frame :)

compared to Leaf Aptus 12 whois images are impressive but at close inspection 100% crops IMO the fine detail kind of looks slightly mushy compared to these IQ180 images that you guys posted..

perhaps Leaf Capture renders differently compared to C1..

not sure if you guys spend enough time with Leaf Aptus 12 but if you did..
do you guys see any such difference?

I don't really have any more excuses after three years of torture.. the resistance is finally over :ROTFL:


much appreciated to both of you!!! 'cause bottom line is most of us need real world images...

that's what is all about...keep them coming :thumbup:

Ronan
29th January 2011, 01:06
All handheld?

darr
29th January 2011, 01:42
Guy,
What picture is the last enlargement of the doorknob coming from?
I cannot see it in the image above it.

Thanks,
Darr

Terry
29th January 2011, 02:17
Looks good. What about using the large file size on the computer?
Download speed, upload to C1, processing out the jpegs?

Guy Mancuso
29th January 2011, 03:42
C1 on MBP full res. 16bit 428 final tiff. 26 seconds which is quite good.

cly
29th January 2011, 04:10
Guy and Jack,

thanks a lot for the great video on the interface of the IQ!

I have two questions:

- histogram: if you have the image on the left and the small histogram on the right, can you zoom into the image and get a histogram of this particular part of the image? or is what you see in the small window on the right always the histogram of the entire image?

- white balance: has Phase implemented a way to set a custom WB in the field (as in the leaf backs) - you have your grey card, you take a picture, touch the grey card in the image, and you are set for all subsequent images?

Chris

Jack
29th January 2011, 04:45
not sure if you guys spend enough time with Leaf Aptus 12 but if you did..
do you guys see any such difference?


Sorry Rangefinder, neither of us has had an opportunity to shoot with the A12. However, they are the same sensor, so theoretically they should be able to achieve the same net level of detail and DR. But then physical factors such as criticality of alignment, rigidity, vibration from chosen cooling systems, etc, all come into play.

Hopefully we'll get to demo one one of these days, however I'd have to admit to already being spoiled :D All joking aside, I see the Phase <> Leaf relationship as offering their customers three distinct options in high-resolution digital imaging: 1) The Leaf series with state of the art sensor, but without sensor plus, at attractive base pricing; 2) the P+ series adding a more robust and weather-sealed casing along with sensor plus for those who want that; and 3) the new IQ series with the new tech in the LCD for those who regularly want to work un-tethered. (Keep in mind that for a photographer that shoots primarily in the studio tethered to a large monitor, these new rear LCD technologies are not all that compelling -- the real benefit, at least IMHO, to the new LCD and UI tech is for field shooters like myself.)

Jack
29th January 2011, 04:52
All handheld?

Uh, no. :ROTFL:

Jack
29th January 2011, 04:53
Guy,
What picture is the last enlargement of the doorknob coming from?
I cannot see it in the image above it.

Thanks,
Darr

Hi Darr,

That was just a full-frame capture downsized for web view on it's own, no detail crop from it shared. That image and the one above are in direct Sun, and while difficult to convey on the web via a jpeg, you can see surprising detail in the heavy shadows behind the bright features.

Jack
29th January 2011, 04:59
Guy and Jack,

thanks a lot for the great video on the interface of the IQ!

I have two questions:

- histogram: if you have the image on the left and the small histogram on the right, can you zoom into the image and get a histogram of this particular part of the image? or is what you see in the small window on the right always the histogram of the entire image?

- white balance: has Phase implemented a way to set a custom WB in the field (as in the leaf backs) - you have your grey card, you take a picture, touch the grey card in the image, and you are set for all subsequent images?

Chris

Re Histo: Excellent question, and I don't have the answer -- I never pulled the histo up on a zoom. Kevin is testing the back with another reviewer today, so I have emailed him and asked him to check that. However, realize that if you are in split-screen view and double-tap to go to 100%, the split histo view goes away and is replaced by the 100% crop. Now, what happens if we call the histo up after going to 100% view, I don't know, and that's what I've asked Kevin to check. again, great question!

Re WB: actually all my Phase backs since the P45+ had that feature, and would hold up to three custom WB settings.

Terry
29th January 2011, 05:04
The speed of the back is astonishing.

I just think about the way I shoot right now. I generally want to see the histogram and then to check focus. Moving from the histo to the to image review, then to the desired spot and magnify is a lot of button presses and still isn't great at the third level of zoom.

With the new back the histo and highlight clipping already showing and then a simple double tap for 100%......I'm drooling.

Jack
29th January 2011, 05:07
Re C1 v6.1 speed. First off, C1 file processing times are affected significantly by what adjustments get applied during conversion. For example, adding lens corrections and spot removal add significantly to the processing time over not having those on. I did find C1 V6.1 notably faster on my MBP (2.66 core i7 with 8GB RAM and SSD.) I also found that the net time to spit out a 16-bit 80MP (~480MB) file was not notably different than when I do a 60MP P65+ file -- which I found interesting. If there is interest, I can do some actual benchmarks on my machines later next week. Suffice it to say, I used my MBP to output 16-bit tiffs for all the shots shown so far and it handled them totally fine without any hiccups, even with CS5 open at the same time to extract the 100% crops.

Guy Mancuso
29th January 2011, 05:48
About speed of system . About the only part that actually took a pause was when shooting and initial review of image maybe 2 seconds. Now given this is a prototype the engine most likely is not optimized yet and also the CF cards being used. The fastest card used was a Sandisk Extreme which is 60mg read/write not any of the faster cards on the market. Everything else in the IU was extremely fast and rendered almost immediately. You do see a slight rendering going on with the double tap to 100 percent this will also take into account the type of card in back. Even so for a prototype is was amazing and we have to realize we are talking a 80 mpx image going through this process. If you go back to the you tube video and watch how fast the IU is going on different functions it's very fast.

