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    Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    What else could ZE stand for?

    http://www.zeiss.com/photo

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    Nothing makes more sense that being eos mount. Exciting, very. 16 or 21 mp possible for new Canons this fall (besides 1Ds3). Match this camera to gaijin glass. Marriage made in heaven.

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    What else could ZE stand for?

    http://www.zeiss.com/photo

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    Yes, it must be!!

    Just wonder if they'll do any of the Contax N zooms?
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    How disappointed will you all be if it is Zeiss Exakta? Kidding kidding...
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    Or for there own camera. LOL
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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    Quote Originally Posted by asabet View Post
    What else could ZE stand for?

    http://www.zeiss.com/photo
    Olympus E series of course

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    It will require a substantial redesign of the aperture mechanism from fully manually activated to electronic. Maybe that's why it took them so long. A 2/50 Macro on my 1DsIII would be tempting. Let's hope you're right

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    I have a 50/2 enroute (Nikon mount nat). I will be the ZF line's last attempt to impress (think many of the line are over-priced re: performance). Got a good deal on a demo, so if I like it and stay Canon, I'll swap it for a ZE copy (assuming ZE is what common sense would dictate..)

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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    I have a 50/2 enroute (Nikon mount nat). I will be the ZF line's last attempt to impress (think many of the line are over-priced re: performance). Got a good deal on a demo, so if I like it and stay Canon, I'll swap it for a ZE copy (assuming ZE is what common sense would dictate..)
    have you tried the 100/2 MakroPlanar yet? I've played around with it and it rivels the Hassey 110/2, with the added benefit of being a macro lens

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    I've owned the 35/2 (twice) and the 100/2.

    35/2 - probably the 2nd best after (if it lives up to rep re: CA correction) the 50/2. Sharp, etc, etc - nice bokeh BUT like most of the ZF line prone to PF and not as well-corrected for CA as one would hope. That said, a clean USED 35/2 goes for under $700 which is pretty good. I know Arne H had at least one bum copy of the 35 ZF, but mine, mechanically were fine.

    100/2 - Sharp as hell, but will PF and more prone to CA at wider apertures than $1500 price, IMHO, would justify (the CV 125 APO and a used Leica 100 macro are the same $$ or less and just as sharp with true APO behavior).

    Like some other users of the 100/2, my copy had a focus ring that was the stiffest I've ever experienced - twisting it was like trying to stir wet cement with a stick. Popflash indicated that the 100's focus ring is the top compliant they get about the ZF line. If the 100 was APO and mechanical QC was better it would be a barn burner.

    The Hassy 110/2 is sweet (need to re-acquire one) and while not APO by any means has that 'old school' Zeiss mechanics, etc that make it so (justifiably) respected.

    Depending how Photokina shapes up re; new offerings from Zeiss and CV, and if I make a switch to Nikon I may look at a used 35/2 again or 28/2 for more up-close interior shots - as much as the 28 can show some nasty CA in the classic tree branches against backlighting situations.

    I have the CV 90/3.5 and 180/4 APOs and for the $$$ (under $500 ea) they're are barn burners vs what I think Zeiss/Cosina is asking for some of the ZF units. Cosina managed to put APO correction, uber-sharp performance and creamy bokeh in three of their 'bargain' SL lenses (90, 180 and 125 - at original price); there is no reason wny Zeiss/Cosina could/should not have done the same.

    Maybe my expectations are too high, but for what is likely just over a $1000 average price per ZF lens.....

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    What is PF?

    As for the 110/2 -- the best thing about it is that it covers 6x6 rather than 35mm. On 6x6 it looks and feels like the 75/1.4 summilux, only sharper and with better tonality. Bokeh is even.

    As for the 100mm f/2 ZF -- I liked it a lot. I agree that it had a bit too much CA, but that was mostly wide open. Stopped down to f/2.8 or f/4 and it is was pretty much gone. The only other thing I did not like is that it focused backwards -- Nikon manual focus is a real pain in the *** for that reason. I am sure the Canon version won't have that, so no worries there.
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    PF - purple (and, on occasion, green) fringing (used on 1Ds2)

    Should have the 50/2 on Tuesday, looking fwd to seeing how it stands up - there is every indication that (in part due to rumored ED glass) it should be impressive. Was reluctant to purchase after my prior experience, but price was right, so decided it was worth a spin around the block.

