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    Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    I've been using it for landscapes with great success, so I decided to try my hand at something new: office space.

    5DMkII & 24mm TS-E II, 3-shot vertorama, available light only. First time I ever tried stitching photos - modern software never ceases to amaze me.


    My conclusion? It's not really wide enough for interiors. So I just HAD TO order the 17mm TS-E. It will arrive on Friday, and I'm not quite sure how I will make it through this waiting game.

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    I have both the 17 and the new 24, and couldn't live without either of them. The 24 seems to have a very slight edge optically, but then, who ever thought we'd ever even SEE a 17 with an image circle big enough to shift. Here's an example of the 17 used to stitch two horizontal frames into a vertical. This lens just rocks. And then a couple of single frames of Disney Hall the first weekend I had the lens.

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    Where are you buying from? I've been looking for both for some time now.

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    I got the 17mm from Samy's and the 24 from Canoga Camera. They are both hard to find and almost impossible to get any sort of a discount on. The 17 lists for $2500 and the dealer pays over $2200.

    I wanted to buy the 24 from Samy's but they couldn't get one in time. Their Canon rep swore up and down that not a single store in Southern Ca. had any in stock but later that afternoon I saw two with my own eyes at Canoga. Not sure what exactly is going on here but something is definitely up in the supply chain.

    I've been dealing with Frank Schlegel at Samy's for well over twenty years. Give them a call and ask for him.

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    Quote Originally Posted by mbroomfield View Post
    Where are you buying from? I've been looking for both for some time now.

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    B&H Photo. As of this morning, they had the 17mm in stock, but not the 24mm II. Sign up for the "notify me when available" e-mail, and you'll know as soon as they get them in. Upon receiving the notification, act quickly. I hesitated for an hour on the 17mm, and they were gone. I had to wait another three weeks until they got them again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfigen View Post
    And then a couple of single frames of Disney Hall the first weekend I had the lens.
    Ah, that magical first weekend with a new lens... it's kind of like a first date.

    Really lovely photos, btw.

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    Thanks, I've signed up for notification of both from B&H but haven't received any email. I've been checking daily too. I'll sign up again I think.

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    Exactly how did you take your 3 images. Was the camera stationary and you used the shift function with the lens tilted or what?

    Also in pictures of the lens I see that there is material surrounding the rear element between the glass and the inside of the lens flange. Does it look like that material could be removed easily.?

    I'm wondering about converting this lens to a sony mount.

    thanks,

    Mike

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    Mike,

    The camera was stationary, in landscape orientation. One shot shifted all the way up, one shot with no shift, and one shot shifted all the way down. No tilt was used. The three images were stitched in Photoshop CS4.

    As to your other question, I don't know about "easily removed" as I am not that adventurous. All I know is my warranty would be "easily voided".

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    LOL. Roger the warranty issue and thanks for the info.

    Mike

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    Perhaps you might consider the original 24mm TS-E for your experiment. They're half the price new, and you can probably find a used one for even less as quite a few people have upgraded to the new version.

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    I have a great condition 24mm vI for sale, in box with manual, pouch and hood, if you're interested.

    I think on my vertical shot posted above, I only shot two frames, one shifted up and the other down. I did, as I remember, tweak the focus on the bottom shot so the bottom would actually be in sharp focus. You can see the difference even at f/11 on a 17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmaas View Post
    Exactly how did you take your 3 images. Was the camera stationary and you used the shift function with the lens tilted or what?

    Also in pictures of the lens I see that there is material surrounding the rear element between the glass and the inside of the lens flange. Does it look like that material could be removed easily.?

    I'm wondering about converting this lens to a sony mount.

    thanks,

    Mike
    I doubt you could convert this to Sony since Sony A-mount is smaller in size than Canon and so I bet the lens bayonnet would not probably fit inside the A-mount. Also, to get infinity focus you would need to reduce the register length of the lens by .2cm.
    Maybe it can be done and it would be awesome to see work.
    Looks harder though than getting my ZA 135/1.8 to work on my Canon 1ds3.