What I can't describe in our writings here is how much a game changer this really is. It is not even close to thinking it is just a new LCD display. After some use you can't imagine going back. This is coming back to a need not a want. LOL

Guy Mancuso
29th January 2011, 05:50
One other note we have been processing on laptops and pretty amazed how fast C1 is rocking these images out.

thomas
29th January 2011, 06:05
Re WB: actually all my Phase backs since the P45+ had that feature, and would hold up to three custom WB settings.I think "cly" refers to a different feature on the Leaf backs. On the Leaf you can click on the LCD with a pen and the actual image then will be white balanced (you can click for instance on a captured grey card or on any "neutral" area in the image). This setting is then applied as WB preset for the subsequent captures. Cool feature!

In the video you said you can set the target values for highlight warning in the histogram (so Capture One style). Do you know whether Phase will also implement a tool to set the threshold of the focus mask?

Jack
29th January 2011, 06:15
In the video you said you can set the target values for highlight warning in the histogram (so Capture One style). Do you know whether Phase will also implement a tool to set the threshold of the focus mask?

Thanks for the clarification on what cly's question was -- I do not know. I don't know the answer to your above question either as not all of the bells and whistles were fully implemented in the prototype back yet. One would expect similar implementation as C1 though.

cly
29th January 2011, 07:07
I think "cly" refers to a different feature on the Leaf backs. On the Leaf you can click on the LCD with a pen and the actual image then will be white balanced (you can click for instance on a captured grey card or on any "neutral" area in the image). This setting is then applied as WB preset for the subsequent captures. Cool feature!


thanks thomas, this is what I had in mind. I think if you want to use a custom WB on the P40+ or P45+, you set the WB in C1 and then upload it to the back. So it's only possible when working tethered.

Chris

kdphotography
29th January 2011, 07:07
Nice initial look at the Phase One IQ180, Jack and Guy. I think you just about brought out the enabler in everyone.

ken

Jack
29th January 2011, 07:51
thanks thomas, this is what I had in mind. I think if you want to use a custom WB on the P40+ or P45+, you set the WB in C1 and then upload it to the back. So it's only possible when working tethered.

Chris

Cly, to clarify with the P backs, you can shoot a gray card and use that file directly in the back to set a custom WB. You can then store and save 3 such custom WB's for use.

Jack
29th January 2011, 07:52
Nice initial look at the Phase One IQ180, Jack and Guy. I think you just about brought out the enabler in everyone.

ken

Coming from you, that's really saying something!

:ROTFL:

Jack
29th January 2011, 08:01
Okay, was looking though the files and found something interesting to share. For this shot, I pointed at the guy on the mast and AF'd, then recomposed and captured this frame:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/iq180_moirefull_1186.jpg

Now look at the crop of the man working. Note first I had to blur his face out in CS because he was totally recognizable and we clearly did not get a signed release. Second, note that he is well over 100 yards away on that mast, which is swaying back and forth slowly as he works. This shot is captured with the 150D at f11:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/moire_crop.jpg

If you look at his pants, you can see moire. So we have moire in a swatch of fabric shot on a worker that is about 150 yards distant. If you understand what moire is and what causes it, then you should understand my incredulity with this finding.

Guy Mancuso
29th January 2011, 08:04
As moire is usually perceived as a negative, in reality for this image it is a sort of credit to the sensor, lens and total combined imaging system.

Guy Mancuso
29th January 2011, 08:16
Going back the You Tube video, you will see we did a little product shot. In a normal situation, we would most likely be shooting tethered to check focus, layout, WB, exposure and blown highlights. Now with this new LCD it was very easy to view image layout along with histo and check blown highlights on the LCD. That eliminated the need (at least for me) to being tethered. With just a few taps on the LCD I can judge histo and blown highlights using the side panel icons, then with quick a quick tap go to 100% or more to judge focus and scroll to the area to check focus not mentioning area to check for layout design issues, just as you would on a computer doing it tethered. We found this very intuitive compared to what we are used to with our Plus backs. These images clearly represent what we saw on the LCD as we were shooting. I did do a Color Checker on a previous shot brought my WB over from it to this image. I focused on the 1:3.5 on the Leica lens for this shot, it was the 110 LS at f12 and you can see the shallow DoF:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001223.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/crop.jpg

Jack
29th January 2011, 08:27
And yes, that really was Sonny Bono's Leica IIIF!

Guy Mancuso
29th January 2011, 08:47
Some artsy fartsy shots with the 28mmD lens.

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001128.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001127.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001126.jpg

Jack
29th January 2011, 08:54
Bicycle Bokeh, the 110LS at f2.8:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/iq180_bicycle_bokeh_1190.jpg

Paul Spinnler
29th January 2011, 09:11
Hey guys, thanks for the informative pictures!

My observation: The files seem exceptionally clean at 100%. Noise is almost completely imperceptible on the product shot close-up of the leica camera. Do you think there's a difference compared to the Aptus 12? Maybe due to the different circuitry?

Or is it just Capture One 6.1?

jlm
29th January 2011, 09:24
i know you didn't see the production model, but what is your expectation for live view?

Guy Mancuso
29th January 2011, 10:44
Hi Paul and John great questions and lets see if we can capture your questions here. I delayed my trip home so still in SF with Jack and we have been discussing these type of questions this morning. First Live View and we have to say not so sure how valuable that tool really is at this point given the control of this LCD and UI. In the past obviously seeing what is going on has been a challenge given the current LCD situation with all the backs. Here I view this technology more as shoot and make adjustments as you go since we tend to do that anyway OR we rely on Viewefinders, E-modules and other tools hanging off the tech cams to help . Today with the IQ backs we have real visibility on what we are doing as we shoot. Besides histo and highlight control so available on screen the 100 percent (to 400%) zoom really do increase usability along with scrolling features.

