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NSFW ( Not safe for work) Nicole Nr. 2

Jack

Sr. Administrator
Staff member
Re: How about more and more fun with Canon...

Bob,

I *really* like this shot --- wonderful composition, and it has that LF or at least MF capture feel to it! I suspect you used the Canon 50/1.2L on this shot? Maybe around f 1.8 or 2.0??? Also, really like these in B&W over color, just adds to the "film noir" character.

:thumbs:
 

Bob

Administrator
Staff member
Re: How about more and more fun with Canon...

Bob,

I *really* like this shot --- wonderful composition, and it has that LF or at least MF capture feel to it! I suspect you used the Canon 50/1.2L on this shot? Maybe around f 1.8 or 2.0??? Also, really like these in B&W over color, just adds to the "film noir" character.

:thumbs:
Thanks, Jack.
Yep, that is the 50/1.2 at 1.4
It has become one of the model's favorites as well. One feature I wish C1 had was to sort by style and variant. Sometimes it helps to look at the images in B&W just to get a better feel for composition and treatment. What I would like to do is to take a whole shoot and easily create an album containing a variant with a style applied.
The "film noir" look is due to a bit of clipping the blacks and lengthening the shoulder.
-bob
 
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Bob

Administrator
Staff member
Re: How about more and more fun with Canon...

Youve really managed to capture this girl looking terrified bob,is this one of a series,is this the before or after?and Jack,Id be interested what it is that you* really* like about this cheap and in this case rather sick voyerism.
What the model was actually terrified of perhaps was that her abdomen might not show too well in the rather unusual pose (for her).
In this series we were trying to do a range of emotionally charged images with little variation on pose other than facial expressions. I have one with a smiling face which didn't work as well.
I don't understand your question concerning before or after, this was somewhere about 2/3 through the shoot.
As for cheap or sick voyeurism...
Webster's definition[1] certainly seems clear. The image does not fall into that definition to me, I am sorry that it does for you.
thanks
-bob

[1] http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/vo/voyeurism.html
 
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wbrandsma

Guest
Re: How about more and more fun with Canon...

I have certainly a problem with my photographs been displayed in this thread together with such a photograph. I respect you for doing this Bob, but I don't share the same enthusiasm for this genre. And I certainly don't want to be connected to it either. All the best.
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Re: How about more and more fun with Canon...

Hmmm first off I will not censor any image that is art for art sake. Obviously if something is over the line than we will delete a image. I see nothing wrong with this image as it is Bob's art and that is all their is to it and what he has been trying to master within himself, just like any one else trying to master a certain aspect of their shooting. We have plenty of nude images on this forum that even go further down that tunnel than this by a long shot. Bottom line as a working pro I will not censor images and as part owner of this forum and like any other forum on the net censoring images is NOT anything that any owner of a forum wants to get into, we will censor the written word on attacks and insults on people though. Like anything else turn the dial or turn the page if it is something that offends you but I would not even put a corporate warning on this image for viewing. I think we tend to forget a look or a certain look may mean different things to different people. We all have our opinions on what we like or dislike and that is what makes the world go round but I will not censor images that are intended to be art. The key here is the intention is art not porno or any other weird crap going on. Post this same image on any photo forum and no owner will censor this image. Sorry folks there is a line in the sand but this is not approaching it. I also have yet to receive one complaint either. Many images in the gallery that represent the nude figure. Never a complaint there as well.
 

cam

Active member
Re: How about more and more fun with Canon...

What the model was terrified of perhaps was that her abdomen might not show too well in the rather unusual pose (for her). :ROTFL:
In this series we were trying to do a range of emotionally charged images with little variation on pose other than facial expressions. I have one with a smiling face which didn't work as well.
I don't understand your question concerning before or after, this was somewhere about 2/3 through the shoot.
As for cheap or sick voyeurism...
Webster's definition[1] certainly seems clear. The image certainly doesn't do it for me, are you saying that it does it for you?
thanks
-bob

[1] http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/vo/voyeurism.html
Bob,

some people are offended by this and it doesn't help for you to belittle that fact -- especially as you are a moderator.

am i personally offended? no, but i have a very thick skin. i very much appreciate them sticking up for what they feel is exploitation and, yes, terror can be construed.

i can totally respect your right to post this photo in the forum, but i also respect people's wish not to either see this and/or have their pictures associated with it.

is it to much to ask that it be put in a separate thread with perhaps a warning? i have seen this in the other forums and i think it is in good taste.

art is art is art. i am not one for censorship. but i do demand respect.

you've touched a nerve here and for you to laugh it off is very disrespectful of members here. that to me, more than the picture itself, is what i find disturbing.
 

kevinparis

Member
Re: How about more and more fun with Canon...

think everybody is overreacting here.

