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    Looks like Canon is prepared to step up in a huge way!!!

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    Since some time I am already looking into the Canon R system as it seems to build up what is essential for my wishes and needs when it comes to FF.

    I have high hopes for the EOS R5 - on some rumor websites it is said it should come with an around 40MP sensor, which would be needed anyway for 8K video and would be just the perfect resolution I am looking for.

    Pairing that with the 100-500 and the 15-35 as well as the 70-200 and on top of that add the 1.2/85 sometimes later would be all I wanted and needed for the rest of my life - well I guess at least

    And this camera would help me avoid Sony or Nikon as well - a big plus as continues to turn out for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Since some time I am already looking into the Canon R system as it seems to build up what is essential for my wishes and needs when it comes to FF.

    I have high hopes for the EOS R5 - on some rumor websites it is said it should come with an around 40MP sensor, which would be needed anyway for 8K video and would be just the perfect resolution I am looking for.

    Pairing that with the 100-500 and the 15-35 as well as the 70-200 and on top of that add the 1.2/85 sometimes later would be all I wanted and needed for the rest of my life - well I guess at least

    And this camera would help me avoid Sony or Nikon as well - a big plus as continues to turn out for me!
    Maybe but you were trying to keep costs down I thought and RF lenses are not inexpensive. Definitely are excellent. It looks like they fixed many of the quirks though I still hate the fully articulating screen... so thatís a downer for me personally. As far as lenses Iíd choose if I bought into the system - 28-70/2 (hands down the lens that wowed me the first time I tried the camera), the 50/1.2, the 85/1.2 DS, and wait to see what theyíre doing for longer primes in the 100-150mm range. The 70-200 would be a possibility but Iíd skip the 100-500 on account of the small aperture on the long end.

    Theyíve been putting out absolutely fantastic lenses overall and Iím happy theyíre putting out a body (finally) to justify the lenses. Canon users should be very happy later this year with this offering. I hope they provide real 8k too and not the 8K UHD variety... but I also feel that way about DCI 4K vs. 4K UHD. I wish every camera that advertised 4K were speaking of in real 4K (the DCI variety).
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    Interesting, but looks too big for me, more like a DSLR.
    And for a stills photographer it doesn't offer much new in comparison what's already on the market from Nikon/Sony/Panasonic.
    Any idea on the price?

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    20fps? 8k video (with no way to show that content, heck barely any way to show 4k...true 4k not interpolated).

    Sounds like the perfect camera system for ??? Certainly not me.


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    Looks like a winner but I won't likely buy it. Too expensive with lenses.

    What 8K does is let you zoom in post so you have more possibilities.

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    Re: EOS R5 Announcement

    This is a winner, and the camera Canon users have been waiting for. 8K is a technicality. If it sports 40MP, IBIS, fully articulated screen, good ergonomics, great quality 4K, good slo-mo and two card slots, it will be hard to beat, particularly considering the quality of Canon R-mount lenses. A friend of mine bought an R and is very happy with the camera. This one will take him to heaven and beyond.

    Heavy? Expensive? If it's anything like the R, it's about as heavy as other high end mirrorless cameras, and as for the price, it will probably be in the same $3-4,000 bracket as the competition has been for the last decade or so.

    There are reasons why Canon have been market leaders for so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    This is a winner, and the camera Canon users have been waiting for. 8K is a technicality. If it sports 40MP, IBIS, fully articulated screen, good ergonomics, great quality 4K, good slo-mo and two card slots, it will be hard to beat, particularly considering the quality of Canon R-mount lenses.
    If those attributes determine a winner there's a lot of winners out in the mirrorless market already today. Yes, it will be a good camera and Canon is a brand not to be overlooked, but for me there's really nothing there that looks exciting or special.

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    If those attributes determine a winner there's a lot of winners out in the mirrorless market already today. Yes, it will be a good camera and Canon is a brand not to be overlooked, but for me there's really nothing there that looks exciting or special.
    For sure those attributes (at least most of them) are describing a winner - BUT no other brand so far really understood these - see what FF mirrorless cameras (and lenses) are available today or in near future ... Sony??? Nikon????????? Panasonic????????????????