Lets imagine the tech cam shot at the moment we take all the extra stuff like finders and such off the cam itself. With new features like Artificial horizon tool which will first set horizontal and vertical with pitch and roll and getting the back lined up and square (Ergo just replaced the cube somewhat). Than lets say basically aim the cam in the direction you need and take a quick shot. Okay here you can evaluate several things right off the bat, your framing for one, histo, highlight control, focus and such. Now here maybe the one place where I see live view has a place that makes some sense and it would be in only the framing side since the LCD can answer all the other issues most likely a lot better like critical focus, exposure and highlight control.

So I see the value of live view much less a need since we have these other controls that will answer our issues much easier than before. So our conclusion on live view is simply this the only major advantage at this point with this tech is coming down to framing initially. But let me address it also like this as well you may take 1 image make adjustment than take another and treat the process more like shooting a Polaroid and getting your adjustments in order for the final image. Now one may say this takes time but are we not doing that anyway and can save some time in loading all the hardware on the cam anyway to figure those kinds of tools anyway. I take it down to saving buying those sliding backs, viewfinders and exposure tools and tossing them out the window and not using them anymore. We now could go out with the basic kit of back, tech cam and lens, and with the LCD UI controls we can work much better and smoother without those hardware tools and also maybe avoid relying on live view as much.

What is the interesting part here and we realize no one has tried this yet but after you work with it some your thoughts turn to this is so efficient some things like Live view as we thought where so important become less of a need than we thought.

Now the one tool which we did not have which even with the zoom 100-400 percent feature is the focus mask maybe a really nice tool to confirm maybe a little better visually to us the confirmation of focus but more in the area's where the TILT of lens was applied and see that without scrolling to it at 100 percent. So the reality there maybe you see full screen exactly where the focus mask is landing on screen and giving you a quick confirmation that you nailed it. This is something I look forward seeing implemented on final production.

Little change in topic and this is the part that is scaring Jack and I as we both have said to each other we would take this back TODAY even with the prototype warts, and some stuff not fully implemented yet. The LCD UI implementation to us has really shown us how much better the workability of this back is today even without those added features not loaded, like the Artificial Horizon, Live view and focus mask yet to come.

What I just wrote is pretty much the heart of this review for me. We all know much to well this is REAL money we are talking about and we'll all have to pay to get in the door. While it's painful I've already decided I want one, and the next step is working it all into my personal budget.

Jack
29th January 2011, 10:46
Hey guys, thanks for the informative pictures!

My observation: The files seem exceptionally clean at 100%. Noise is almost completely imperceptible on the product shot close-up of the leica camera. Do you think there's a difference compared to the Aptus 12? Maybe due to the different circuitry?

Or is it just Capture One 6.1?

Yes, it is exceptionally clean -- cleaner than my P65+ using the same minimal settings in C1, and this isn't even a final production back! To answer, I honestly don't know, never worked with the Aptus 12 or Leaf Capture. But my guess for the Phase is it's mostly how they design their backs to integrate so well with C1, not either-or but both, if that makes sense.

Jack
29th January 2011, 10:53
John,

My .02 on Live View: I view it (haha) as a feature, and certainly nice to have, but not a prime necessity for my style of shooting for basically the same reasons Guy just spelled out. The reality for me is that with the new 100% review being so darn good, LV becomes more of a framing and composition tool than it is a critical image (p)review tool. In that, it could replace a somewhat expensive VF for a tech camera, and as Guy also mentioned, the other new UI features may have eliminated the need for associated tech-cam hardware like sliding backs, GG's and laser RF's for many tech shooters.

jlm
29th January 2011, 11:00
Thanks guys.

my use for LV would also be framing, but maybe for accurate focus; reading right off the sensor would be cool with this kind of LCD

Jack
29th January 2011, 14:21
I have two questions:

- histogram: if you have the image on the left and the small histogram on the right, can you zoom into the image and get a histogram of this particular part of the image? or is what you see in the small window on the right always the histogram of the entire image?

- white balance: has Phase implemented a way to set a custom WB in the field (as in the leaf backs) - you have your grey card, you take a picture, touch the grey card in the image, and you are set for all subsequent images?

Chris

Histo: The answer is no, the histo on the back remains for the full image regardless. The reason for this is that if the whole histo is good, then anything inside it will be within the ability of C1 to adjust it up or down to any level you want. You DO of course get the histo for your crop view when in C1, and so can fine tweak after the fact.

WB: I did confirm what I said earlier, the new back will have the same three spaces for custom user WB settings. These will be set as they are now, simply by using a gray-card file to set them off of.

Guy Mancuso
29th January 2011, 14:34
Thought we where done ah. Not

Couple images from the 150D at F11 along with some 100 percent crops. This is my lens and one of those out of my dead cold hands deals.

There is no sharpening other than my C1 capture sharpening which is very very light.

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001154.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/crop1.jpg


http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001180.jpg

2 crops from this one

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/crop2.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/crop3.jpg

Terry
29th January 2011, 16:31
Wow, not sure where you found that sunshine yesterday but it was cold and dreary in Palo Alto the whole day. For anyone not familiar with the bay area we can have completely different weather (micro climates) in areas very close to one another.

bensonga
29th January 2011, 16:38
Sure glad I don't have $43k burning a hole in my pocket right now.....the quality of these images is sure impressive! Truly amazing.

Gary

PeterL
29th January 2011, 18:32
Thanks for the review Jack and Guy! I ordered the IQ140 yesterday, can't wait....

