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    [QUOTE=ustein;395136]The Canon 5D Mark II is a good camera. To get the best out of it you need good lenses (zooms) and they cost and are big/heavy. The same holds true for the Mark III.


    Why would anyone bother to spend $3500 to get one more megapixel of resolution over the 5D2? Especially when Nikon just came out with a 36MP camera without an AA filter?

    Looks like the brain-deads have gained the upper hand at Canon.

    Fortunately, I purchased a lot of the Zeiss primes when they first came out in Nikon mounts. Now I can dump the Canon adapters and get the most out of the lenses with the new D800E.

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    The Canon 5D Mark II is a good camera. To get the best out of it you need good lenses (zooms) and they cost and are big/heavy. The same holds true for the Mark III.


    Why would anyone bother to spend $3500 to get one more megapixel of resolution over the 5D2? Especially when Nikon just came out with a 36MP camera without an AA filter?

    Looks like the brain-deads have gained the upper hand at Canon.

    Fortunately, I purchased a lot of the Zeiss primes when they first came out in Nikon mounts. Now I can dump the Canon adapters and get the most out of the lenses with the new D800E.
    Maybe a lot of "brain dead" photographers don't want a 36 meg 35mm DSLR ... are satisfied with 22 meg, but would prefer a 5 series camera with better AF, dual card slots, better metering, better LCD, ect. etc. Whether that is worth $3,500 to Canon shooters remains to be seen.
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    Marc,

    It's not worth $3,500.00 to this Canon shooter. I was waiting to purchase the next 5D iteration, but I'm going to pass on this one. Time will have to tell whether the metering and better AF actually work as advertised. Who cares about dual card slots and better LCD?

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    Marc,

    It's not worth $3,500.00 to this Canon shooter. I was waiting to purchase the next 5D iteration, but I'm going to pass on this one. Time will have to tell whether the metering and better AF actually work as advertised. Who cares about dual card slots and better LCD?

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    Wedding shooters care. Corporate and event shooters care. Portrait shooters care. Kid photographers care. Pet photographers care. That is a major market for this camera, and I'd say the 5D/5D-II is the most used camera for these applications in the history of that industry segment. Reaction on the DWF (one of the world's largest Wedding/Portrait Photographer's sites) is looking quite positive ...lots of comments like "the perfect wedding camera". Jeff Ascough, one of the top wedding shooters in the world was a beta tester, and has written and illustrated a blog touting that the camera lives up to the hype. I know him, and if he says so, it is usually on the money.

    Whether Canon have mis-priced this camera is TBD. Since they are devoting two factories to production, they seem to have pre-deterimned demand ... if that is a mis-calculation, it will be revealed in the coming year.

    BTW, the same caveats can be said about the Nikon D800 ... time will tell whether those features reach up to the promise that the marking touts. Wedding shooters are far less impressed with the D800 so far.

    I do not have a horse in this race ... but if I did, my application driven money would go to Canon ... a 1DX and a 5D-III with some f/1.2 lenses.

    However, my pair of Sony A900s are more than enough. So I will remain just a casual observer of the 100 year Canon/Nikon war

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    I pre ordered, I need this camera.
    I need the dual card slots (wish they were both CF).
    I think the improved AF will be great.
    I like the locking control nob.
    I like the improved LCD.
    I don't need more mega-pixels in 35mm.
    I like the improved sensor and processors.

    For my purposes Canon addressed a lot of my concerns and improved the camera significantly. I also pre ordered the 24/70L II for the same reason.

    This camera will be a welcome addition to my tool chest, and I will use when I think it fits the assignment. The original 5D was great, the 5DII was great, the 5DIII looks like a winner too.

    Works for me, literally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Whether Canon have mis-priced this camera is TBD. Since they are devoting two factories to production, they seem to have pre-deterimned demand ... if that is a mis-calculation, it will be revealed in the coming year.

    BTW, the same caveats can be said about the Nikon D800 ... time will tell whether those features reach up to the promise that the marking touts. Wedding shooters are far less impressed with the D800 so far.

    I do not have a horse in this race ... but if I did, my application driven money would go to Canon ... a 1DX and a 5D-III with some f/1.2 lenses.