This is not pornography... its not even mild erotica... its a nude portrait

Its an interesting shot both in technical terms and in subject matter. Unlike a lot of shots posted here it involves a subject that I assume was a willing participant in the act of creating a photograph. I am assuming that Bob has all the appropriate model release documentation

Its a shot that obviously has provoked a reaction in certain members of the forum - and they are entitled to their opinions.

but this is an open and i thought tolerant forum. This photograph is no different from imagery i see in advertising on the street and glossy magazine available on the lower shelves of your local newsagent.

If this photograph was to be some how suppressed... then I would have to consider my continued involvement with this forum

K
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Re: How about more and more fun with Canon...

Cam issue is I open a forum or thread just for that than I will get bombarded with porno. It's opening a pandora's box if you know what I mean.
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Re: How about more and more fun with Canon...

think everybody is overreacting here.

This is not pornography... its not even mild erotica... its a nude portrait

Its an interesting shot both in technical terms and in subject matter. Unlike a lot of shots posted here it involves a subject that I assume was a willing participant in the act of creating a photograph. I am assuming that Bob has all the appropriate model release documentation

Its a shot that obviously has provoked a reaction in certain members of the forum - and they are entitled to their opinions.

but this is an open and i thought tolerant forum. This photograph is no different from imagery i see in advertising on the street and glossy magazine available on the lower shelves of your local newsagent.

If this photograph was to be some how suppressed... then I would have to consider my continued involvement with this forum

K

I do agree Kevin. This is no different than many images out there
 

Bob

Administrator
Staff member
Re: How about more and more fun with Canon...

Youve really managed to capture this girl looking terrified bob,is this one of a series,is this the before or after?and Jack,Id be interested what it is that you* really* like about this cheap and in this case rather sick voyerism.
Bob,

some people are offended by this and it doesn't help for you to belittle that fact -- especially as you are a moderator.

am i personally offended? no, but i have a very thick skin. i very much appreciate them sticking up for what they feel is exploitation and, yes, terror can be construed.

i can totally respect your right to post this photo in the forum, but i also respect people's wish not to either see this and/or have their pictures associated with it.

is it to much to ask that it be put in a separate thread with perhaps a warning? i have seen this in the other forums and i think it is in good taste.

art is art is art. i am not one for censorship. but i do demand respect.

you've touched a nerve here and for you to laugh it off is very disrespectful of members here. that to me, more than the picture itself, is what i find disturbing.
I do respect those who have other opinions, as as for the part of belittling those who do not agree with my point of view, perhaps I did go a bit far on that, but I was puzzled by the use of words in the complaint and tried to answer a question contained in that complaint as well as what I felt was an unfair characterization.

On another image posted, there was a comment "subtle as a hammer" and although I understand the idiom, my PM asking for explanation as to why was responded to with a picture of a hammer. That surely did not help me figure it out.

I am circulating an email amongst the owners and moderators of this forum and hope to get some consensus amongst ourselves on this sort of thing. I have street images taken that same day in Brussels with a department store display filled with imagery that far exceeded the line compared with what I had posted.
My intent surely was not to create controversy here.
Peace (I hope)
-bob
 

steflaurent974

Active member
Re: NSFW Nicole Nr. 2

Art is art, it's been twenty centuries that artists try to figure women AND MEN body : statues, painting, photographs, etc... Everybody is nude under his/her clothes, no ?
I find your model nice, your composition is working the picture is good and I can't see no perversion in such a shot, I like it.
Without any controversy, i would like this place to stay artistically open minded and personnaly I don't like the kinds of comments tending to censor such a picture.

If one can not post a fine picture of a nude man or woman in this forum I'll have to leave this place.