Cheers, -Peter

Jack
29th January 2011, 20:43
Terry: Indeed, it was dreary until we hit Marina, which was a pleasant surprise.

Gary: Thanks for the kind words, it is incredible image quality for sure.

Peter: welcome to GetDPI and congrats on your order!

goesbang
29th January 2011, 23:17
Also want to add a general comment regarding file quality and traits. It is clear that the extra 20MP over my P65+ back do translate into meaningful additional image information. (It is worth noting that if you crop the IQ180 file to a square, it will still be 60MP!) To be perfectly honest, I did not really expect this as I was not convinced the Mamiya, Phase or even Schneider lenses were up to utilizing more than the P65+ had to offer, but I was wrong. Every lens we used --- 55LS, 80LS, 110LS, 150D and even the 28D --- made good use of the extra pixels.

I am going to go out on a limb and add that it appears the new sensor also has a bit more DR than the P65+. I would estimate it at around an additional 1/3 stop or maybe a little more just by looking at the files.

Jack, the whole reason that Phase has invested so much in the new lenses is that they were aware of what new sensors were in the pipeline, and more importantly, they were aware that Blads lenses are mostly already at their performance limits. As such, the new lenses are in a sense future proofed.
Claus Molgaard was also at pains to point out that the IQ180 has in fact got extended DR. I neglected to ask him if this was hardware or software driven.
If you get the chance, run some P40+ or P65+ files through C1Pro 6.1 and that might give us some clues as to whether the DR is software driven.

Cheers,

GrahamWelland
29th January 2011, 23:24
Guy/Jack,

Could you describe the auto virtual horizon/tilt feature? Obviously today we have the horizon display/beep on the P+ backs - is this new feature correcting/cropping a skewed image in camera? Not sure if you discussed this in the video or not but I'm on an iPad in Europe right now & download rate challenged so haven't been able to watch it in full yet.

Thanks!

goesbang
29th January 2011, 23:50
Little change in topic and this is the part that is scaring Jack and I as we both have said to each other we would take this back TODAY even with the prototype warts, and some stuff not fully implemented yet. The LCD UI implementation to us has really shown us how much better the workability of this back is today even without those added features not loaded, like the Artificial Horizon, Live view and focus mask yet to come.

What I just wrote is pretty much the heart of this review for me. We all know much to well this is REAL money we are talking about and we'll all have to pay to get in the door. While it's painful I've already decided I want one, and the next step is working it all into my personal budget.

Guy, I'm guessing the helmet's not going to help much. As such, I can offer you the spare bunk at my place so you can stay low until "She who must be appeased" has calmed down.....:LOL:

Georg Baumann
30th January 2011, 01:09
Thanks a lot Jack and Guy for posting these.

You did not say what ISO you were using, I assume you used base ISO on all shots? Did you shoot higher ISO as well?

Did you try sensor + on higher ISO as well?

Christopher
30th January 2011, 02:28
What is Base iso on the IQ180? 50 ? What is the aptus 12 Wanst it something like 80?

cmb_
30th January 2011, 04:14
IQ180: 50-800 and 200-3200 in Sensor+
AptusII 12: 50-800

Braeside
30th January 2011, 04:41
Some artsy fartsy shots with the 28mmD lens.

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001128.jpg

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Guy your need to get some work done on that bathroom rather than spend more $$$K on camera gear, :eek:

Christopher
30th January 2011, 04:42
Must have eben something Else :)

Braeside
30th January 2011, 04:45
Now look at the crop of the man working. Note first I had to blur his face out in CS because he was totally recognizable and we clearly did not get a signed release.

Why would you need a release for a photo that is not used for commercial use Jack? Surely this is just editorial, no?

Impressive quality though, wow!

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 05:16
Little change in topic and this is the part that is scaring Jack and I as we both have said to each other we would take this back TODAY even with the prototype warts, and some stuff not fully implemented yet. The LCD UI implementation to us has really shown us how much better the workability of this back is today even without those added features not loaded, like the Artificial Horizon, Live view and focus mask yet to come.

What I just wrote is pretty much the heart of this review for me. We all know much to well this is REAL money we are talking about and we'll all have to pay to get in the door. While it's painful I've already decided I want one, and the next step is working it all into my personal budget.

Guy, I'm guessing the helmet's not going to help much. As such, I can offer you the spare bunk at my place so you can stay low until "She who must be appeased" has calmed down.....:LOL:[/QUOTE]

Got home late last night and just getting unpacked and see if I can answer some questions here. I mentioned the cost and the back and got no way Jose. LOL That will change though otherwise a trip to Dubai maybe in order. LOL

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 05:16
Guy your need to get some work done on that bathroom rather than spend more $$$K on camera gear, :eek:

Tell me about it. :ROTFL::ROTFL::ROTFL:

Woody Campbell
30th January 2011, 05:21
These look terrific - thanks for posting. f-stop values? Corner crops?

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 05:26
Jack, the whole reason that Phase has invested so much in the new lenses is that they were aware of what new sensors were in the pipeline, and more importantly, they were aware that Blads lenses are mostly already at their performance limits. As such, the new lenses are in a sense future proofed.
Claus Molgaard was also at pains to point out that the IQ180 has in fact got extended DR. I neglected to ask him if this was hardware or software driven.
If you get the chance, run some P40+ or P65+ files through C1Pro 6.1 and that might give us some clues as to whether the DR is software driven.

Cheers,

The DR is differently there no question and being on the conservative side at least 1/3 but more likely 1/2 no the problem is we did not even bother to pull out the P65 and P40 are you kidding who would want to with that monster. LOL

Anyway since it is in prototype stage and still being tweaked in firmware test like that we are going to wait for a final production unit since a lot could change for the better . Also high ISO shots we did not take like we did not with the prototype of the P65 and same here they tend to wait for the last minute on the high ISO implementation towards the final production version.