    However, my pair of Sony A900s are more than enough. So I will remain just a casual observer of the 100 year Canon/Nikon war

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    I'm inclined to agree with you though - the 5dMIII is just the cameras for events/weddings etc. where you don't really need more resolution, and you certainly don't need the extra processing time that entails. My only doubt is how many such shooters need to spend the extra money to update their (already functional) 5DmII.

    The Nikon 800 is a more adventurous camera though, and needs to find a place in the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    My only doubt is how many such shooters need to spend the extra money to update their (already functional) 5DmII.
    My friend at the camera store here in Alaska said some of the people who had preordered a 5D Mark III months ago have called to cancel their order. They have received very few new orders since the 5D3 was announced. Not a good sign for Canon on this one.

    I will buy one if the real world autofocus performance is roughly equivalent to a 1D4 and when the price drops to $3k or less. For me, something in the 20-24mp range on a FF sensor seems like the "sweet spot".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    My friend at the camera store here in Alaska said some of the people who had preordered a 5D Mark III months ago have called to cancel their order. They have received very few new orders since the 5D3 was announced. Not a good sign for Canon on this one.

    I will buy one if the real world autofocus performance is roughly equivalent to a 1D4 and when the price drops to $3k or less. For me, something in the 20-24mp range on a FF sensor seems like the "sweet spot".

    Gary
    I've cancelled mine elsewhere too, and ordered from B&H, and have done likewise with other places that help ship faster like amazon.com. Personally I don't think this means a lot! These are isolated local regions, and doesn't express the whole picture globally! Just my opinion!

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    The impression I have is that these people cancelled because they were disappointed with the price or camera itself, not because they could get the camera sooner from an online retailer......otherwise, why bother pre-ordering from the local shop in the first place?

    Generally speaking, people here order from the one and only local camera shop in order to support the local business. Most of the photographers I know who buy locally don't switch to an online store just because they could get it a little sooner or for a few dollars cheaper.

    The key point (which I didn't mention in the first post) is that there were no similar cancellations for the 1Dx, D4 or D800.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    The impression I have is that these people cancelled because they were disappointed with the price or camera itself, not because they could get the camera sooner from an online retailer......otherwise, why bother pre-ordering from the local shop in the first place?

    Generally speaking, people here order from the one and only local camera shop in order to support the local business. Most of the photographers I know who buy locally don't switch to an online store just because they could get it a little sooner or for a few dollars cheaper.

    The key point (which I didn't mention in the first post) is that there were no similar cancellations for the 1Dx, D4 or D800.

    Gary
    I can definitely understand that. It seems to me on paper the D800 is more value for money since both the Nikon and Canon have increased in price and this is purely that Nikon is now offering video and much much higher MP. Where as Canon with the Mark III seems like the same camera but just better!

    My point is that while most people who have cancelled for a variety of reasons at your local camera shop, it still doesn't represent the camera sales globally. I can still ponder that sales of the 5D Mark III will sell more than the 1DX and D4 overall. If I'm wrong.... well shocking!

    Even though I have pre-ordered the Camera myself, even I feel it is a steep climb in price, especially in this economy! My wife just told me not to sell my 5D Mark 2 because she'd like a camera that's her's to use if I'm out with the Mark III. I mean the 5D2 is still a good camera, if the new ones are too steep! Hence why both Nikon and Canon will still continue the last generation line for both cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    I can still ponder that sales of the 5D Mark III will sell more than the 1DX and D4 overall. If I'm wrong.... well shocking!
    I'm sure you will be right about that.....of course, the 1DX and D4 are priced a few thousand dollars more than the 5D3, so one could reasonably predict that sales of those expensive pro cameras will (and have been) much lower than the 5D series cameras.

    The real question is....how many people will opt to buy a D800 instead of a 5D3 or just stick with their 5D2 instead of upgrading to the 5D3? Quite a few, I think.....which is why the cancellation of pre-orders for the 5D3 should be a warning signal for Canon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    I'm sure you will be right about that.....of course, the 1DX and D4 are priced a few thousand dollars more than the 5D3, so one could reasonably predict that sales of those expensive pro cameras will (and have been) much lower than the 5D series cameras.

    The real question is....how many people will opt to buy a D800 instead of a 5D3 or just stick with their 5D2 instead of upgrading to the 5D3? Quite a few, I think.....which is why the cancellation of pre-orders for the 5D3 should be a warning signal for Canon.