    Maybe your milage may vary but a fast and accurately focusing camera with 40-45MP and great DR and high frame rate and great buffer and great ergonomics plus perfect video (up to 8k) I cannot see from any of the other brands - sorry for Sony, sorry for Nikon (the sleeper of the pack) and sorry for Panasonic (better back to the drawing boards to develop finally a decent AF)

    Canon is the clear winner if the EOS R5 materialises as what is rumored.
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    Maybe you're referring to 8K video (which is not important for me) but all the other attributes can be found in Nikon and Sony and for slower moving/static objects in Panasonic. No problem if people like this Canon better, that's a personal choice, but to sell it as the best thing since sliced bread and better than the other brands is an exaggeration in my mind.

    I know waiting for you is no problem, but we still need to see the Canon come and perform, while the others are already out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    For sure those attributes (at least most of them) are describing a winner - BUT no other brand so far really understood these - see what FF mirrorless cameras (and lenses) are available today or in near future ... Sony??? Nikon????????? Panasonic????????????????

    Maybe your milage may vary but a fast and accurately focusing camera with 40-45MP and great DR and high frame rate and great buffer and great ergonomics plus perfect video (up to 8k) I cannot see from any of the other brands - sorry for Sony, sorry for Nikon (the sleeper of the pack) and sorry for Panasonic (better back to the drawing boards to develop finally a decent AF)

    Canon is the clear winner if the EOS R5 materialises as what is rumored.
    I think Sony and Panasonic have lens offerings available that are every bit as good or comparable to what Canon is offering. The video is great on paper assuming there isnít ďa catchĒ to the features that theyíre advertising. I think thereís a benefit to shooting at 8K and delivering in 4K or 1080P... or just cropping in the video and getting ďmulticamĒ ability from a single frame.

    If autofocus is the concern... no one is better than Sony right now. If video quality is the concern I believe Panasonic offers the best quality... Nothing wrong with Canon at all and I think the R5 will right most of the wrongs of the R. I donít know that anyone can say that anyone is a clear winner. Thatís just ludicrous as everyone has different desires. In reality... all of the cameras are great.
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    I'm certainly interested. I have no use for 8k video, but the two cards and native 1.2 lenses really get my attention.

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    Amazing how they cram all that stuff into a tiny camera. Especially 8K and IBIS at the same time. If it will be as good as everyone expects, it will be a winner for sure. The lens line is shaping up extremely well and it seems like they are listening to the ergonomics complaints too. The only real problem I had with the R was the cumbersome way choose an AF point outside of using the screen and the weird slider thingy that they ditched for the R5.

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    Maybe you're referring to 8K video (which is not important for me) but all the other attributes can be found in Nikon and Sony and for slower moving/static objects in Panasonic. No problem if people like this Canon better, that's a personal choice, but to sell it as the best thing since sliced bread and better than the other brands is an exaggeration in my mind.

    I know waiting for you is no problem, but we still need to see the Canon come and perform, while the others are already out there.
    Nikon attributes are pretty low number and the lens lineup is nothing to write home about as is their AF implementation.

    Sony - you like it or you do not like it, I for myself was let down by Sony some 8-10 years ago when they abandoned their Alphy mount totally and it would take me long time to convince me back in again. Also ergonomics still suck for me (and many others)

    Panasonic - you can certainly use their mirrorless FF approaches as deadly weapons or replacing a hammer or other tools, but for my taste too heavy. And their AF as I mentioned - just back to the drawing boards. If you like slow and unreliable then you should be ok already today, but I am used to Olympus AF speed and accuracy so hard for me.

    WRT waiting - I have time and it is fun to watch these companies fight against each other and struggle again and again but finally one (or two) mirrorless FF system will turn out to be great. And then is the time to buy.

    On the rest - I could not be interested less because I want to shoot for fun and have fun and n o worries etc.