The prototype was nice but missing a lot of functions still and power management was not turned on yet as well so we ate batteries like crazy. Now all that will get fixed and run in normal modes soon so Phase will want us to run more tests as things get implemented.

We did give them all the raws we shot as well so they can analyze the files for any anomaly's .

Woody Campbell
30th January 2011, 09:12
Looking forward to more tests from with the definitive backs.

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 09:51
Yes it will be very interesting to run it at full bore of all it's parts.

One thing i will say and Phase could not comment on any of there road map plans but the company seems financial healthy for one they are pushing the tech envelope and want to grow there business and bring on new product. I find that part very encouraging as a end user. Guess the bottom line is they have real plans.

Jack
30th January 2011, 09:54
You ask, we try and deliver :). Here are corner crops from the power plant shot posted earlier. Again, these were shot at f11 with the 150D lens from about 1/4 mile distant at base ISO of 50. However in the lower corner crops, you can see some elements at much closer distances of around 100 yards. Lower Left, Lower Right and then Upper Right areas:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/pp_crop_ll.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/pp_crop_lr.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/pp_crop_ur.jpg

Here's the original full frame for convenience:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/iq180_powerplant_full_1185.jpg

Jack
30th January 2011, 10:01
Now here is your noise fix, I shot a few when nobody was looking :D. Keep in mind this was a prototype back AND it is doubtful the back has been tweaked fully for noise yet. All in all not too shabby if you ask me, but I fully expect the production backs will be even better. I personally feel the PhaseOne engineering team is making a very impressive showing here of their capabilities...:

First the image. This room was in shadow and taken with the 80LS at f11, 1/30th with full and Sensor+ ISO800 frame crops from the Left edge of frame:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/iq180_noise_full_1163.jpg

Here is the full 80MP frame crop at ISO800 -- this is an 80MP back folks!:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/iso800_crop.jpg

Here is the same area from ISO800 S+ 20MP crop:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/plus800_.jpg

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 10:04
Someone asked if i shot any handheld well I did not all successful but that was me but i did nail one with the 150 at F4 ISO 50. ISO 50 is not always a normal ISO for me mostly use ISO 100 but no matter I pulled one off but not a work of art actually none of this is. They are test shots. LOL

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001200.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/untitled-1.jpg

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 10:05
Now here is your noise fix, I shot a few when nobody was looking :D. Keep in mind this was a prototype back AND it is doubtful the back has been tweaked fully for noise yet. All in all not too shabby if you ask me, but I fully expect the production backs will be even better. I do believe the PhaseOne engineering team is making an impressive showing here with their capabilities:

First the image. This room was in shadow and taken with the 80LS at f11, 1/30th at ISO 800 and S+ 800, crops from the Left edge of frame:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/iq180_noise_full_1163.jpg

Here is the full 80MP frame at ISO 800 Crop:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/iso800_crop.jpg

Here is the same area from S+ 20MP crop, also ISO800:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/plus800_.jpg

Sneaky. :D Yea looks like Sensor Plus is on target at least

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 10:15
Okay I lied nailed another one handheld at F4 with the 150

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/crop5.jpg

and the Full frame

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001195.jpg

Woody Campbell
30th January 2011, 10:21
You ask, we try and deliver :). Here are corner crops from the power plant shot posted earlier. Again, these were shot at f11 with the 150D lens from about 1/4 mile distant at base ISO of 50. However in the lower corner crops, you can see some elements at much closer distances of around 100 yards. Lower Left, Lower Right and then Upper Right areas:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/pp_crop_ll.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/pp_crop_lr.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/pp_crop_ur.jpg

Here's the original full frame for convenience:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/iq180_powerplant_full_1185.jpg

Interesting. The 5.5 micron chip is clearly not oversampling the lens in the center, but is in the corner (this shows most clearly on the upper right where focus is probably not an issue) but I would guess that 100% res on the screen (as opposed to printing on paper) is the only way you would see it.

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 10:28
It maybe slightly out of focus also as I watched Jack shoot this he was pointed up towards the power plant and maybe focus got thrown slightly at that corner. He certainly was not square to it since we where below it.

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 10:30
I have to run but maybe Jack can show a more squared on image for all the corners

Jack
30th January 2011, 10:37
Guy is correct. First off, my focus point was the mass of piping center frame. I am facing the plant at a quartering angle and slightly up, so the LH side is closer than the RH side. Moreover, the first stack is probably another 100 yards or so behind the plant and well beyond the actual focus point.

And yes, with 10,328x7,760 pixels at 72DPI screen resolution, these 100% view crops are like sticking our noses in a 9 FOOT tall by 12 FOOT wide (or nearly a 3 meter x 4 meter) print -- !!! Cut that down to a 360 PPI print, and I doubt you'll be worrying about it ;)

PS: This 5.5u sensor is definitely going to push most MF lens designs well beyond their limits. However, I remain totally impressed with how the Phase lenses all held up, even if only in the central 2/3rds area. Still allows us to make good use of those extra pixels.

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 10:52
Okay I lied nailed another one handheld at F4 with the 150


I'm quoting myself here but I am going to go on record here and just say it my P40+ cannot get that level of detail at that distance with a crop like that. I could get close but not this kind of detail. I'm floored

Thats like a portrait at 10 ft Full Frame with any 35mm out there

archivue
30th January 2011, 13:29
is it me or...
it looks extremely sharp, but in term of color rendition, it looks really digital compare to an aptus 22 for exemple... i've feel the same when i was looking to a P65+ file !

in a way, it's not really sensual... it reminds me the old days when i was comparing slides shoot with zeiss lenses versus japanese ones...