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    I agree with the contention that some cancellations at local camera stores doesn't mean much in the over-all scheme of Canon's global marketing. In a different thread here, someone said the 5D-III is the most pre-ordered camera on Amazon ... after the price announcement. I'd bet that Amazon sources nearly as much if not more camera sales than all of the N. American local brick and mortar speciality retailers combined ... (of the 5 retail camera stores in my area, only one is left, and is struggling to just stay on the endangered species list).

    I also seriously doubt that people with a 5D-II will abandon their entire system to move to Nikon because of the D800 for a number of reasons ... no matter how shrewd you are at buying and selling, systems swap is a major financial undertaking and people with a 5D-II most likely have much more than just a kit lens in their Canon system ... plus this notion of swapping is predicated on more meg as the primary driving difference ... which is the primary reason the huge wedding/event/portrait market is NOT enthralled with the D800 including Nikon system shooters.

    I personally know 8 different Canon shooters ... none of them are thrilled with the price increase, 5 of them are still getting the new one.

    In regard to video, anyone who moved to the Canon 5D-II for serious video work also most likely has a bundle in ancillary video accessories for Canon application.

    I simply see this relentless D800 comparison as further evidence of a myopic obsession with meg count as the price/value determinator ... as opposed to the over-all performance package and enhancement to one's chosen system. The list of one new innovation after another in the 5D-II is impressive IMO ... and so far I see zero advantage in IQ from the D800 unless one makes 30 X 40+ prints like a professional landscape fine artist ... who would be better off using a used MFD kit IMHO.

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    Quite an improvement on the 5Dmk2 in areas of Video AF.
    Both 5Dmk2/3 are great bodies and great IQ and interface way up from the 5DMk1
    The Mk2 is still listed .. makes the Mk1 a boat Anchour

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
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    I'm inclined to agree with you though - the 5dMIII is just the cameras for events/weddings etc. where you don't really need more resolution, and you certainly don't need the extra processing time that entails. My only doubt is how many such shooters need to spend the extra money to update their (already functional) 5DmII.

    The Nikon 800 is a more adventurous camera though, and needs to find a place in the market.
    Do you Actually shoot with the 5DMk2 ?? buddy ??
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    Do you Actually shoot with the 5DMk2 ?? buddy ??
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    Do you Actually shoot with the 5DMk2 ?? buddy ??
    No - like Marc I use Leica's and A900s for weddings (but unlike Marc I don't use an S2).
    But I know wedding shooters who do, (buddies you might say). I understand the parameters well enough.

    . . . I guess you're implying that I should be keeping my mouth shut? I recognise the tone, but I'm not certain about the criticism.

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    Only can reiterate - I am deeply disappointed with the 5DM3!

    No way I would buy it, especially if you look at the capabilities of the D800 / D800E and in combination for high ISO D4.

    Simply this shoots Canon directly into the knee

    Not sure if a company like Canon relying on Marketing people to design their next model will be so successful in the future

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    No - like Marc I use Leica's and A900s for weddings (but unlike Marc I don't use an S2).
    But I know wedding shooters who do, (buddies you might say). I understand the parameters well enough.

    . . . I guess you're implying that I should be keeping my mouth shut? I recognise the tone, but I'm not certain about the criticism.

    all the best
    I can never understand why NOT owning gear doesn't make one qualified for an useful opinion. I certainly think I value as much opinion as possible, and usually those who own the gear don't necessarily give back something useful.

    You know... like the handful of photos showing Leica shooter with lens caps on

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    Only can reiterate - I am deeply disappointed with the 5DM3!

    No way I would buy it, especially if you look at the capabilities of the D800 / D800E and in combination for high ISO D4.

    Simply this shoots Canon directly into the knee

    Not sure if a company like Canon relying on Marketing people to design their next model will be so successful in the future
    Hi Ptmosu,

    I know you keep saying and certainly no one has made it as clear as you, Yes you win

    Seriously though, what is the one thing that specifically disappoints you with the 5D Mark III?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    I can never understand why NOT owning gear doesn't make one qualified for an useful opinion. I certainly think I value as much opinion as possible, and usually those who own the gear don't necessarily give back something useful.
    Well, if we exclude those who don't own a 5D mkIII from this thread it would be a quieter and sadder place!
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    You know... like the handful of photos showing Leica shooter with lens caps on
    One thing is certain - there isn't a serious Leica shooter who hasn't taken a photo with the lens cap on -:face smack:
    Although you might say that being fotogaphed in the fauxpas is a little careless!

