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    Looking for advice, please.

    Over 30 years I have been with the dark side. Age and eyesight makes me seek some alternatives. And the lack of lenses at the right weight and FL.

    I shoot Zeiss 35 and Zeiss 100mm. My favorite focal lengths.

    Manual focus is causing me probles, as is the weight without af.

    Thinking about a 5D II, 24-105 L, 24/1.4 L or 35/1.4 L and a 135/2 L

    I would be grateful for your experience and advice.

    Thank you Kindly.

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    Age and eyesight caught me a few years back and I opted for the 5D MKI and have latterly upgraded to the 5D MKII . I avoided the 24-105 L and opted for a 24mm F1.4L, 50mm F1.4 an 85mm F1.8 and a 100mm F2.8 macro. These are the lenses I use most when staying local but I've since added a 17-40 L and the superb 70-200 F4 L IS for traveling "light" purposes.

    I'm really happy with this kit and find it covers all my shooting needs from low light, street, travel and sport. The IQ from the MKII is awesome and you most definitely will not be disappointed.

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    If you are using the 35mm and 100m Zeiss and they are your favorite focal lengths, then the natural choice would be the 5DMkII with the 35mm L and the 100mm Macro L, no?

    I have the 24-105 L, and it's a good lens for what it is. It was the first lens I bought. But if I had to do it over again, I would skip that one and just get the two primes.

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    Hello rayyan,

    You kindly gave me some good advice a while ago in the Leica section. I
    was debating letting my M8 and lenses go due to aging eyes. I purchased
    the 5DMK II and LOVE it...I can see again! I enjoy the images from
    the 24-105..it is such an easy lens to use and carry. I also picked up the
    new 70-200 IS II. I HATE lifting it, won't take it many places but my husband would not let me return it after seeing the images it produced.

    Maybe start with the 24-105 before purchasing any primes...you might
    be very happy with the results.

    I did as you suggested, sold my 35 1.4 and am keeping the 28 and 75 crons... because when I'm having a good day, eyesight wise...they are just lovely.

    Can't part with the M8 even though the 5DMK II is so much easier to use. I
    actually sent the M8 to Popflash to be sold on consignment but I could not
    stand being separated from it and had them ship it right back to me!

    Good luck and welcome to the LIGHT!

    Barbara

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReeRay View Post
    Age and eyesight caught me a few years back and I opted for the 5D MKI and have latterly upgraded to the 5D MKII . I avoided the 24-105 L and opted for a 24mm F1.4L, 50mm F1.4 an 85mm F1.8 and a 100mm F2.8 macro. These are the lenses I use most when staying local but I've since added a 17-40 L and the superb 70-200 F4 L IS for traveling "light" purposes.

    I'm really happy with this kit and find it covers all my shooting needs from low light, street, travel and sport. The IQ from the MKII is awesome and you most definitely will not be disappointed.
    ReeRay: Thanks for the response. Gives me somethings to think over.

    Quote Originally Posted by tokengirl View Post
    If you are using the 35mm and 100m Zeiss and they are your favorite focal lengths, then the natural choice would be the 5DMkII with the 35mm L and the 100mm Macro L, no?

    I have the 24-105 L, and it's a good lens for what it is. It was the first lens I bought. But if I had to do it over again, I would skip that one and just get the two primes.
    tokengirl: Hi. Yes for the FLs but was exploring options. Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by forbar View Post
    Hello rayyan,

    You kindly gave me some good advice a while ago in the Leica section. I
    was debating letting my M8 and lenses go due to aging eyes. I purchased
    the 5DMK II and LOVE it...I can see again! I enjoy the images from
    the 24-105..it is such an easy lens to use and carry. I also picked up the
    new 70-200 IS II. I HATE lifting it, won't take it many places but my husband would not let me return it after seeing the images it produced.

    Maybe start with the 24-105 before purchasing any primes...you might
    be very happy with the results.