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 14:53
I would not judge color rendition at this point. The files tend to be red and Phase is still tweaking that along with a multitude of other things. Might be seeing a little bit of jpeg compression as well.

PeterA
30th January 2011, 15:11
I guess we will have to wait for finished versions of the back to see how colour works. The resolution is impressive for those that need it I guess.

The standout 'hook' for me is the user interface - wondering why no Hy6/Afi mount..since Leaf do one...

ustein
30th January 2011, 15:29
>it looks extremely sharp, but in term of color rendition, it looks really digital compare to an aptus 22 for exemple

Is this the back or the software and profiles? Did you try Aptus 22 files in Capture One?

Guy Mancuso
30th January 2011, 19:57
I'm going to try some different capture sharpening in the morning. It's at pre-sharpen 1 which works nice on the P 40 but given this 80mpx it maybe too much and looks a touch brittle. So I will play around with some samples and see what we come up with in that regards. One thing of note is the 150 2.8 D lens which I would consider more clinical in look than character like the new 110 LS. Look at this first shot if church very sharp but has a nice look to it. With this sensor we may want to think more critical on lens selection and look your after. This sensor has a load of detail in it so maybe taking this more into account now than we are used to doing today with current backs. So I will try a couple different processing and see if we can tame things down.

Guy Mancuso
31st January 2011, 06:16
Okay going back into C1 I found a slight error on my part and reason this image looked a little brittle I had my Clarity at Plus 8 which would cause this look. So I did several things as you will see in the images and clearly marked. So here is the full image but I do believe a reduced setting in Presharpening 1 is the answer and zero clarity but that maybe personal opinion. So again here is the full image.

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/full_image.jpg

Now this was what I originally posted

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/pre_sharp_1_8_clarity.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/presharp_no_clar.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/no_sharp__no_clarity.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/no_sharpening_clarity-7.jpg

Guy Mancuso
31st January 2011, 06:18
As you can see some of the changes to the file . Now given this is a prototype all this can change but it is acting different than my P40+. Just needs less capture sharpening and just need to fine tune to taste. But yes the file can be smoother than what i originally posted.

Now I kind of like this one Pre Sharpening 1 reduced to amount 64 radius .9 and threshold .8 with clarity at -2. Now we should stop right here as well and say we will sharpen much differently sometimes between a landscape and a portrait as we obviously will want less in the portraits. I think we need to remember i am doing this by the 100 percent crop look as well. Obviously lots of variables and we will explore this again on a final production unit

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/untitled-1_834120.jpg

cly
31st January 2011, 07:35
The reality for me is that with the new 100% review being so darn good, LV becomes more of a framing and composition tool than it is a critical image (p)review tool. In that, it could replace a somewhat expensive VF for a tech camera, and as Guy also mentioned, the other new UI features may have eliminated the need for associated tech-cam hardware like sliding backs, GG's and laser RF's for many tech shooters.


Jack, first of all, thanks for the answers to my WB and histogram questions!

Given that the UI and the quality of the new screen opens a totally different, and new, way of working with a tech cam, what do you think about the approach to the focus problem taken by the RM3d? I'm wondering if there is still point in the hassle of working with a disto, usinf the arca lens tables, and transferring of the value to the helicoid - if one has an IQ-back.

Chris

Guy Mancuso
31st January 2011, 08:16
Chris if I may answer with Live view, focus mask and the resolution of the LCD at 100 -400 percent you can flat out throw all that crap out the door. Focusing type may not matter as much given you can go the Polaroid style of shooting in a sense. You can just make adjustments on the fly until you get your final image at least look at it this way you can certainly confirm yourself with the UI. Now Arca focusing most will agree is more accurate so you may not want to give that up or it may not matter as much as you can confirm things much easier now. It's a tough call but for the tech user this thing will rock.

Jack
31st January 2011, 08:36
Jack, first of all, thanks for the answers to my WB and histogram questions!

Given that the UI and the quality of the new screen opens a totally different, and new, way of working with a tech cam, what do you think about the approach to the focus problem taken by the RM3d? I'm wondering if there is still point in the hassle of working with a disto, usinf the arca lens tables, and transferring of the value to the helicoid - if one has an IQ-back.

Chris

Hi Chris:

I think it eliminates the need for a lot of the added hardware we had to have before, but I did not mean to suggest we can throw all caution out the door! I think there is still excellent value in having as many problematic variables out of our way before we begin, and this includes having a focus helical that is properly calibrated. I plan to continue using a dedicated workflow for the added efficiency and consistency it offers. No point in getting sloppy because we have an "instant critical review" LOL! I still want to be able to look at a building, estimate the critical focus point is at xx feet or even laser it if I choose, and then set my focus to where I know it's going to be close on frame one. Now I review, adjust and re-take but only *if necessary*, not because I'll have to. And, I like the idea that I don't need to carry around additional hardware to make a pre-confirmation like I used to to get as close as I could, since I can now make a true post-confirm for 100% certainty instead. Make sense?

LonnaTucker
31st January 2011, 09:13
Thanks for reposting these with less sharpening Guy. These new samples tell me more than the first group posted. I think it's important for all users of software to try their own settings for the equipment that they use. The canned profiles, canned sharpening and other features are not always the best starting point. I do appreciate the fact that C1 allows a user to create their own presets for later use.

As far as tech camera focusing with landscape work, it's easier than you think, especially with wide angle lenses. I carry a Leica Disto, but really only use it occasionally to confirm shorter focusing distances. Confirmation of focus with live view on a better LCD will definitely be appreciated, but with experience over time I think you'll go back to working with the helical mount from memory gained from working experience. Especially with a 35mm-47mm wide at F11 or so, you can "set it and forget it" for many landscape scenes.

