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    Canon's new "world's smallest DSLR" ?

    Canon just announced the SL1 "world's smalles DSLR". Except there's a real world problem with mirrors. Here's the actual size of the new Canon with 18-55 kit lens compared to the OM-D with 17-42 lens (thank you camerasize.com).
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    Re: Canon's new "world's smallest DSLR" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    Except there's a real world problem with mirrors.

    That basically sums it up.

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    One man's bug is another man's feature. I like having an optical viewfinder, and I don't mind carrying around a mirror box to get it. There's just no good reason why DSLRs need to be so ridiculously bloated. I'd like to have one that's as small as the Pentax MX I started with all those years ago.

    So I think this is great. All the better that the price is reasonable, and that Canon is making it available body-only from the start, so that you can get it with a compact prime or just add it to an existing system without having to spend money on an unwanted kit zoom. I think that's evidence that this isn't just about getting point-and-shoot digicam users to upgrade, but that they're also seeing a market among more advanced users and among existing system owners who just want a decently-featured body that's a lot smaller.

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    The new Canon will be definitely much easier to hold than the OMD. This will even get more obvious the heavier and longer lenses one adds. So basically on the OMD you at least need to add the grip in order to make it manageable in a secure way. And then Size difference becomes even worse.

    Finally I have not seen so far any EVF which is better or equally good to even small DSLRs - all hype and nice words, but if I compare side by side the OVF always wins so far!

    Thus I find the new small Canon a really great step into the right direction.

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    The SL1 is certainly a good option to have, but I really wished Canon could get it right with their mirrorless camera and lenses.

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    Re: Canon's new "world's smallest DSLR" ?

    Cute camera. It's almost exactly the same size as a G5... on paper. The body is much thicker though, and the G5 sports an articulated LCD. The viewfinder seems to be on par with other SLR cameras of its class, like the 700D and the D3200. Would be a nice camera in combination with some compact primes. Unfortunately, those primes are hard to find for Canon and Nikon, and here's one of the huge advantages of m4/3.

    A Pentax K5 is only marginally larger btw., although almost twice as heavy. But Pentax can deliver those tiny lenses, making the total package comparable in size. I think I know which one I'd prefer, should I start from scratch again with a new DSLR.

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    Living with a mirror is a lot easier than living with an EVF only camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    ... Finally I have not seen so far any EVF which is better or equally good to even small DSLRs - all hype and nice words, but if I compare side by side the OVF always wins so far! ...
    Might be personal preference coming into play, but for me most of the APS-C and FourThirds SLR viewfinders, with the exception of the pro-grade Olympus E-1, E-3, E-5 and maybe a couple of Pentax and Nikon models, fall way short of the quality of the Panasonic G1 and Olympus VF-2 (and built in E-M5) viewfinders on brightness and ease of critical focusing. It's why I stopped using any of them other than the Oly E-1 and E-5. Canon's APS-C SLR viewfinders have been particularly bad to my eyesight.

    Move to FF pro and advanced amateur grade SLRs and there the optical viewfinders are up to snuff. Otherwise, I'd rather have the EVF most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Might be personal preference coming into play, but for me most of the APS-C and FourThirds SLR viewfinders, with the exception of the pro-grade Olympus E-1, E-3, E-5 and maybe a couple of Pentax and Nikon models, fall way short of the quality of the Panasonic G1 and Olympus VF-2 (and built in E-M5) viewfinders on brightness and ease of critical focusing. It's why I stopped using any of them other than the Oly E-1 and E-5. Canon's APS-C SLR viewfinders have been particularly bad to my eyesight.

    Move to FF pro and advanced amateur grade SLRs and there the optical viewfinders are up to snuff. Otherwise, I'd rather have the EVF most of the time.

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    Agree. Under certain lighting conditions, I even prefer a good EVF to the OVF of a 35mm SLR. Whenever I use a good EVF, like the GH2, with a good APS-C OVF, like the D2Xs, I don't even think about the differences, except when I can't get an image review in the viewfinder of the Nikon, but that's probably a problem with my brain, not the camera

    The VF of the E-1 is particularly nice btw. I don't know why, but I guess that's one of many reasons why people still love that camera. I think I have to buy another one

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    I only can refer to the OVF of the EOS 600 and this one was great. Not as great as a FF DSLR of course, but for such a small DSLR pretty stunning. And for me MUCH better than any EVF I have seen so far. And the refresh rate is as fast as you want - 120 fps is just the lower limit

    I also tried the small Nikon DSLRs before I got the 600D, but their OVF was really inferior.

    If the OVF of the little beast is at least the quality of the 600D it would be all I could wish for.

    BTW compared to the Sony EVFs the Oly EFVs are still stunning - again MHO.

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    Re: Canon's new "world's smallest DSLR" ?

    The VF of the EOS 600 should be great, since it's a 35mm film camera But just in case you mean the 600D, the 100D has a VF that is even marginally larger than the recent Rebel cameras. But size isn't everything. Brightness and clarity also matters, and probably also each photographer's state of mind.

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    Hi Jorgen,

    Would be a nice camera in combination with some compact primes
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    Canon made a start - a 40mm f2.8 ef pancake which is not too bad.

    Best wishes,

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    Re: Canon's new "world's smallest DSLR" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by raywest View Post
    Hi Jorgen,

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    Canon made a start - a 40mm f2.8 ef pancake which is not too bad.