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    I think Sony and Panasonic have lens offerings available that are every bit as good or comparable to what Canon is offering. The video is great on paper assuming there isnít ďa catchĒ to the features that theyíre advertising. I think thereís a benefit to shooting at 8K and delivering in 4K or 1080P... or just cropping in the video and getting ďmulticamĒ ability from a single frame.

    If autofocus is the concern... no one is better than Sony right now. If video quality is the concern I believe Panasonic offers the best quality... Nothing wrong with Canon at all and I think the R5 will right most of the wrongs of the R. I donít know that anyone can say that anyone is a clear winner. Thatís just ludicrous as everyone has different desires. In reality... all of the cameras are great.
    Sony maybe is, but Panasonic definitely not - at least for people like me.

    In the moment Sony has still the head on AF but that will not last too long anymore and Canon and even Nikon will be as good. Different with Panasonic and their b...s... DFD system - as I mentioned multiple times they need to go back to the drawing boards again for this.

    Canon seems to have listened and sure we need to wait how their new sensor(s) perform but form the rest I am seeing they are pretty close and obviously have gone rid of that ignorance that other companies are plagued.

    Just my 5c, and whatever one prefers is personal of course but if one is really objective then they should come pretty close to my opinion.

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    Thanks Peter, that sounds a lot more balanced and objective versus your earlier posts

    In the end these are all fantastic photo machines and it just comes down to personal preferences and which options/attributes are important for each photographer.

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    It's important to understand the implications of 8K with regards to processing power. Compared to 4K, 8K contains four times as much data. The processing capacity needed to get all those bits through the system will also enable the camera to process anything else faster, and with fast cards, be able to handle complicated combinations of advanced AF algorithms, metering, hi-res viewfinders etc. in an optimal way. There are rumours about 4K 120 fps. which makes sense. That's more or less the same amount of data as 8K 30 fps.

    I would be surprised if Nikon isn't working on a similarly advanced camera, probably more stills oriented, but also with much more advanced AF and with slow motion 4K.

    I doubt that 8K has been the main focus for this camera other than for marketing purposes. The 8K ability comes as an added advantage when installing a 40MP sensor and the processing power needed to make a mirrorless camera as responsive as a high-end DSLR. Will it be as good as a DSLR? Much depends on the viewfinder. That's where images are created.
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    In my mind "the need for speed" is just another attribute that's important for some and not important for others. If you need it the R5 can be a good choice (but let's wait until the camera is out and properly tested), if you don't need it it doesn't limit your choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Sony maybe is, but Panasonic definitely not - at least for people like me.

    In the moment Sony has still the head on AF but that will not last too long anymore and Canon and even Nikon will be as good. Different with Panasonic and their b...s... DFD system - as I mentioned multiple times they need to go back to the drawing boards again for this.

    Canon seems to have listened and sure we need to wait how their new sensor(s) perform but form the rest I am seeing they are pretty close and obviously have gone rid of that ignorance that other companies are plagued.

    Just my 5c, and whatever one prefers is personal of course but if one is really objective then they should come pretty close to my opinion.
    Do you not think that the L-Mount lenses are every bit as good optically if not better than the Canon RF lenses? Thatís what I was specifically speaking about.

    We can all say that DFD is BS but there was a time people said that about Mirrorless in general. Now we are here 10-15 years later and everyone has jumped onto Mirrorless. People didnít understand the big deal about dual pixel or Sony Hybrid focus until now when everyone wants their brand of choice to incorporate their own proprietary version of it. Maybe Panasonic wonít succeed but I happen to think they will. There are absolutely tangible benefits to not having PDAF focus sites robbing the sensor of light and resolution. I sincerely hopes Panasonic (and L-Mount Alliance by association) succeed in developing this technology because it does mean real improvements to image quality, color retention, and lowlight performance. There is a processing bottleneck and algorithms is refine but ultimately the system is good enough in still photography today that the differences are minimal (unless youíre talking about extreme AF cases like the A9). If we arenít comparing the A9 to the Panasonic/Leica cameras the differences in performance arenít as great as your making out and itís coming from a person that does still shoot Sony, uses their professional services, and has used every current camera in some capacity except the A9II.