    I did as you suggested, sold my 35 1.4 and am keeping the 28 and 75 crons... because when I'm having a good day, eyesight wise...they are just lovely.

    Can't part with the M8 even though the 5DMK II is so much easier to use. I
    actually sent the M8 to Popflash to be sold on consignment but I could not
    stand being separated from it and had them ship it right back to me!

    Good luck and welcome to the LIGHT!

    Barbara
    Hi Barbara: So glad things worked out for you with the 28/75. Lovely set hose two. I appreciate your advice. Just like you and the M8, am afraid to let
    go. Maybe darkness might be better for me

    Folks, you have been great taking your time to give me your advice. I truly
    appreciate it.

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    Re: Looking for advice, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    ReeRay: Thanks for the response. Gives me somethings to think over.



    tokengirl: Hi. Yes for the FLs but was exploring options. Thank you.



    Hi Barbara: So glad things worked out for you with the 28/75. Lovely set hose two. I appreciate your advice. Just like you and the M8, am afraid to let
    go. Maybe darkness might be better for me

    Folks, you have been great taking your time to give me your advice. I truly
    appreciate it.

    I am a bit confused....you have posted wonderful fully exposed and focused pics in both the Nikon and Leica threads for months...

    ONLY advantage to you with Canon is video...Nikon will still have better AF and less aggressive filter on the chip...Leica with CCD will smoke either of these.

    Dont get me wrong...I have moved from 1D to 20D to 1Ds Mk ii to Nikon D100/D3/D700 to present A900. and from M6 to M7 to MP to M8 to M8.2.

    I shoot H3D II 39 in addition to the above.

    Video on the Canon is unchallenged unless you go with GH1 and Tester 13 hack and get a combo with SD card that works.

    With grandchildren a newer Nikon D700 or its coming replacement will meet or exceed AF and sharpness for the present Canons...want more pixels then the D3x or D700x (D900?) should match them. Do you want to change all lenses and move to less contrast ... albeit a bit more pleasing skin tones?

    For video I am looking at 5DmkII or the upper level camcorders from Canon and Sony. But for stills I do not see this as an upward movement for you...more like a traverse on a moraine with a lot of scree.

    Thoughts?

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    I am a bit confused....you have posted wonderful fully exposed and focused pics in both the Nikon and Leica threads for months...

    ONLY advantage to you with Canon is video...Nikon will still have better AF and less aggressive filter on the chip...Leica with CCD will smoke either of these.

    Dont get me wrong...I have moved from 1D to 20D to 1Ds Mk ii to Nikon D100/D3/D700 to present A900. and from M6 to M7 to MP to M8 to M8.2.

    I shoot H3D II 39 in addition to the above.

    Video on the Canon is unchallenged unless you go with GH1 and Tester 13 hack and get a combo with SD card that works.

    With grandchildren a newer Nikon D700 or its coming replacement will meet or exceed AF and sharpness for the present Canons...want more pixels then the D3x or D700x (D900?) should match them. Do you want to change all lenses and move to less contrast ... albeit a bit more pleasing skin tones?

    For video I am looking at 5DmkII or the upper level camcorders from Canon and Sony. But for stills I do not see this as an upward movement for you...more like a traverse on a moraine with a lot of scree.

    Thoughts?

    Bob
    Hi Bob. Thanks for the reply. Each day takes its toll my friend. The Ms Can be managed because of the size/wt; just about. The zf 100/2 is a beast and
    after sometime carrying it, my hands are not as steady.

    I find that a 135mm would be more suitable at times for me with AF. I have not tried the Nikon 135/2 DC but I want to use it for both portraits and
    as a sort of a telephoto. The ZF shines in this. I had heard that the Canon 135/2 is good near and far.

    I had the 180mm once and do not think I need that much. The Nikon zooms are not for me due to the wt.

    I do not want or need video. I am just exploring my options at the moment
    and to be honest, thinking of changing systems was brought about by lens
    availability ( e.g f/4 zooms with 70-200mm ).