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    The new 5DIII makes a lot of sense if we would know that they are working on something bigger, meaning bigger format. Otherwise it is a little against the history and nature of Canon to be content with a second place behind Nikon.

    Not meaning that more MP is necessarrily better in 24x36, but for marketing reasons alone, I cannot believe they are content. But who knows, times are always changing.

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    It's funny isn't it? Last time around, Nikon launched the D700 with more or less half the number of pixels and no video while Canon came up with the 5D Mk II. Did that make the D700 a failure? Far from it. Even after the Sony A850 entered the market with twice the megapixel count at 60-70% of the price, the D700 continued to enjoy healthy sales.

    Now, Canon seem to have corrected many of the shortcomings of the Mark II, but without upping the MPs to new, dizzying levels, and suddenly 36MP is "needed" by a surprising number of photographers. Or is "Camera Owners" the correct term?
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    Really wasn't so interested in Canon as I abandoned my Canon gear in 2008. It seems like they get it now. It's not about the MP race or the bragging rights of who puts out the most "horsepower." I am mildly curious in investing in a dSLR system again to compliment the M9 for the long stuff and macro. The NEX has been a decent work around for adapters but if I'm going to have a full size lens hanging off the 5D Mk. II looks like a great buy given the price drop. It's a incremental price premium over the Sony A77 kit or NEX 7 kit I was was looking at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    Hi Ptmosu,

    I know you keep saying and certainly no one has made it as clear as you, Yes you win

    Seriously though, what is the one thing that specifically disappoints you with the 5D Mark III?

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    Most disappointing for me is that Canon did not manage to increase the MP count in a decent way - say at least 28 - 30 MP. For me this is a pretty clear sign that the marketing guys have won inside Canon, as they would have been able to build a camera similar to the D800 technology wise, but did not because they are just listening to all the customer feedback - mainly from all the Nay-sayers.

    Besides that I do not see anything else really exciting from the 5D3 especially nothing which would not have been already available from Nikon. Leaders have changed obviously, who would have believed this 4 years ago?

    Ah - I know now will come the answer about high ISO - well I DO NOT NEED nor intend to use ISO above 12800. I am not a professional voyeur and have otherwise simply no need for such high ISO. Back in film days I was more than happy with ISO 800 and excited about ISO 1600 - so there is no pint for me going higher than I mentioned.

    Anyway have fun with the 5D3.

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    Hi Ptmosu,

    I know you keep saying and certainly no one has made it as clear as you, Yes you win

    Seriously though, what is the one thing that specifically disappoints you with the 5D Mark III?

    Thanks
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    There is nothing dissapointing about this camera from specs and reviews so far, except no interchangeable screens. Let's hope the fixed screen is good enough for manual focussing.

    However, it is unusual for Canon to get into a more conservative role and improve on already proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Wedding shooters care. Corporate and event shooters care. Portrait shooters care. Kid photographers care. Pet photographers care. That is a major market for this camera, and I'd say the 5D/5D-II is the most used camera for these applications in the history of that industry segment. Reaction on the DWF (one of the world's largest Wedding/Portrait Photographer's sites) is looking quite positive ...lots of comments like "the perfect wedding camera". Jeff Ascough, one of the top wedding shooters in the world was a beta tester, and has written and illustrated a blog touting that the camera lives up to the hype. I know him, and if he says so, it is usually on the money.

    Whether Canon have mis-priced this camera is TBD. Since they are devoting two factories to production, they seem to have pre-deterimned demand ... if that is a mis-calculation, it will be revealed in the coming year.

    BTW, the same caveats can be said about the Nikon D800 ... time will tell whether those features reach up to the promise that the marking touts. Wedding shooters are far less impressed with the D800 so far.

    I do not have a horse in this race ... but if I did, my application driven money would go to Canon ... a 1DX and a 5D-III with some f/1.2 lenses.