    Now as far as the Canon... I truly do hope theyíre back on the innovation train. I was hoping they were 2 years ago when they introduced the RF camera. I tried it out with the hopes that it would fit my needs but I found it to be the absolutely least comfortable of all Mirrorless cameras to hold onto. It also had a fully articulating screen (which I donít want on my primary cameras) and I find the rear screen on the Panasonic S1/R (or Fuji cameras) to be perfect. Then there was the weird Touch Bar thatís thankfully gone now. All of theses added up to a deal breaker for me personally but I still thought they had something great because of their lens lineup. The lens choices are excellent but I didnít like a single thing about the body. The 28-70/2 is a must have lens without a question. The 50/1.2 and 85/1.2 DS are as well. The 24-105/4 might be the best kit lens ever made... well until I tried the Panasonic. Optically the Canon is slightly better perhaps. The Panasonic is more versatile IMO though because it has limited focus breathing and a 1:2 macro capability. I feel like Nikon shouldíve updated their 24-120/4 when they released the Z as their kit lens instead of the 24-70/4. I think it wouldíve intrigued more people and tides them over until the f/2.8 and fast primes could be released.

    Now with Canon, I do have what I feel is a reasonable fear that when the full spec sheet comes out they will hurt their position and the trust of the consumer because something may be crippled. I still see them as a company that plans strategically to get people to move into their Cinema EOS line for pro video. Maybe theyíll surprise us all but Iím waiting on ďthe catchĒ to this announcement now that some of the Shock has worn off.

    Call me cautiously skeptical but holding onto some semblance of hope and optimism. I do feel like if we are all objective we can agree with this regarding Canonís track record.
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    It's important to understand the implications of 8K with regards to processing power. Compared to 4K, 8K contains four times as much data. The processing capacity needed to get all those bits through the system will also enable the camera to process anything else faster, and with fast cards, be able to handle complicated combinations of advanced AF algorithms, metering, hi-res viewfinders etc. in an optimal way. There are rumours about 4K 120 fps. which makes sense. That's more or less the same amount of data as 8K 30 fps.

    I would be surprised if Nikon isn't working on a similarly advanced camera, probably more stills oriented, but also with much more advanced AF and with slow motion 4K.

    I doubt that 8K has been the main focus for this camera other than for marketing purposes. The 8K ability comes as an added advantage when installing a 40MP sensor and the processing power needed to make a mirrorless camera as responsive as a high-end DSLR. Will it be as good as a DSLR? Much depends on the viewfinder. That's where images are created.
    8k isnít as hard as it once was. A lot comes down to the wrapper itís packaged in and whether Canon (or whomever) works directly with NLE makers to efficiently process the data. People with Mac Proís, newer Radeon Navi GPUís, or Apple T2 chips inside are already ahead of the game as they can all decode h.264 or h.265 more easily. They same can be said for Windows users that use similar platforms.
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    Do you not think that the L-Mount lenses are every bit as good optically if not better than the Canon RF lenses? That’s what I was specifically speaking about.

    We can all say that DFD is BS but there was a time people said that about Mirrorless in general. Now we are here 10-15 years later and everyone has jumped onto Mirrorless. People didn’t understand the big deal about dual pixel or Sony Hybrid focus until now when everyone wants their brand of choice to incorporate their own proprietary version of it. Maybe Panasonic won’t succeed but I happen to think they will. There are absolutely tangible benefits to not having PDAF focus sites robbing the sensor of light and resolution. I sincerely hopes Panasonic (and L-Mount Alliance by association) succeed in developing this technology because it does mean real improvements to image quality, color retention, and lowlight performance. There is a processing bottleneck and algorithms is refine but ultimately the system is good enough in still photography today that the differences are minimal (unless you’re talking about extreme AF cases like the A9). If we aren’t comparing the A9 to the Panasonic/Leica cameras the differences in performance aren’t as great as your making out and it’s coming from a person that does still shoot Sony, uses their professional services, and has used every current camera in some capacity except the A9II.