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    You'd also have to reverse engineer the electrical instruction for aperture selection. If you were adventurous and owned a lathe, it's probably with the realm of possibility to get these to mount and operate on something else, but it would a lot easier and maybe less expensive in the long run to just buy a Canon body for these lenses.

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    Register difference is .6mm so I doubt that would be a problem but the lens apparently does not have an external manual aperture ring and that will be more of a problem that I would want to deal with. I don't have a lathe but I have a local hobbyist who does and who can do almost anything that can be done in that respect but the lens aperture and electronic protocols would definitely be a problem.

    Back to the drawing board. I'll have to check the ts-e 1 to see whether it is possible on that otherwise it may be time to look at the FD 35mm or perhaps just stick with the tilt only 50mm f4 flektogon I currently have.

    The idea of tilt, shift and a lens that would serve well as a 24mm normal lens was looking very attractive. 17mm is too wide for me and 35 a little narrow without the shift.

    The II version looks a good deal sharper on the comparison I saw in one test on the web which is why I was looking at that one vs the I version.

    thanks for calling my attention to the aperture issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfigen View Post
    You'd also have to reverse engineer the electrical instruction for aperture selection. If you were adventurous and owned a lathe, it's probably with the realm of possibility to get these to mount and operate on something else, but it would a lot easier and maybe less expensive in the long run to just buy a Canon body for these lenses.

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    As far as I know there are no EF Canon lenses that have a manual aperture control. You are right; the new 24II is a remarkable piece of glass and works just as well as a normal manual focus 24, as long as you don't need anything faster than 3.5 - and it's way sharper at 3.5 than the 24 1.4 is at 3.5, especially in the corners.

    The Red video camera can use both the latest Nikon and Canon glass, so it can't be THAT hard to figure out the electronics. It's just that I've never heard of an individual trying it themselves. But really, how hard would it be to read all the combinations coming off the contacts to figure it all out. And there's the Conrus guy in Canada who does the fully functional Zeiss to Canon conversions retaining AF and AE all the way. I've thought of working this out myself, but, really, I'm too busy shooting and in post, but I have though about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfigen View Post
    it would a lot easier and maybe less expensive in the long run to just buy a Canon body for these lenses.
    That's what I was thinking. (make sure you get a model with Live View - invaluable tool for obtaining critical focus)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tokengirl View Post
    Mike,

    The camera was stationary, in landscape orientation. One shot shifted all the way up, one shot with no shift, and one shot shifted all the way down. No tilt was used. The three images were stitched in Photoshop CS4.
    Just a quick note---shooting a pano (either vertical or horizontal) with a TS-e using shift couldn't be easier. They stitch perfectly--you can also work out a 3 over 3 pano using the shift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfigen View Post
    As far as I know there are no EF Canon lenses that have a manual aperture control. You are right; the new 24II is a remarkable piece of glass and works just as well as a normal manual focus 24, as long as you don't need anything faster than 3.5 - and it's way sharper at 3.5 than the 24 1.4 is at 3.5, especially in the corners.
    There are no EF Canon lenses that have manual aperture control. Because I have dealt with this for use on my m4/3rds (my 45 TS-e), you can set aperture on an EOS body, then hold the DOF preview button and it will 'hold' that aperture to use on another system. The trick, of course, is carrying an EOS body to make those aperture changes LOL. Might as well use that EOS body directly.

    The FD lenses all have manual aperture control and there is a 35mm TS I believe.

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    I did contact Conurus about providing an external box for his conversions so they could be used on another mount than canon. As it turns out his chip reverts to manual mode if it doesn't find a canon protocol when mounted and at that point the external aperture on the lens works. What one would have to do for those lenses is provide the power through the contacts on the non-canon mount or from an external source.

    Sigma and Canon protocols are largely identical, the stabilization is different for sure and there may be other minimal differences but converting a canon lens to sigma is pretty trivial and maintains all the aperture and auto focus functionality.

    I suspect the lens functionality resides in a single chip and could be removed from a camera and housed with a power supply to work with other mounts but it's something I'm completely in the dark about and not something I'm interested in pursuing.

    I bought a Hartblei superrotator 55mm 4.5 on ebay this morning. The 55 was originally designed as a shift lens and has larger elements and a bigger image circle than the other hartblei lenses. It provides 12mm of shift. Like some others I'm interested in getting max dof and shift at shot time rather than using fusing in post.