    However, my pair of Sony A900s are more than enough. So I will remain just a casual observer of the 100 year Canon/Nikon war

    -Marc
    Marc,

    As usual, you are probably right. However, I would rather have a root canal than shoot another wedding. And I did say, "this Canon shooter". From my perspective Canon did price this camera wrong, but as you said, that is to be determined. And maybe, from Canon's perspective, the 5DII was priced wrong (too low) since the waiting time to get one when they introduced it was pretty long.

    It will be interesting to see how this camera and the D800 do in the real world. Let the market be the judge. After all, that is the true test rather than us pontificators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BANKER1 View Post
    Marc,

    As usual, you are probably right. However, I would rather have a root canal than shoot another wedding. And I did say, "this Canon shooter". From my perspective Canon did price this camera wrong, but as you said, that is to be determined. And maybe, from Canon's perspective, the 5DII was priced wrong (too low) since the waiting time to get one when they introduced it was pretty long.

    It will be interesting to see how this camera and the D800 do in the real world. Let the market be the judge. After all, that is the true test rather than us pontificators.

    Greg
    I'm sure they'll both do well with their respective targets.

    I guess some people's fun is another person's root canal. Don't know what you shoot, but it sounds like it's fun for you. Personally, I'd rather pull my teeth with rusty pliers than shoot landscapes with a 35mm DSLR. Takes all kinds to make the world go around doesn't it?

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    I'm sure they'll both do well with their respective targets.
    Personally, I'd rather pull my teeth with rusty pliers than shoot landscapes with a 35mm DSLR.

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    There is nothing dissapointing about this camera from specs and reviews so far, except no interchangeable screens. Let's hope the fixed screen is good enough for manual focussing.

    However, it is unusual for Canon to get into a more conservative role and improve on already proven.
    Well, disappointment defines differently for different people - right?

    Anyway enjoy your 5D3

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    Most disappointing for me is that Canon did not manage to increase the MP count in a decent way - say at least 28 - 30 MP. For me this is a pretty clear sign that the marketing guys have won inside Canon, as they would have been able to build a camera similar to the D800 technology wise, but did not because they are just listening to all the customer feedback - mainly from all the Nay-sayers.

    Besides that I do not see anything else really exciting from the 5D3 especially nothing which would not have been already available from Nikon. Leaders have changed obviously, who would have believed this 4 years ago?

    Ah - I know now will come the answer about high ISO - well I DO NOT NEED nor intend to use ISO above 12800. I am not a professional voyeur and have otherwise simply no need for such high ISO. Back in film days I was more than happy with ISO 800 and excited about ISO 1600 - so there is no pint for me going higher than I mentioned.

    Anyway have fun with the 5D3.
    I totally get you. There is nothing here for people who are currently with other systems. I think every new camera should bring that to the table. I mean wouldn't that just be so much fun! With the anxiety to change systems every time a new camera is launched! Kidding aside, I don't shoot above ISO800, and if I had to, I feel like I've done something terrible

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    So much fun to read everyone's opinions. I currently shoot a 5DII and previously spent many years happily owning Nikon bodies. I occasionally stray to small bodies for fun.

    My only real complaints about the 5DII was the terrible autofocus system and a little bit of jealousy about Nikons ability to focus in lower light and get a little better low light ISO performance.

    The Nikon D800 sounds great but Canon fixed exactly the things I and many others complained about. Somehow I don't see anything wrong with that. I pre-ordered the MKIII.

    While we can discuss this all day the end game is how much we like our own results. This is a photo taken last week with my 5DII and the old 24-70. I like it.

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    My only real complaints about the 5DII was the terrible autofocus system and a little bit of jealousy about Nikons ability to focus in lower light and get a little better low light ISO performance.

    The Nikon D800 sounds great but Canon fixed exactly the things I and many others complained about. Somehow I don't see anything wrong with that. I pre-ordered the MKIII.
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    I really hope the new 5D3 autofocus system works as promised.....be sure to let us know what you think of it, when you've had some time to work with the 5D3.

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    I really hope the new 5D3 autofocus system works as promised.....be sure to let us know what you think of it, when you've had some time to work with the 5D3.