    Now as far as the Canon... I truly do hope they’re back on the innovation train. I was hoping they were 2 years ago when they introduced the RF camera. I tried it out with the hopes that it would fit my needs but I found it to be the absolutely least comfortable of all Mirrorless cameras to hold onto. It also had a fully articulating screen (which I don’t want on my primary cameras) and I find the rear screen on the Panasonic S1/R (or Fuji cameras) to be perfect. Then there was the weird Touch Bar that’s thankfully gone now. All of theses added up to a deal breaker for me personally but I still thought they had something great because of their lens lineup. The lens choices are excellent but I didn’t like a single thing about the body. The 28-70/2 is a must have lens without a question. The 50/1.2 and 85/1.2 DS are as well. The 24-105/4 might be the best kit lens ever made... well until I tried the Panasonic. Optically the Canon is slightly better perhaps. The Panasonic is more versatile IMO though because it has limited focus breathing and a 1:2 macro capability. I feel like Nikon should’ve updated their 24-120/4 when they released the Z as their kit lens instead of the 24-70/4. I think it would’ve intrigued more people and tides them over until the f/2.8 and fast primes could be released.

    Now with Canon, I do have what I feel is a reasonable fear that when the full spec sheet comes out they will hurt their position and the trust of the consumer because something may be crippled. I still see them as a company that plans strategically to get people to move into their Cinema EOS line for pro video. Maybe they’ll surprise us all but I’m waiting on “the catch” to this announcement now that some of the Shock has worn off.

    Call me cautiously skeptical but holding onto some semblance of hope and optimism. I do feel like if we are all objective we can agree with this regarding Canon’s track record.
    Only to clarify - I jumped on mirrorless already 10 years ago with Panasonic and Olympus - when almost nobody here in this forum and elsewhere was taking mirrorless serious. So you do speak to the wrong one if you think I was (and still am) not following new groundbreaking technologies already very early - maybe unfortunately

    WRT Panasonic - I would hope they can make their DOF tech work as it should - say competitive to Canon DP or Sony's latest incarnations - but I doubt. Is it fair to still doubt that after so many years not reaching (almost reaching) the final goal?

    WRT Canon - absolutely agree that one has to be cautious but what we hear now from the rumours at least one can be excited again about Canon. This has 2 parts IMO - 1) cameras and their R5 promises to finally excel even WRT sensor performance but of course still needs to be seen and 2) the RF lenses they are all very well designed IMO and optically stellar - though pretty pricy.

    WRT L mount glass versus RF glass - from all my lifelong experience I am pretty sure I would highly prefer the red ring RF lenses from Canon over any Sigma and Panasonic lens. Leica L mount is a different story but then for me the Leica part is dead mainly because of prices and also the limited Leica L mount lineup - I am more a zoom guy in the end and that RF 2/28-70 has absolutely no competition, as does the RF 2.8/70-200.

    It is fire that you love and like Panasonic and I wish you all joy and satisfaction with that system, albeit for me after trying it at some events this is absolutely a no go for me.

    Can we just keep it that way - if Canon really excels with their R5 and ticks almost all boxes for me and Nikon does not bring the equivalent (which is not as easy as their S lens lineup is not what I am really lusting for - their new 2.8/70-200 looks absolutely no go for me for example) then I might very well jump into Canon FF with 1 or 2 or 3 RF lenses and run that system in parallel to my Olympus Pro system, maybe based then on the mediocre EM1.3

    And you keep enjoying your Sony and Panasonic systems as well

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    8k isnít as hard as it once was. A lot comes down to the wrapper itís packaged in and whether Canon (or whomever) works directly with NLE makers to efficiently process the data. People with Mac Proís, newer Radeon Navi GPUís, or Apple T2 chips inside are already ahead of the game as they can all decode h.264 or h.265 more easily. They same can be said for Windows users that use similar platforms.
    With the best video editing software available, and Adobe Premiere is unfortunately one of them when it comes to processing speed, a strong GPU seems to be the most important component of the computer.

    I was not thinking about editing though, but the processing capacity within the camera. This has always been a challenge with mirrorless, and as display and video resolution as well as demands for more accurate and faster AF develops, it seems to remain a challenge, even with faster processors being developed.