    Best wishes,

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    To have at least one "low light wonder", the 35mm f/2 IS would be very nice too, although not nearly as compact. Add to that some tiny 20mm, the Nikkor AIS f/3.5 is nice, and an 85/1.8 and it's actually a travel set not much larger than my GH2 with corresponding focal lengths. Food for thought...

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    Re: Canon's new "world's smallest DSLR" ?

    Or, lacking a bit in iq, but small enough for you? MINOX - Visible Innovation: Digital Classic Cameras

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    Re: Canon's new "world's smallest DSLR" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    To have at least one "low light wonder", the 35mm f/2 IS would be very nice too, although not nearly as compact. Add to that some tiny 20mm, the Nikkor AIS f/3.5 is nice, and an 85/1.8 and it's actually a travel set not much larger than my GH2 with corresponding focal lengths. Food for thought...
    The 40/2.8 STM is a sweet lens and is ~2/3 thick of the 20/3.5 AiS Nikkor.

    Add a plastic 50/1.8 EF II for low light. Quite compact and very light weight.

    If you want a very compact portrait tele, nothing can beat the OM 85/2. The most compact 85mm out there and a rendition not matched by many lenses.

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    Re: Canon's new "world's smallest DSLR" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    Canon just announced the SL1 "world's smalles DSLR". Except there's a real world problem with mirrors. Here's the actual size of the new Canon with 18-55 kit lens compared to the OM-D with 17-42 lens (thank you camerasize.com).
    Actually, that shows the problem of putting a flange distance for a 35mm camera on a smaller format. That camera could be smaller if it had an APS mirror box. But Canon has no lenses with an APS flange distance.

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    Personally I like optical view finders for composition but I think they fail miserably for manual focusing and low light compared with digital finders as on the OMD and GH3. The film industry has gone almost exclusively to digital finders and most DP's adapt quickly.

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    Canon, I'll be your bitch if you come now with a FF sensor inside a body like this. Perfectly doable!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    Canon, I'll be your bitch if you come now with a FF sensor inside a body like this. Perfectly doable!
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    Nonsense; Sony first!

    Canon will sooner release couple more updates to the SL1 like a Swivel screen to the SL2, and then a RATE button to the SL3 before a tiny FF. Just sayin!
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    I didn't know.
    I may buy the version with a swivel screen, But defeintetely would buy a FF version.


    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    Nonsense; Sony first!

    Canon will sooner release couple more updates to the SL1 like a Swivel screen to the SL2, and then a RATE button to the SL3 before a tiny FF. Just sayin!

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    Re: Canon's new "world's smallest DSLR" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    Nonsense; Sony first!

    Canon will sooner release couple more updates to the SL1 like a Swivel screen to the SL2, and then a RATE button to the SL3 before a tiny FF. Just sayin!
    The only 35mm exchangeable lens camera from Sony is the A99 which is huge compared to the 100D and weighs twice as much.

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    I am surprized how many people weight small size/weight over the IMO better user interface of ff-DSLRs. Not only is a nice big viewfinder a releaf also the cameras sit usually more stable in the hand and buttons are easier to find.
    As soon as you use faster lenses a little bigger camera is also more balanced vs the lens.
    If you have a good bag or backpack it is not really a problem to carry a little bigger camera for hours.
    There are some occasions where I want a small camera- like when going on tours with the bycicle or during skiing. But for everything else?
    Smaller and smaller doesnt necesarly means easier to use.

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    Re: Canon's new "world's smallest DSLR" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    Canon just announced the SL1 "world's smalles DSLR". Except there's a real world problem with mirrors. Here's the actual size of the new Canon with 18-55 kit lens compared to the OM-D with 17-42 lens (thank you camerasize.com).
    Guess I don't get it! What do you mean "problem with mirrors"?

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    rspann, what it means is that no matter how small you make a DSLR, you cannot make it as small as the OM-D, since OM-D is mirrorless. The problem with mirrors is it takes space, and depth between the lens and the sensor, so really a SLR can never be as small as a mirrorless solution, without sacrifice, eg even smaller sensor than MFT to get mirrors that are even smaller!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazor View Post
    rspann, what it means is that no matter how small you make a DSLR, you cannot make it as small as the OM-D, since OM-D is mirrorless. The problem with mirrors is it takes space, and depth between the lens and the sensor, so really a SLR can never be as small as a mirrorless solution, without sacrifice, eg even smaller sensor than MFT to get mirrors that are even smaller!
    You can also say MFT cameras are limited to smaller sensors in order to keep the camera/lens combo compact. Sony's NEX cameras are very compact until you put fast glass on it.
    Regardless the new SL1/100D is getting a lot of buzz and many positive reviews. No doubt it will sell very well.

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    Re: Canon's new "world's smallest DSLR" ?

    i got the lovely penf 40 f1.4 mounted on my nex 5n aps-c mirrorless. it is plenty fast, and the camera system is still alot more compact to the likes of this new Canon mini DSLR.

    I also have the SLr magic 50mm 0.95. even that combo is still alot smaller.

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    Retrofocus wide-angle design makes the lenses mandatorily bigger but the main reason is the size of the sensor. Bigger sensor = bigger lenses. That's why the Nex cameras won't ever have (at a given time) lenses as small as those for m4/3.
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    agreed, mayb e they should really be comparing Canon's smallest DSLR with the likes of Sony NEX 5r, since they both share the same size sensor, APS-C.

    Micro four thirds is in a different league ho hum

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