    I do not intend to switch just on a whim, though. If the Nikon 135mm would
    do the job, I would buy that.

    Best.

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    Rayyan,

    Understood...I have no experience with the 135 DC so cannot comment on how well it images...however the 135 ZA for Sony receives rave reviews. Not a Canon however.

    Bob

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    Rayyan, interesting thread because I have also been having similar thoughts. My reasoning is a bit different. The ridiculous price of the M9 means that there is no upgrade path for me from the M8 (which in its day was only slightly less of a ridiculous price). The thing is, to go from a M8 to M9 I would also have to swap my lenses which is an additional cost. When you do the math, a Canon or Nikon ff camera plus at least two (and possibly three) primes comes in less than the M9 body alone. Like you, when I factor in age and eyesight, and financial considerations, I love Leica but there are limits...

    Incidentally, the reason for considering Canon over Nikon is the availability of professional quality primes. I don't know if I am right in this evaluation?

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    Just to add another data point. As mentioned above, the Canon 35mm f/1.4 is a fine lens. For years, the "trilogy" in Canon's line was/is the 35L, the 85L, and the 135L. In my opinion, the Canon 135mm f/2.0 L is one of the best values in the line. It's AF is very fast, bokeh is smooth, colors are great, it's sharp, etc. If the focal length is right for you, it's a great lens to have in the kit.

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    Re: Looking for advice, please.

    I use a couple of different kits depending on the mission:
    General travel:
    5DII
    35 1.4L
    24-105

    Model shoots:
    1DsIII
    50 1.2L, 85 1.2L 135 2.0L

    But lately I have been experimenting with the following micro 4/3 kit
    G2 w 14-140
    GF1 w 7-14
    GF1 modified for IR w 14-45
    and a 20/1.7 in the bag
    This is working put pretty well for me and might actually replace my Canon for travel and casual use.

    -bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Allyn View Post
    Just to add another data point. As mentioned above, the Canon 35mm f/1.4 is a fine lens. For years, the "trilogy" in Canon's line was/is the 35L, the 85L, and the 135L. In my opinion, the Canon 135mm f/2.0 L is one of the best values in the line. It's AF is very fast, bokeh is smooth, colors are great, it's sharp, etc. If the focal length is right for you, it's a great lens to have in the kit.
    Ditto, the 135L is a jewel.

    All of the canon lenses should be micro adjusted to your camera body before use. Especially if you want sharp in focus pictures at wide open apertures.

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    I shoot leica and Canon. The one thing you do not say is what you shoot if outdoors good light 5d mk11 fine but if bad light heavy shade low light the 5d mk11 is not a good camera autofocus wise. The outer focus points do not work in bad light. I would rent a 5d mk11 nikon 700 and a sony a 900 or 850 and try them out. or if resolution does not cut it for you just the sony and canon. If you are use to and like shooting primes stick with them and try zooms later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post

    Rayyan, interesting thread because I have also been having similar thoughts. My reasoning is a bit different. The ridiculous price of the M9 means that there is no upgrade path for me from the M8 (which in its day was only slightly less of a ridiculous price). The thing is, to go from a M8 to M9 I would also have to swap my lenses which is an additional cost. When you do the math, a Canon or Nikon ff camera plus at least two (and possibly three) primes comes in less than the M9 body alone. Like you, when I factor in age and eyesight, and financial considerations, I love Leica but there are limits...

    Incidentally, the reason for considering Canon over Nikon is the availability of professional quality primes. I don't know if I am right in this evaluation?

    LouisB
    Louis: Same considerations here my friend..well almost. I shall pass the M9. I am happy with the D700 and the zf35. It is the longer end at 100-135mm which is causing me to look at possible alternatives.