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    With the best video editing software available, and Adobe Premiere is unfortunately one of them when it comes to processing speed, a strong GPU seems to be the most important component of the computer.

    I was not thinking about editing though, but the processing capacity within the camera. This has always been a challenge with mirrorless, and as display and video resolution as well as demands for more accurate and faster AF develops, it seems to remain a challenge, even with faster processors being developed.
    Well I was thinking of both processing in camera and in PP. Adobe is notorious for not optimizing quickly to the newest cameras. Apple and Blackmagic do a better job (in general) with FCPX and Davinci Resolve. 8K cinema cameras have been around for some time though and while cooling may be an issue we did see Sharp also reveal their 8k MFT camera a little while ago too. So my guess is that with an efficient codec and a powerful yet efficient microprocessor 8k should be doable in more Mirrorless cameras soon.
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    Only to clarify - I jumped on mirrorless already 10 years ago with Panasonic and Olympus - when almost nobody here in this forum and elsewhere was taking mirrorless serious. So you do speak to the wrong one if you think I was (and still am) not following new groundbreaking technologies already very early - maybe unfortunately

    WRT Panasonic - I would hope they can make their DOF tech work as it should - say competitive to Canon DP or Sony's latest incarnations - but I doubt. Is it fair to still doubt that after so many years not reaching (almost reaching) the final goal?

    WRT Canon - absolutely agree that one has to be cautious but what we hear now from the rumours at least one can be excited again about Canon. This has 2 parts IMO - 1) cameras and their R5 promises to finally excel even WRT sensor performance but of course still needs to be seen and 2) the RF lenses they are all very well designed IMO and optically stellar - though pretty pricy.

    WRT L mount glass versus RF glass - from all my lifelong experience I am pretty sure I would highly prefer the red ring RF lenses from Canon over any Sigma and Panasonic lens. Leica L mount is a different story but then for me the Leica part is dead mainly because of prices and also the limited Leica L mount lineup - I am more a zoom guy in the end and that RF 2/28-70 has absolutely no competition, as does the RF 2.8/70-200.

    It is fire that you love and like Panasonic and I wish you all joy and satisfaction with that system, albeit for me after trying it at some events this is absolutely a no go for me.

    Can we just keep it that way - if Canon really excels with their R5 and ticks almost all boxes for me and Nikon does not bring the equivalent (which is not as easy as their S lens lineup is not what I am really lusting for - their new 2.8/70-200 looks absolutely no go for me for example) then I might very well jump into Canon FF with 1 or 2 or 3 RF lenses and run that system in parallel to my Olympus Pro system, maybe based then on the mediocre EM1.3

    And you keep enjoying your Sony and Panasonic systems as well
    I think youíre misunderstanding me and some of my rhetorical statements. Fair enough. No need to beat a dead horse but I do fear that youíre waiting on a mythical ďperfect cameraĒ thatíll solve all your desires. Iíve accepted that it wonít come and itís best to choose the best available then move on when it no longer works for you. As good as the RF lenses are only a few are unique IMO and the rest are on the level in one shape or another with their counterparts. I donít believe the RF 70-200/2.8 is all that different optically from the Sigma, Panasonic, Sony, Nikon, etc. itís a great lens for sure but most of the modern ones are.
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    I think youíre misunderstanding me and some of my rhetorical statements. Fair enough. No need to beat a dead horse but I do fear that youíre waiting on a mythical ďperfect cameraĒ thatíll solve all your desires. Iíve accepted that it wonít come and itís best to choose the best available then move on when it no longer works for you. As good as the RF lenses are only a few are unique IMO and the rest are on the level in one shape or another with their counterparts. I donít believe the RF 70-200/2.8 is all that different optically from the Sigma, Panasonic, Sony, Nikon, etc. itís a great lens for sure but most of the modern ones are.
    The RF 2.8/70-200 is the smallest and lightest from all the others and this alone is a killing argument for me. And from what I have seen from reviews it is also on the sharpest side so far.