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    Gary ... take a look at this pretty convincing review from Jeff Ascough:

    Canon Eos 5D Mark III review - photographers

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    Gary ... take a look at this pretty convincing review from Jeff Ascough:

    Canon Eos 5D Mark III review - photographers

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    I found his comments below his review more entertaining, although nothing taken away from what is a solid review from a good photographer. I can't wait to try out the AF system with the DIGIC 5+

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    I totally get you. There is nothing here for people who are currently with other systems. I think every new camera should bring that to the table. I mean wouldn't that just be so much fun! With the anxiety to change systems every time a new camera is launched! Kidding aside, I don't shoot above ISO800, and if I had to, I feel like I've done something terrible
    Understand and agree!

    But you should know that I am (was) currently on the spot to jump into a new system, as I have sold all my old stuff. Actually I was hoping to be convinced by the 5D3, but if I compare it to the D800 (E) I am not. And should I really need higher ISO then the D4 would do the job pretty nicely for just a bit more money than the 5D3 costs.

    Too bad actually, because I would have loved to use some of the really excellent Canon L glass, especially high speed primes.

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    Gary ... take a look at this pretty convincing review from Jeff Ascough:

    Canon Eos 5D Mark III review - photographers

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    Thanks Marc! I am slowly being won over.

    Ok.....put my name on the 5D3 list at the local shop.

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    What is the difference in DR between these two cameras?
    This interactive chart is informative, and surprising. Click on the camera model on the right.

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    There have been some interesting posts on the LuLa forms showing some of the results of the 25K ISO settings which show some very good results. I don't think I would ever use the 25K setting, but to me it lends credence to the fact that the ISO 800 to 3200 now may be very very good on the 5D MKIII. Here is a link:
    Canon 5D Mark III @ ISO 25,600

    Both of my 5D MKII's seem to top out at ISO 1600 most times with 3200 being a push.

    Did anyone see if Canon has announced a grip/base like they have for the 5D MKII that holds 2 batteries and if the same batteries from the 5DMKII work in the MKIII?

    As for Uwe's question on lenses. I am hoping that the following will work,
    14mm II F2.8
    16-35mm F2.8 especially in the 16mm to 24mm range
    24-105 F4 which has become my main lens to carry in the field
    100-400 F5.6 my main wildlife lens

    I like the new features that I have read about, especially the new metering and AF points. I tend to agree with others on the price point being a bit high and it will be interesting to see if this settles down more in the 3.1K range. i have read a bit about the sensor on the MKIII and it appears to be a totally new design, not a refreshed MKII sensor. My main wish would be for Canon to create a E model like Nikon (no AA filter).

    It is tempting to sell my 1D MKIV now and order a MKIII

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    Did anyone see if Canon has announced a grip/base like they have for the 5D MKII that holds 2 batteries and if the same batteries from the 5DMKII work in the MKIII?
    The mkIII uses the same LP-E6 batteries as the mkII and 7D.

    Not only have they announced a grip, but the grip mounts the two batteries in a tray that slides in from the end like a 1-series. This means the grip should actually be comfortable to hold instead of feeling like gripping a 2x4. They also have included a multi-controller so you have all the same controls whether shooting horizontal or vertical. On the downside, it got a price bump like the body did. B&H has it for $350 but MSRP is something like $500.

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    On Canon not increasing megapixels, this is what I think: They know their sensor technology is behind what is offered by the competition. If they get their butts chewed for banding, noise at low iso and less DR, imagine how those sensors would perform at 32, 36 or 40 mp. They know it is better now to improve other things rather than increasing MP count which only would worsen the symptoms of their now obsolete sensor technology. Even they're having a really hard time trying to match Nikon AF performance. I'm sure they are working on a new complete sensor technology to be competitive again. This is not to endorse Canon but the opposite. If I'm at least partly right, this shows nothing but negligence from the management or big screw-ups from the RD department. Other possible cause, they focused too much on video and became careless about the real thing of them: Still photography.

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    Re: Canon 5D Mark III announced, your thoughts

    Any thoughts on how well the 5D3 will work with manual focus lenses and the standard, non-replaceable focusing screen? I don't expect to buy any Zeiss MF lenses, but I do have a nice collection of Leica R lenses that I was hoping to use now and then. I really haven't used my Leica R lenses much on my current crop of Canon DSLRs (40D, 5D, 7D, 1D2), so I would appreciate any thoughts from folks here who have more experience in this area.

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    Re: Canon 5D Mark III announced, your thoughts

    Ready or not.....picking mine up tomorrow!