    That 24mm was sure an attractive option until the aperture issue came up. I looked at the Nikon and it probably could be converted as long as the external aperture ring works in manual mode all the time and not only when on the camera like the Contax N and 645.

    A canon camera is not really an option for me as I already have quite a bit of minolta stuff and I'm seriously thinking of removing the aa filter which I don't believe can be done on a canon as 1/2 (the horizontal IIRC) of the AA serves as the coverglass on the sensor and is not easily removed (think of solvent baths!).

    BTW that machinist had to rebuild the aperture lever inside the lens on a kiron 105mm conversion from FD to digital pentax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfigen View Post
    You'd also have to reverse engineer the electrical instruction for aperture selection. If you were adventurous and owned a lathe, it's probably with the realm of possibility to get these to mount and operate on something else, but it would a lot easier and maybe less expensive in the long run to just buy a Canon body for these lenses.
    Quote Originally Posted by pfigen View Post
    As far as I know there are no EF Canon lenses that have a manual aperture control. You are right; the new 24II is a remarkable piece of glass and works just as well as a normal manual focus 24, as long as you don't need anything faster than 3.5 - and it's way sharper at 3.5 than the 24 1.4 is at 3.5, especially in the corners.

    The Red video camera can use both the latest Nikon and Canon glass, so it can't be THAT hard to figure out the electronics. It's just that I've never heard of an individual trying it themselves. But really, how hard would it be to read all the combinations coming off the contacts to figure it all out. And there's the Conrus guy in Canada who does the fully functional Zeiss to Canon conversions retaining AF and AE all the way. I've thought of working this out myself, but, really, I'm too busy shooting and in post, but I have though about it.

    Peter

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    Those shots of Disney Hall are awesome.
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    Thank you very much.

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    Can someone explain the difference between the 24mm V1 and V2 lenses. I can't find any reliable information except for some sales talk.
    Price difference is about 1000 USD, and I'm considering the V1, if the T+S are working.

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    The two main differences:

    1. With v1, you can either set the tilt and shift in line with each other or at 90° from each other. in order to change from one to the other, you can either a) send it in to an authorized repair shop or Canon, or b) supposedly do it yourself by removing 4 tiny screws and rotating it. With v2, tilt and shift rotate independently of each other in variable increments by pressing a lever and turning the lens. This is a HUGE improvement in the functionality of the lens and totally worth the price of admission.

    2. The optical improvement from v1 to v2 is very significant. v2 has no CA to speak of, it is incredibly sharp all the way to the corners unless you tilt all the way, there is no barrel distortion, and flare is extremely well controlled.

    The v2 is worth every single penny IMO.

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    2 Comments:

    1. Thanks a lot. Very useful information.
    2. You have just costed me an additional 1000 Dollars!

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.agar View Post
    2. You have just costed me an additional 1000 Dollars!

    Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.agar View Post
    2. You have just costed me an additional 1000 Dollars!

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    An option for a t/s on the Sony, you might consider the Olympus OM 24mm as a tarting point. It would give you manual apature control.

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    I find that I am using the 24 TS-E II more than any other lens, and if you put a gun to my head and told me I could only keep one lens, this would be the one I would pick.

    I had her out for an airboat ride and swamp walk yesterday:


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    Really no barrel distortion? If you straightened up (those vertical lines on the low brown partition wall slant to the right) that interior shot, got all the verticals upright and put a guide along the door openings and along the bend in the wall on the left, are they perfectly straight?

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    Really no barrel distortion? If you straightened up (those vertical lines on the low brown partition wall slant to the right) that interior shot, got all the verticals upright and put a guide along the door openings and along the bend in the wall on the left, are they perfectly straight?
    No they are not perfectly straight, but that's not due to barrel distortion, it's due to my camera not being perfectly positioned when I shot the sequence.

    Here's another sample, a single shot where my crappy tilt-pan tripod head was positioned as correctly as I can get it (this is my mental justification for getting a Cube ). I have superimposed grid lines for your viewing pleasure. I don't see any noticeable barrel distortion here.