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    Rob, I'm looking forward to get your impressions of the 2/50 ZF, reportedly this is one of the top performers in the new Zeiss line. For Nikon I don't need it since I have an outstanding Ais 2,8/55 Micro Nikkor, but I've been missing a 50 macro with auto stop-down for Canon since I sold the (rather bland) 2,5/50 Canon Macro.
    I have btw a quite good 2/35 ZF Distagon now, not sure if it really outresolves the D3, but microcontrast and colours seem excellent.

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    What the ZFs provide for me is that 3D feel and wonderfully consistant Zeiss color ... that, and the tactile feel and look of the build quality justify the price IMHO. None of my V/Cs, while great for the money, deliver those same qualities. If Zeiss would deliver a 180 or 200 ZF I'd be all over it to complete the collection.

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    Arne

    Lens SHOULD be here today. Glad to hear you finally got a nice 35/2 after he issues you had.

    I actually just sold a Nikon 55 micro - was nice enough lens, but just didn't do anything for me. I think sometimes you just take (or don't take) to a lens.

    Marc,

    The ZF's do have that older Zeiss 3D effect in many cases, consistent color, etc. I just wished, for the $$$, they'd focus on using more ED glass and would tighten-up the mechanical QC -- it's FAR better than say Canon's, but could still use some tweaking.

    Without a doubt part of the 'designed for a price point' aspect of the CVs is the build-quality and 'feel' vs ZF. It's good, but lack IF and just not as smooth and sophisticated as the Zeiss line. That said for 1/3 or 1/2 what some ZF units cost, I'll sacrifice some handling aspects for given their optical performance. If they were closer in price and I didn't 'need' APO....

    I'd be very surprised if you didn't see Zeiss/Cosina expand the FL range of the Z_ lines.

    As for ZE - the more auto-stop down lenses we have for Canon the better. It finally gives us 'easy' alternatives and might help kick Canon in the *** to get their lens QC act together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Arne

    Lens SHOULD be here today. Glad to hear you finally got a nice 35/2 after he issues you had.

    I actually just sold a Nikon 55 micro - was nice enough lens, but just didn't do anything for me. I think sometimes you just take (or don't take) to a lens.

    Marc,

    The ZF's do have that older Zeiss 3D effect in many cases, consistent color, etc. I just wished, for the $$$, they'd focus on using more ED glass and would tighten-up the mechanical QC -- it's FAR better than say Canon's, but could still use some tweaking.

    Without a doubt part of the 'designed for a price point' aspect of the CVs is the build-quality and 'feel' vs ZF. It's good, but lack IF and just not as smooth and sophisticated as the Zeiss line. That said for 1/3 or 1/2 what some ZF units cost, I'll sacrifice some handling aspects for given their optical performance. If they were closer in price and I didn't 'need' APO....

    I'd be very surprised if you didn't see Zeiss/Cosina expand the FL range of the Z_ lines.

    As for ZE - the more auto-stop down lenses we have for Canon the better. It finally gives us 'easy' alternatives and might help kick Canon in the *** to get their lens QC act together.
    Like I said, my ZFs all have been stellar QC (except the 18's hood is too tight) ... and I'd hazard a quess that if the ZFs had been ASPHs & APOs they'd be more than I'd want to pay for manual focus lenses on a digital camera. New Leica Rs are all over 3K ... some well over that ... which is more than I'd want to pay that's for darn sure.

    ZFs are a decent compromise IMHO ... in most cases, better than Nikon Primes, MUCH better than Canon W/As ... so a decent value to get that Zeiss pop and color. The V/C are also a great value ... but to my eye lack the certain something ... so for me were a waste of money since I used them once ... lauded their ability for the money ... then rarely or never used them again That is something I really need to stop doing.

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    I'm lost on this. Is this confirmed or rumor. Links
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    A rumor that most are treating as a fait accompli ;>

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    A teaser on the Zeiss site; ZE lenses are coming, but what does the E represent? Canon EF? Olympus E System? Or what else?
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    Olympus is my bet
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    The original ZE mount was for Mamiya SLR's in the 1970's and 80's. What if the new ZE mount was for the Mamiya/Phase One cameras? After all, Zeiss is a little short on medium format customers these days, and "ZM" was already taken by their Leica M lenses...

    Seriously, I think that ZE will be for EOS. What's interesting is that Canon must have given their OK. This means that they probably aren't comfortable with the fact that people are buying Nikon-mount lenses to use on their EOS's. After all, if Nikon releases a body with 25MP+, what's to stop all of the Zeiss customers from buying it? Their lenses already fit, and they won't need to do the stop-down dance anymore. The best thing for Canon to do is to let Zeiss use their mount. They will lose a few lens sales, but that's better than losing both lens and body sales.