It is not the first time Bob has to hear such comments on his photo.
Bob I am definitively on your side. Freedom and respect.
Stéphane.
 
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ddk

Guest
Re: How about more and more fun with Canon...

Bob,

some people are offended by this and it doesn't help for you to belittle that fact -- especially as you are a moderator.

am i personally offended? no, but i have a very thick skin. i very much appreciate them sticking up for what they feel is exploitation and, yes, terror can be construed.

i can totally respect your right to post this photo in the forum, but i also respect people's wish not to either see this and/or have their pictures associated with it.

is it to much to ask that it be put in a separate thread with perhaps a warning? i have seen this in the other forums and i think it is in good taste.

art is art is art. i am not one for censorship. but i do demand respect.

you've touched a nerve here and for you to laugh it off is very disrespectful of members here. that to me, more than the picture itself, is what i find disturbing.
On the contrary cam, I don't find anything disrespectful here when people can express their opinions, hopefully as photographers we HAVE the right to dismiss them too! There are plenty of forums out there for those with such values, they don't HAVE to hang around here if they're not open to other people's artistic expression. What get's me about nei1 isn't his values but the fact that he demands everyone else to accept them too, that to me is DISRESPECTFUL and unacceptable!
 
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TRSmith

Subscriber Member
Re: NSFW Nicole Nr. 2

I like this shot Bob. I especially like the skin tones and wonderful blacks. If I have any critique, it is only that I would like to have seen the model's left foot completely in the frame.

As for the rest of the discussion, I think kevinparis nailed it fairly well. And if I were a moderator, I'd give real consideration to the idea of calling Nei1's bluff.
 

LJL

New member
Re: NSFW Nicole Nr. 2

+1
That was my reaction when this surfaced also.

LJ

As for the rest of the discussion, I think kevinparis nailed it fairly well. And if I were a moderator, I'd give real consideration to the idea of calling Nei1's bluff.
 
Really like the tonality, pose and expression. If I were to offer a critique I would have liked to have her whole foot in the image rather than cut off at the toes.
 

kweide

New member
Bob,

this picture is FANTASTIC.
It has style, expression, feelings and it tells a story. The modell is FIRST CLASS acting. This is great cinema.
I love the picture. Well done.
Hope to see more of this kind.
 

Corlan F.

Subscriber Member
Obviously the forces of obscurantism are still well alive and survived the ages.
Interesting to see the beast breathing again even on a typical art oriented media.

Re the photo, like Tim and kweide the cut off toes are a tad disturbing, but OTOH maybe it's part of the uneaseness conveyed by the image. In that case, maybe a slightly bolder crop would be in order?

A question related to processing : how much skin surface blur did you apply on the body here ?
It bestows an immediate contrast with the right hand (and feet), and a slight unrealistic touch -which incidentally plays a part in making it more artistic than "voyeuristic", without the aid of accessories of oversophisticated / unreal lighting. Or maybe it's just me :D
 

Bob

Administrator
Staff member
Obviously the forces of obscurantism are still well alive and survived the ages.
Interesting to see the beast breathing again even on a typical art oriented media.

Re the photo, like Tim and kweide the cut off toes are a tad disturbing, but OTOH maybe it's part of the uneaseness conveyed by the image. In that case, maybe a slightly bolder crop would be in order?

A question related to processing : how much skin surface blur did you apply on the body here ?
It bestows an immediate contrast with the right hand (and feet), and a slight unrealistic touch -which incidentally plays a part in making it more artistic than "voyeuristic", without the aid of accessories of oversophisticated / unreal lighting. Or maybe it's just me :D
Actually no "literal" blur, although I did touch up a few usual blemishes and softened a skin crease, did some local tone compensation in areas for which the model was thankful, and brightened the face a bit. Most of the effect was the conversion curve which imparted clipped blacks, a high contrast dark-midtone and a long soft shoulder to the highlights combined with north light coming through a seven foot tall sheer curtained window (a seven foot softbox if you will).
The clipped toe (model not curve) was inadvertent and I thought about the possibility of restoring it just a bit, but then the confinement of the crop I thought added to mood so I did not bother or perhaps it was just sloth.
The model is an actress and is one of the few I have worked with that can emote on demand. The demand in this case was "vulnerable".
-bob
 
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