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    Thanks, I do like the pic.

    But the sides of the foreground structure don't appear parallel (right-hand edge leans to the right)...

    (Yeah, I'm this picky with my own shots)

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    But the sides of the foreground structure don't appear parallel (right-hand edge leans to the right)...
    Yeah, but it still is not caused by barrel distortion.

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    Re: Small Rambling on the 24mm TS-E II

    Would you mind to post more pictures taken with this marvel ?

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinwen View Post
    Would you mind to post more pictures taken with this marvel ?

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    Certainly. Anyone else with this lens feel free to add your photos here.










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    tokengirl,

    Like the Chekika and skyline shots.
    How much tilt did you use in those shots?

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    Lovely ... carry on and thanks again for doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayne_s View Post
    How much tilt did you use in those shots?
    Wayne,

    The Chekika shot had a very minuscule amount of tilt, maybe a half degree? The Miami skyline shot had one degree I believe, and it was a handheld shot from my boat (which is unusual, as I always use a tripod with the TS lenses).

    You really don't need a lot of tilt for landscapes, it's very easy to overdo it. Sometimes you really can't use it, like when you have a tall object (like a tree) in the foreground.

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    Very pretty. Thanks for sharing

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    Wow, this is making me want to pickup my Canon digital again!

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    Never tried the 24 and 17 TS from Canon. But had some fun with the Contax 35/2.8 PC + adapter mounted on my 5D II. A great lens also. Thanks for sharing nice pics! Congrats!

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    I have to say that the 17 TS-E and 24 TS-E MK II are very good at what they do.

    24 TS-E MK II:


    17 TS-E:

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    Great images. I own the 17 and use it often with the 1.4X without visible degradation. This new breed of lenses vanished my lust for digital medium format.
    I'm not saying they can match what you can achieve with MF but certainly they are good enough for the the next and subsequent generation of sensors up to 50 mp's at least. Who needs more?
    Besides, I truly believe that the most outstanding, compelling, inspiring and unforgettable photographic imagery of the last 40 years has been done with "35" size gear. In the film years, it lacked quality for big blow-ups. Now, it easily supersedes most expectations.
    Digital 35 is the new medium format of photography. The new "Holy Grail", only better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulianDeLaRosa View Post
    I have to say that the 17 TS-E and 24 TS-E MK II are very good at what they do.

    24 TS-E MK II:


    17 TS-E:
    Last edited by Uaiomex; 28th July 2011 at 21:35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    Great images. I own the 17 and use it often with the 1.4X without visible degradation. This new breed of lenses vanished my lust for digital medium format.
    I'm not saying they can match what you can achieve with MF but certainly they are good enough for the the next and subsequent generation of sensors up to 50 mp's at least. Who needs more?
    Besides, I truly believe that the most outstanding, compelling, inspiring and unforgettable photographic imagery of the last 40 years has been done with "35" size gear. In the film years, it lacked quality for big blow-ups. Now, it easily supersedes most expectations.
    Digital 35 is the new medium format of photography. The new "Holy Grail", only better.
    Eduardo
    Thanks Eduardo. I have to agree with your statement. It's just that waiting for the next camera is making me impatient. I do welcome more MPs because I sell 40x60 quite a bit and it doesn't hurt to have the extra rez. So, in the mean time, I'll be waiting for what is next to come.

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    Hahahaha!
    I'm on the same pathetic train. I've been looking for new camera rumors for over 3 months now. I define myself as a moderate gear junkie. I need new stuff a little more often than "once in a while"
    Gear is to photographers what shoes are for women, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulianDeLaRosa View Post
    Thanks Eduardo. I have to agree with your statement. It's just that waiting for the next camera is making me impatient. I do welcome more MPs because I sell 40x60 quite a bit and it doesn't hurt to have the extra rez. So, in the mean time, I'll be waiting for what is next to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    Hahahaha!
    I'm on the same pathetic train. I've been looking for new camera rumors for over 3 months now. I define myself as a moderate gear junkie. I need new stuff a little more often than "once in a while"
    Gear is to photographers what shoes are for women, right?
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    You're exactly right!!

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