    Appreciate your input.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Allyn View Post
    Just to add another data point. As mentioned above, the Canon 35mm f/1.4 is a fine lens. For years, the "trilogy" in Canon's line was/is the 35L, the 85L, and the 135L. In my opinion, the Canon 135mm f/2.0 L is one of the best values in the line. It's AF is very fast, bokeh is smooth, colors are great, it's sharp, etc. If the focal length is right for you, it's a great lens to have in the kit.
    Hi Dale. The 35/135 combo in the Canon lineup is what has got me interested
    in the first place.

    Regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I use a couple of different kits depending on the mission:
    General travel:
    5DII
    35 1.4L
    24-105

    Model shoots:
    1DsIII
    50 1.2L, 85 1.2L 135 2.0L

    But lately I have been experimenting with the following micro 4/3 kit
    G2 w 14-140
    GF1 w 7-14
    GF1 modified for IR w 14-45
    and a 20/1.7 in the bag
    This is working put pretty well for me and might actually replace my Canon for travel and casual use.

    -bob
    Hi Bob, how you keeping?. The first is a nice. For me a possible. No models for me And neither an investment in the 4/3.

    Thanks and stay well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giorgio View Post
    Ditto, the 135L is a jewel.

    All of the canon lenses should be micro adjusted to your camera body before use. Especially if you want sharp in focus pictures at wide open apertures.
    Giorgio: Yes, by all reports the 135/2 seems a super lens.

    Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by dseelig View Post
    I shoot leica and Canon. The one thing you do not say is what you shoot if outdoors good light 5d mk11 fine but if bad light heavy shade low light the 5d mk11 is not a good camera autofocus wise. The outer focus points do not work in bad light. I would rent a 5d mk11 nikon 700 and a sony a 900 or 850 and try them out. or if resolution does not cut it for you just the sony and canon. If you are use to and like shooting primes stick with them and try zooms later.
    I am basically an available light shooter. If pushed, I would have to say mostly outdoors. But also indoors in so far as travel photography indoor
    might be considered.

    Interesting that you mention the af issues of the canon. That is something
    that needs to be factored in.

    I shoot nikon and M8. I do not enlarge poster size. Just something not too big for family and friends.

    Thank you for your thoughts. Much appreciated.

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    Re: Looking for advice, please.

    hey, I am doing well.
    I lost my facility for focus with rangefinders over time as my astigmatism progressed, so I looked for alternatives.
    So despite the fact that I loved it, My M8 just had to go.
    I do not share Davids's feelings about low light and the 5DII. It is true that all of the AF points do not hold up in REAL low light but the center seems fine to me for most purposes, nonetheless, I find I can focus a ground glass better than a rangefinder anyway some from time to time manual focus is what I use.

    I have ben pleasantly surprised with the micro 4/3 stuff, and it is gaining a larger share of my use when I do not expect to need to make prints larger than 16.5 by 22. Best of all it is light and small enough so it tends to stay with me whereas the Canon and Phase gear take malice and forethought.
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    I was just shooting in the day in a heavily shaded outdoors. The outer focus points on the 5d did not work at all. The inner point was hit and miss. I had to go back to my car for my 1d mk1v to shoot the portrait. I am thinking of getting a a brightscreen split image screen and try shootitng manual focus with the 5d. Also the 5d mk11 is a no go for any concert work with a tele lens and af
    PS the 35 85 and 135 L lenses are very nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by dseelig View Post
    I was just shooting in the day in a heavily shaded outdoors. The outer focus points on the 5d did not work at all. The inner point was hit and miss. I had to go back to my car for my 1d mk1v to shoot the portrait. I am thinking of getting a a brightscreen split image screen and try shootitng manual focus with the 5d. Also the 5d mk11 is a no go for any concert work with a tele lens and af
    PS the 35 85 and 135 L lenses are very nice
    True, concerts are way darker than what I usually shoot.
    I have shot some ballet and found the stage lighting to be enough for that venue.
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    rayyan, I hope this message find you well.