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    The RF 2.8/70-200 is the smallest and lightest from all the others and this alone is a killing argument for me. And from what I have seen from reviews it is also on the sharpest side so far.

    What is not to like?
    Well we can agree to disagree on it being appreciably sharper than the other lenses. Iím not seeing a big difference in the results between it and the competition. Is it lighter? Well yes, by up to a pound or less. Not a big deal to me personally but for some I understand thatíll matter. If Iím using a telephoto zoom I expect some weight.

    Again this isnít to disparage the Canon. There is great glass there. I just am not sure that itís entirely better across the board than the competition when compared to the best of the other brands. Theyíre more or less within the same realm as one another IMO. There are some unique halo pieces like the 28-70/2 but I think similar lenses will begin coming from the competition in time as well. Good on Canon for not just sticking to legacy SLR focal lengths. I love that theyíve gone against the grain in some ways finally. I celebrate that about them. I just canít reasonably go to hyperbolic levels on their behalf personally.
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    I for myself am very happy that Canon is showing to move in the right direction - camera bodies as well as lenses. I always liked Canon, especially their colours, although I shot most time Nikon, Sony and sometimes Leica FF mirrorless. Nikon colours never appealed that much to me, Sony was better overall, Leica just marvellous but simply too expensive and kind of restricted as well, but Canon simply nailed it for me.

    I was very happy when shooting my 5D2 with the 1.2/85 EF and I have never found so much satisfaction from another camera lens combo. Now my hopes are high that the upcoming R5 will be what I expect (40-45MP, great DR, great AF, great storage and great operability) and then I would just be a happy camper for the future in Canon mirrorless FF land with the RF 1.2/85 and maybe one or two other RF lenses - most likely the 15-35 and the 70-200. And I most likely will keep my m43 gear as well because used prices are just too low to sell this.

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    I for myself am very happy that Canon is showing to move in the right direction - camera bodies as well as lenses. I always liked Canon, especially their colours, although I shot most time Nikon, Sony and sometimes Leica FF mirrorless. Nikon colours never appealed that much to me, Sony was better overall, Leica just marvellous but simply too expensive and kind of restricted as well, but Canon simply nailed it for me.

    I was very happy when shooting my 5D2 with the 1.2/85 EF and I have never found so much satisfaction from another camera lens combo. Now my hopes are high that the upcoming R5 will be what I expect (40-45MP, great DR, great AF, great storage and great operability) and then I would just be a happy camper for the future in Canon mirrorless FF land with the RF 1.2/85 and maybe one or two other RF lenses - most likely the 15-35 and the 70-200. And I most likely will keep my m43 gear as well because used prices are just too low to sell this.

    At least there is hope
    I agree. My first digital camera was a Canon 10D, a 6MP CMOS camera that took absolutely beautiful photos! I was a newbie and didn't do any editing, but the colors straight OOC were sublime! Portraits had a richness and depth with incredible detail. I guess those could be considered "fat pixel" sensors.
    I was then convinced as planned obsolescence was firmly ensconced in the industry, that more MP's was needed for good photographs. That was a mistake, imo. I switched to Nikon, but always found the colors to lean towards a green hue, but that improved a bit and the Nikon Z7 seemed more natural. I'm now looking towards Canon's EOS R(5), for the RF 85mm 1.2. The idea is to buy the EOSR now and keep it as a back up to the EOSR5.
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    Here's a great link to the EOSR's weather sealing. I'm liking this more for environmental shoots.

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    If it's a R5, then it's likely to be a 5D replacement/compliment so it should have dual slots which has dual slots since the 5D III. It'll be interesting to see if they use CFexpress card slots to handle the high-res sensor to fit in with the 1Dx III. Since the 5D Mk III it's been a cut down 1Dx in functionality.
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    Updates to some of the R5 specs. Looks impressive on paper still. Seems like there won't be a crop but I'm interested in what the record times will be on the video. I'd guess there would be a 5-10 minute limit of 8K and 15-20 minute limit on the high speed recording modes on 4K. I'd expect normal 24-30 fps modes to record without a limit or with 30 minute limits at the maximum. It's interesting that they haven't spoken much about the photo side of things yet and that everything has been centered around the hybrid video side of things. I suspect that's because of how viral a YouTube or Vimeo video can go in a relatively short period of time. I'm curious about their processor and how they solved their cooling issues as the body seems to be pretty close in size to the EOS R.