Jack
31st January 2011, 09:27
Another hand-held shot. We went through an open gate and were shooting in buildings that were literally falling down, and were frankly surprised they weren't condemned and off limits. Then we had this visitor who advised us the gate had been vandalized and should not have been open, the buildings were condemned and we couldn't be there.

I suggested he arrest Kevin Raber immediately and toss him in jail for a few days, that I'd take care of his possessions until he made bail, but it didn't work :D.

Seriously, he was really great and directed us to another location with similar buildings that had not been condemned yet where we were free to photograph them. (In case there's any question, the "line" is his radio antenna.)

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/officer_web.jpg

Ebe
31st January 2011, 09:30
So.... Guy used the bolt cutters in his trunk?

Guy Mancuso
31st January 2011, 10:12
Don't tell anyone but they worked great too. LOL

Guy Mancuso
31st January 2011, 10:14
Thanks for reposting these with less sharpening Guy. These new samples tell me more than the first group posted. I think it's important for all users of software to try their own settings for the equipment that they use. The canned profiles, canned sharpening and other features are not always the best starting point. I do appreciate the fact that C1 allows a user to create their own presets for later use.

As far as tech camera focusing with landscape work, it's easier than you think, especially with wide angle lenses. I carry a Leica Disto, but really only use it occasionally to confirm shorter focusing distances. Confirmation of focus with live view on a better LCD will definitely be appreciated, but with experience over time I think you'll go back to working with the helical mount from memory gained from working experience. Especially with a 35mm-47mm wide at F11 or so, you can "set it and forget it" for many landscape scenes.

Thanks Lonna and part of it was processing on a laptop which makes it really hard to see what is going on with the files. Now home on my 30 inch NEC i am even more impressed. I am hopelessly falling in love with the whole IQ thing. Damn I thought this would be a year to put money away not spend it. NOT

Guy Mancuso
31st January 2011, 10:16
Another hand-held shot. We went through an open gate and were shooting in buildings that were literally falling down, and were frankly surprised they weren't condemned and off limits. Then we had this visitor who advised us the gate had been vandalized and should not have been open, the buildings were condemned and we couldn't be there.

I suggested he arrest Kevin Raber immediately and toss him in jail for a few days, that I'd take care of his possessions until he made bail, but it didn't work :D.

Seriously, he was really great and directed us to another location with similar buildings that had not been condemned yet where we were free to photograph them. (In case there's any question, the "line" is his radio antenna.)

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/officer_web.jpg

Well first Kevin tried to sell him one. Poor guy had no chance but to be nice to us. :ROTFL::ROTFL::ROTFL:

jlm
31st January 2011, 13:30
do these IQ backs require wake-up cables when used on a tech camera?

BradleyGibson
31st January 2011, 13:39
I suggested he arrest Kevin Raber immediately and toss him in jail for a few days, that I'd take care of his possessions until he made bail, but it didn't work :D.


LOL! I can just imagine Kevin's face!! :D

Guy Mancuso
31st January 2011, 13:51
do these IQ backs require wake-up cables when used on a tech camera?

No you can go to zero latency so you can use without. Although like the P65 it will eat batteries quicker. Or you can use normal latency and save battery but need wake up cable.

etrump
31st January 2011, 18:55
Here is the full 80MP frame crop at ISO800 -- this is an 80MP back folks!:

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/2/iso800_crop.jpg



Pretty impressive, looks close to ISO400 on the P65+ except maybe the darkest area. Probably better if you res'd down to 60MP.

Ronan
31st January 2011, 23:13
Uh, no. :ROTFL:

Hey... one can wish...

Not everyplace lets you walk around with a tripod... :loco:

I'v never liked tripods... even though i own a couple good one's (night photography <3).

Could you share some shutter speed with those photos?

Guy Mancuso
1st February 2011, 02:51
I shot the police officer handheld at 1/50 at F7 with a 110 ISO 50

Couple Misc shots both with the 110mm lens. Might have to buy this lens , has a nice look to it.Both at F11 around 1/60

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001111.jpg

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001108.jpg

Guy Mancuso
1st February 2011, 03:20
Okay I think we want that back now. Ran out of images to process need to go shoot more. LOL

Guy Mancuso
1st February 2011, 05:54
Just got this photo from Kevin so thought I would post it as we had a nice dinner together with Kevin Raber from Phase One and Mark Dubovoy from LuLa Thursday night before we headed out for our tests.

Ronan
1st February 2011, 11:20
Thanks Guy :)

santiago restrepo s
2nd February 2011, 03:23
I have a tv producer and work with the RED ONE camera and scratch
I would buy a 40 IQ phase one
want to print larger and have the best possible image quality
I want to tell me honestly if it's worth the investment
compared with a canon or nikon 24 m
has more dynamic range?
has better picture quality?
or simply need more megapixels?
thank you very much for your reply
greetings
santiago r

Guy Mancuso
2nd February 2011, 03:49
No question about it the Image quality of a MF system will be better over any 35mm system . Bigger is better still holds with digital. I own the P40+ and it is a sweetheart of a back and for most people 40 mpx is enough but all this will come down to what you shoot and how big you print. MF takes special care with technique over 35mm. MF has more DR, IQ and tonal range than anything out there but you will pay a price for it in usability and only you can decide your type of shooting and what will work best for you. They are not typical low light animals without solid support .

This is a question you should start a thread on and describe what type of shooting you will do and folks will help you figure that out if it is right for you.

Guy Mancuso
2nd February 2011, 14:00
Hey just wanted to add for completeness the full data sheet for all three new backs. You can download here:

Dale Allyn
2nd February 2011, 14:48
Thanks, guys. Great info as usual. Love the real world point of view (as usual).