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    Heck i will take it in a mamiya mount in a heart beat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm lost on this. Is this confirmed or rumor. Links
    Sorry, I should have stated that this was a rumor in the OP. The official announcement will be coming on Sept 15th.

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    Thanks Amin. We sit and wait now. LOL
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    It'll be interesting if Canon allowed this. I doubt it, but you never know.

    Maybe these lenses are for the vaporware MF Nikon ... ! E stands for Enormous

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    Wasn't the ZE a 35mm Mamiya SLR mount from the 1980's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    Wasn't the ZE a 35mm Mamiya SLR mount from the 1980's?
    Yep. The lenses were pretty good too. Rollei sold some of them as Rolleinar's for their own 35mm SLR mount.
    Given this history, it's obvious that a Zeiss ZE mount could only be for Mamiya.

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    My question is if Canon has to give permission or not? There are Tamron and Sigma lenses available in EOS mount. Did canon have to give permission? I suspect they can be cooperative or not and if not making it more difficult to accomplish making such a lens but I have always wondered if by law they have to give permission. Does anyone know for sure?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    It'll be interesting if Canon allowed this. I doubt it, but you never know.

    Maybe these lenses are for the vaporware MF Nikon ... ! E stands for Enormous

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    I have read that it is not the mount that has a patent on it, but the software specifications for the lens to talk to the camera. Sigma reverse engineered, Tamron paid the license fee. Note also that you never hear of older Tamron models not working on newer Canons, while it was a common problem with Sigma.

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    I guess it is not illegal to reverse engineer then since I suspect if it was an issue Canon would sue. With the problems with canon lenses, especially the wide angles, it seems like it would be cost effective for Zeiss to reverse engineer.

    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    I have read that it is not the mount that has a patent on it, but the software specifications for the lens to talk to the camera. Sigma reverse engineered, Tamron paid the license fee. Note also that you never hear of older Tamron models not working on newer Canons, while it was a common problem with Sigma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    I have read that it is not the mount that has a patent on it, but the software specifications for the lens to talk to the camera. Sigma reverse engineered, Tamron paid the license fee. Note also that you never hear of older Tamron models not working on newer Canons, while it was a common problem with Sigma.
    I gotta agree with that. I have a Sigma 105 Macro.
    The lens is sharper than any L glass I own.
    worked fine on D60 and 20D no auto focus on 5D and 1Ds II.

    Which leads me to this. If these new lenses are not auto focus wouldn't it be a waste of money to buy the license from Canon?

    I mean reverse engineering the App would be simple compared to the auto focus system.
    And since this would be for a small target group the license cost would be passed on to the customer.

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    Today's the day before the big announcement. Check this out. New Zeiss 21 Distagon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by asabet View Post
    Today's the day before the big announcement. Check this out. New Zeiss 21 Distagon!
    wow.. Nice find.
    Prices look good too..

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    Best photo news of the year so far!
    Zeiss 21 and 85 plus new 5D2 will keep me very happy while I wait for medium format digital backs (new, used or refurbished) to come with sensitive prices. Have a great full moon everybody!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homey View Post
    wow.. Nice find.
    Prices look good too..

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    There are enough good canon lenses in the 85mm focal range but the 21mm is a good idea...

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    To All. This is wonderful news...

    Canon goes Zeiss

    "Neue Objektive von Zeiss jetzt auch mit EF-Bajonett New lenses from Zeiss now with EF bayonet 2008-09-15 Im Moment kommt man als Besitzer einer Canon-SLR bei Zeiss noch nicht besonders weit. 2008-09-15 At the moment you as the owner of a Canon SLR with Zeiss still not very far. Auf der Website gibt es bei den Objektiven keine Rubrik für Canon und das EF-Bajonett. On the website there are no lenses in the Canon and heading for the EF bayonet. Das soll sich ab Herbst 2008 ändern, und den Anfang machen die bereits bekannten Planar-Objektive T*1,4/50 ZE und T*1,4/85 ZE. That should change from autumn 2008, and the beginning make the already known lenses Planar T * 1.4 / 50 ZE and T * 1.4 / 85 PA. Außerdem wird der Klassiker Distagon T*2,8/21 nun auch für F- und K-Bajonett verfügbar. In addition, the classic Dist Agon T * 2.8 / 21 now for R-and K-bayonet. Später soll auch ein EF-Anschluss dazu kommen. Later is also an EF connection to come."