    I like to take a different angle to this scenario that you are presenting:

    In some similarity to you, I am also a Canon, Leica and Zeiss optic user. The Canon AF lens that I like to use are: 1.4/35L, 1.0/50L, 1.2/50L, 1.2/85L, 2/135L, 1.8/200L. My choice of the Canon lens are fast lens so I can avoid high ISO setting. Despite I love these lenses I still like to use my Leica and Zeiss lens in manual focus mode on the Canon DSLR camera. The manual focus mechanism is enhanced with zoom live view. The live view screen not only help my vision for accuracy but also reduce mirror slapping vibration in slow shutter speed. I put a strong magnifier on the LCD screen to further help my vision but also allow me to use it as a stabilizing point for slower shutter speeds. I hope that you can optimize your protocol to allow you extending your time using the lens of your choice.

    Best Regards,
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    Low contrast lighting is just a killer for af on the 5d mk11

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    Hi Mr. Son. I am well. Thanks for asking. I hope you are well.

    I am sorry I saw your post just now. Very interesting take sir.

    Zf choice I find very interesting.

    Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pham Minh Son View Post
    rayyan, I hope this message find you well.

    I like to take a different angle to this scenario that you are presenting:

    In some similarity to you, I am also a Canon, Leica and Zeiss optic user. The Canon AF lens that I like to use are: 1.4/35L, 1.0/50L, 1.2/50L, 1.2/85L, 2/135L, 1.8/200L. My choice of the Canon lens are fast lens so I can avoid high ISO setting. Despite I love these lenses I still like to use my Leica and Zeiss lens in manual focus mode on the Canon DSLR camera. The manual focus mechanism is enhanced with zoom live view. The live view screen not only help my vision for accuracy but also reduce mirror slapping vibration in slow shutter speed. I put a strong magnifier on the LCD screen to further help my vision but also allow me to use it as a stabilizing point for slower shutter speeds. I hope that you can optimize your protocol to allow you extending your time using the lens of your choice.

    Best Regards,
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    Gentlemen, I am grateful to all of you for providing me with your experience based suggestions.

    I am confused.

    I am not sure what to do. I used to tell my junior managers that not making a decision ( based on considered advice and experience ) is also a valid and maybe an appropriate decision in circumstances.

    I think I shall follow that advice in this instance.

    Once again thank you all.

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    Well, while I am enamored of rangefinders and saving for an m9, dollar for dollar the Canon5d2 is hard to beat. I use only 3 lenses, the 16-35, the sigma 50 1.4 ( a dreamy lens for normal fov), and Canon's arguably best lens, the 85 1.2. I had and loved the 135 f2, but the 85 blows it away... If you are a portrait and people shooter, get the 85. You won't regret it over the 135. Rob

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    I recently purchased a Zacuto finder for my 5D2. It magnifies the LCD screen while blocking out all peripheral light. It's optics are very good. With Live View, and especially zoom and pan, I can check to see that everything, all the way to the corners, is in focus. It's also great for shooting focus stacks.

    The clarity of the Zacuto and Canon Live View together give me the same feeling of enjoyment that I had using my Hasselblad 501.

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    My main lenses are all those you list, except the 24. If you prefer 100mm, you might find the 135 too long. I certainly do, but it's so wonderful that I adjust. I occasionally use the 24-105, mainly at the wide end, but I could do without it.

    If you can live with only primes, the zoom doesn't seem necessary. If I were you, I'd start with the primes and see what else you need.

    If you shoot street or want to travel light, you might want to consider one light, fast prime, such as the 50 1.4 or 35 2.0. Every kit needs one light weight lens, I think.

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    The Nikon 135DC f2 is a wonderful lens, at least on film.

    My only foray into digital has been the Canon S90, which I enjoyed until the dreaded "lens error" message popped up indicating that my $400 camera was done without a $200 repair. That was 6 months after I bought it.

    I learned from the repairman that these errors are way too common with Canon zooms, and I've taken the cure and pledged to stick with Nikon for my 35mm needs.

    Just my experience, but a very irritating one.

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