Jack
2nd February 2011, 15:39
Thanks Dale -- that's exactly what we try to deliver!

msadat
3rd February 2011, 06:10
it seems to me that 80 meg either needs a tripod/monpod or IS built in in the camera/lens combo for reliable hand held operations and knowing that u nailed the shot. these will be an issue for older (not young) people.

Guy Mancuso
3rd February 2011, 07:23
I'm old let me just tell ya that right off the bat. If i can nail a handheld shot with a 110mm lens that should be shot at like 1/250 and pull one off at 1/50 either i am damn good or all this stuff about tripods and monopods for MF is a bunch of BS. You can handhold any of these system just like you can any 35mm system. I really question that argument out there . To me it is all about weight, speed and focal length and finding that balance be it 400 pounds or 1 pound and not to mention talent.

kdphotography
3rd February 2011, 08:09
I'm old let me just tell ya that right off the bat. If i can nail a handheld shot with a 110mm lens that should be shot at like 1/250 and pull one off at 1/50 either i am damn good or all this stuff about tripods and monopods for MF is a bunch of BS. You can handhold any of these system just like you can any 35mm system. I really question that argument out there . To me it is all about weight, speed and focal length and finding that balance be it 400 pounds or 1 pound and not to mention talent.

It does require better photographic technique or care to shoot higher res MFDBs handheld , but you also need to give yourself credit as a photographer, Guy. Being shorter gives us both stability in the wind, not like those tall sasquatch guys.... :D

Guy Mancuso
3rd February 2011, 08:15
LOL Lower center of gravity.

Seriously though I agree with Ken just takes better technique. No question MF is harder. But we always hear the 35mm Vs MF argument on this hand held thing and truthfully I think a lot of that is blown out of proportion. No one said this stuff was easy, you need to work at this. Like being any athlete you have to practice with the extra weight, focal lengths and speed. Plus you need to know your gear and it's full capabilities and limitations.

msadat
3rd February 2011, 15:20
that's real good to hear that it can be hand held. i just got the h4d-50 and i am very comfortable shooting it hand held but it is only 50 meg.

ustein
3rd February 2011, 15:42
:it hand held but it is only 50 meg.

Now we start calling this "only 50 megs" :-)

msadat
3rd February 2011, 15:55
it was bound to happen one day. i guess it was today!


:it hand held but it is only 50 meg.

Now we start calling this "only 50 megs" :-)

santiago restrepo s
3rd February 2011, 16:37
guy thank you very much for your response
takes it into consideration to make the purchase soon

Guy Mancuso
3rd February 2011, 16:58
Well one thing is it really needs to be comfortable in your hand. I think that is key

Guy Mancuso
4th February 2011, 08:36
Well found another image that is just killing me. Shot with the 150 WIDE OPEN. Just amazed at the amount of detail in this back. I'm on a tripod here

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/cf001192_1.jpg

1200 pixel wide crop

http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/1/crop_419709.jpg

msadat
4th February 2011, 18:43
that is just out of this world!!

etrump
5th February 2011, 18:57
Incredible detail, time to trash the sharpening plugins.
:D

jsf
5th February 2011, 21:24
I have to say I am getting terrible megapixel envy. I am truly impressed at the amount of detail in the crops. I have been telling myself it doesn't matter and now I can hear my lies screaming at me, my wife will just roll her eyes at not just the $43k for the back plus the whole system, there is no way, but wow. To add another note to the handheld thing, I hand hold my Bronica all of the time. Is it sharper on the tripod, of course, is it possible to get decent sharpness on a MF, don't be silly of course. They used to hand hold 4x5's , I used to hand hold 4x5's, and goodness knows I knew an old timer that hand held an 8x10. Joe

Guy Mancuso
6th February 2011, 03:31
I'm loading up my Epson 7900 with a 24 inch today and print a couple of these for our workshop folks to peak at. Scary thing is my printer is too small for it. LOL

Guy Mancuso
6th February 2011, 05:01
OMG is about all I can say the detail and clarity are petty darn amazing. Nothing lost from screen to print . If anything better and smoother

Guy Mancuso
6th February 2011, 05:29
So I printed 23x 30 inch prints of Post 1 and 5 which are the Power Plant with the 150 D , the Church with the 110 LS and the Marina with guy on Pole with the 80 LS and each lens held up amazingly on this monster. So no lens issues there whatsoever

kdphotography
6th February 2011, 05:51
I'm loading up my Epson 7900 with a 24 inch today and print a couple of these for our workshop folks to peak at. Scary thing is my printer is too small for it. LOL

The IQ180 should come bundled with an Epson 9900. ;)

Great to see that the lenses are holding up---no doubt the newer D series and LS lenses are going to be to best choices for these new backs.

ken

Guy Mancuso
6th February 2011, 08:32
The IQ180 should come bundled with an Epson 9900. ;)


Without question I agree. LOL

schuster
5th March 2011, 00:25
Looks like there's dirt on the sensor glass. Is cleaning any easier with the new back?

Guy Mancuso
6th March 2011, 08:53
Cleaning would be no different. Yes the back was pretty dirty for sure. Since it was a prototype totally expected it to be.

etrigan63
7th March 2011, 06:12
Guy & Jack,

your presentation of the IQ backs is very compelling. Would that i had that kind of money... However, don't sell yourselves short. Your "test shots" are by and large far better than most of the acts of photography committed daily around the world.

I am hoping that i will be able to take advantage of the flood of traded in P40+ backs when the IQ backs finally start shipping.

darr
7th March 2011, 07:08
I am hoping that i will be able to take advantage of the flood of traded in P40+ backs when the IQ backs finally start shipping.

Carlos that is how I bought my P45 back. I waited until it was a generation (and a half) older, and that made it reachable for me. I am glad I did, but since I shoot tethered a lot, the IQ backs are making me want all-over-again. :(

Kind regards,
Darr