    The 21mm F2.8 will be priced at around $2000.00 USD and available by the end of the year. Very nice!

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    Announced today, Canon/Zeiss mounts but EF mounts, not EOS mounts. Sad really.


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    Quote Originally Posted by neils View Post
    Announced today, Canon/Zeiss mounts but EF mounts, not EOS mounts. Sad really.


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    Yep. Sad given the state of Canon wides.

    But as I mentioned, an EOS version was unlikely ... it's still a protected mount, and the quantity of MF lenses that would be sold probably didn't justify a license or engineering needed for data bus contacts ... since Canon doesn't have a firmware provision to program in non CPU lenses like the Nikon D3/D700/D300 do.

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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    The new ZE's give full exif data, auto aperture, focus confirm, E-TTL support, etc... Basic data is up on the Zeiss website. I know some are bitching about a lack of an aperture ring, but other than AF (which was never really in the cards), don't know what else someone would need.

    While I still prefer Leica glass by a small margin (it's a contrast thing), it looks like they're offering what people wanted - albeit at modestly higher prices vs the ZF versions and with gradual introduction.

    From Zeiss:

    "Carl Zeiss is expanding its successful line of SLR lenses: ZE lenses with EF bayonet for all analog and digital EOS camera models. As with all EF lenses, the new ZE lenses from Carl Zeiss transfer all information exclusively via electronic contacts. This means that all exposure modes such as programmed auto exposure, shutter priority, aperture priority and manual setting are supported. The camera’s automatic focus confirmation also remains available to an unlimited extent with these manual focus lenses. With digital SLRs, the lens data and all exposure data can also be accessed via the camera’s EXIF file. Even E-TTL flash metering is supported."
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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    Completely agree.
    Its a line of manual focus lenses of very high quality without the need for an adaptor and all the issues that entails such as stop down metering, focus problems, etc, etc.

    The full exif information also means that a programme such as dxo optics will be able to write 100% accurate correction software for distortion and CA for these lenses giving auto corrections at the touch of a button.

    So for interior and or architectural work, not to mention landscape, do they not provide the perfect primes for a 35mm canon body?

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    Excellent news, with full exif even better than anticipated. No need to manually input focal length and max aperture as on a Nikon body.
    No words on availability of ZE 18,25,28,35 and the 50&100 macros though. Probably translates to 2009...

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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    Where's the 21/2.8 Distagon?

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    IRC - early 2009 intro (21/2.8).

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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    Where's the 21/2.8 Distagon?
    Have a look here:
    http://www.digitalkamera.de/Meldung/...nett/5111.aspx

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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    Well this is better than I thought. When I read EF mount my mind went to the old F1 style mount. But they do fit EOS cameras film and digital, my error. This is good for Canon shooters. Bye bye adapters.

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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    Just got official word from our Zeiss rep. The new ZE 50 f/1.4 and 85 f/1.4 will be available starting in December 2008. Fully compatible in all shooting modes (PSAM) means no more stop-down metering. The 21 and 18 are coming next.... then the rest of the ZF line will be converted over to ZE.

    $660 for the 50mm and $1170 for the 85mm.

    Taking pre-orders.... I'll put up a link to our store a little later. In the meantime, you could just send me a PM if you want one.

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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    Any idea of the cost and time frame of the 100 Macro?

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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    Hello Forum, this is my first post.

    last week in Berlin

    Attachment 8938

    already available for just € 970

    Attachment 8939

    a nice lens, isnt it ?

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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    That is pretty. Post some pics when you can!

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    Re: Zeiss ZE coming to an EOS mount near you

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    A teaser on the Zeiss site; ZE lenses are coming, but what does the E represent? Canon EF? Olympus E System? Or what else?
    Maybe "electronic"?

    At any rate, the "green dot" focus confirmation is useless: Zeiss ZE 85mm f/1.4 Planar for Canon EOS focus problem

    (I've shot dozens of examples and cross checked against EF 85/1.2L and 85/1.8, it's the ZE with an issue). Stick with by-eye focus but then beware of stopping down. It's a hard lens to shoot, but results are nice, different from EF, like ice cream flavors.

    It appears to be due to the fact that the AF system "sees" the angle of view seen at f/5.6, and therefore when shooting at wide aperture (f/1.4), front focus due to spherical aberration occurs. Maybe—it's so far off that it's a bit hard to believe, especially since Zeiss has told me that the 85/1.4 Planar has the least focus shift (caused by S.A.) of Canon/Nikon/Leica near infinity.

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