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    First impressions.....the camera feels really good in hand, solid, a little beefier than the 5D or 5D2. Based on 15 images taken.....they look very good, better than my 5D or 7D for sure.

    There is just one very annoying thing (for me).....the shutter sounds like crap. "Tinny" is the word which best describes it, much worse than my 5D, which I thought was bad enough. I compared it directly with my 40D, 5D and 7D.....the 5D3 sounds worst of all. I didn't even bother comparing it with my 1D Mk2....which sounds like a real pro camera should (as does my Nikon D2x).

    Some will say if the images look good, who cares what the shutter sounds like? Fair enough. But for me personally, I wonder now if I won't cringe every time I press the shutter button.....subconsciously thinking "what a piece of crap". In my opinion, Canon should send the team who designs the 5D series shutters back to the drawing boards. No camera costing $3,500 should sound this "cheap" every time the user presses the shutter release.

    Just my opinion of course.....maybe I'm obsessive-compulsive about this sort of thing. Others might think it's no big deal.

    Violated my own rule to never buy a camera when it is first released......I won't make that mistake again.

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    First impressions.....the camera feels really good in hand, solid, a little beefier than the 5D or 5D2. Based on 15 images taken.....they look very good, better than my 5D or 7D for sure.

    There is just one very annoying thing (for me).....the shutter sounds like crap. "Tinny" is the word which best describes it, much worse than my 5D, which I thought was bad enough. I compared it directly with my 40D, 5D and 7D.....the 5D3 sounds worst of all. I didn't even bother comparing it with my 1D Mk2....which sounds like a real pro camera should (as does my Nikon D2x).

    Some will say if the images look good, who cares what the shutter sounds like? Fair enough. But for me personally, I wonder now if I won't cringe every time I press the shutter button.....subconsciously thinking "what a piece of crap". In my opinion, Canon should send the team who designs the 5D series shutters back to the drawing boards. No camera costing $3,500 should sound this "cheap" every time the user presses the shutter release.

    Just my opinion of course.....maybe I'm obsessive-compulsive about this sort of thing. Others might think it's no big deal.

    Violated my own rule to never buy a camera when it is first released......I won't make that mistake again.

    Gary
    I'm glad you took the plunge and like it. The shutter is always an issue with me, but dare I say I prefer the shutter of the 5D2 over the D700 I had, here's to hoping that it is close! But really, if it bother you that much, I would gladly take it off your hands. I hope mine gets here soon. It will be my birthday treat for sure
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    So much fun to read everyone's opinions. I currently shoot a 5DII and previously spent many years happily owning Nikon bodies. I occasionally stray to small bodies for fun.

    My only real complaints about the 5DII was the terrible autofocus system and a little bit of jealousy about Nikons ability to focus in lower light and get a little better low light ISO performance.

    The Nikon D800 sounds great but Canon fixed exactly the things I and many others complained about. Somehow I don't see anything wrong with that. I pre-ordered the MKIII.

    While we can discuss this all day the end game is how much we like our own results. This is a photo taken last week with my 5DII and the old 24-70. I like it.

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    Beautiful...... so is the model
    It's a funny place, the world that is! I only have good things to say about my 5D2, sure the AF can improve, and I think it just did, but then I can't believe the number of people who go out of their way on the interwebby to tell everyone. Here's to looking forward to complaints about the Mark III

    Again, great shot!

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    My 5D3 is going back to the shop tomorrow....that's how much I DON'T like it. I guess the only Canon upgrade path for me is now the 1D series.

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    My 5D3 is going back to the shop tomorrow....that's how much I DON'T like it. I guess the only Canon upgrade path for me is now the 1D series.
    Hahaha.... If that doesn't work out, there's always the D800 from that other company

    What specifically did you not like about it apart from the shutter, or was it just the shutter? I'm keen to know since it is supposedly better than the 5D mark I and the 7D!

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    I like Canon (and Nikon, Hasselblad, Leica, Pentax etc) just fine....but the shutter on the 5D3 would always annoy me...no matter how good the images might be. I will probably opt for a 1D Mk4 now instead. As I said, this might not bother other people at all.

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    Fair enough, I know if I didn't like the shutter sound, that would also annoy me like crazy! Good luck on the quest!

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