    Anyway it looks like a much better camera in every way compared to the EOS R and I'm hoping that it can live up to the premium lens lineup they've released so far. I'm fully expecting that this camera will be $4k USD at a minimum and I would not be surprised to see it priced in the $5-7K range based on the spec sheet. This could be a tre flagship hybrid mirrorless camera for Canon and it's would make sense to price it as such. The EOS R can fall into the value option in the $1200-1800 range and an updated camera can be slotted between the R5 and the R. I think that would be a very fair price and they can easily release a R6 without the 8K, replacing the CFExpress for dual UHS-II slots, and eliminating RAW (but retaining the 4K120) in the $2500-3500 price range. I think that would be more than enough for the wedding/event photo community that may need more "sensible" video specs while retaining all of the positives.

    So it looks like Canon is listening to the feedback and are turning over a new leaf. It'll be interesting to see what all of the other players do to respond. Sony has been quiet the last couple of years with incremental updates. Nikon is likely working on a high end mirrorless. Panasonic/Leica/Sigma are further developing their cameras. Fuji is rumored to take the XH line further upmarket and expand the GFX line. Canon has kind of shot a warning shot across the hybrid market but also across the cinema camera market. The C300mkIII announcement was completely overshadowed and frankly I was surprised to see that it retained the EF mount. I really assumed that we'd see an RF mount on the camera and that it would have an EF mount adapter with the variable ND filter included in the box.

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    Interesting, but looks too big for me, more like a DSLR.
    And for a stills photographer it doesn't offer much new in comparison what's already on the market from Nikon/Sony/Panasonic.
    Any idea on the price?
    Do we know that?
    Also if it matches Sony and Nikon as a photo tool but it's the best for video it's going to sale like hotcakes and that will give them the money to continue investing and staying in the lead.

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    Do we know that?
    Do we know what?

    I know it's too big for me, but that's personal.

    I can't see aspects for stills photography where it's better than the other competing brands that are already on the market, but maybe you do?

    If you're into mirrorless video it's an attractive camera that might offer more than the competition, but it matters where you're coming from if jumping ship is an attractive option and a big enough upgrade. In general jumping ship is expensive and then a few month later the competition comes out with another even better improvement and you regret not having waited. My personal belief is that it's usually more economical to stay with what you have and not get lured into always wanting the latest and very best, because that's a quickly moving target.
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    Do we know what?

    I know it's too big for me, but that's personal.

    I can't see aspects for stills photography where it's better than the other competing brands that are already on the market, but maybe you do?

    If you're into mirrorless video it's an attractive camera that might offer more than the competition, but it matters where you're coming from if jumping ship is an attractive option and a big enough upgrade. In general jumping ship is expensive and then a few month later the competition comes out with another even better improvement and you regret not having waited. My personal belief is that it's usually more economical to stay with what you have and not get lured into always wanting the latest and very best, because that's a quickly moving target.
    Size wise itís supposed to be about the same size as the EOS R. I didnít find that it was too big but I found the grip of the EOS R to be the most uncomfortable of all FF mirrorless cameras personally. This was due to the inside of grip being straight without any contour to it. I also donít like fully articulating screens (though Iíd take one over a fixed screen if forced to choose) and I greatly prefer tilting screens that remain on axis with the camera mount/lenses.

    100% these are subjective viewpoints though

    I donít believe that most can deny that the R5 looks promising on paper (from what we know) but Iíd guess photo spec wise itíll be in line with other high megapixel cameras (so 40+ megapixels, 12fps mechanical, rolling shutter issues with electronic shutter, probably decent to usable high ISO up to 25,600-51,200 range, improved AF/Eye-AF, etc.) I suspect that people will come around to liking features like Eye AF and see how it can be invaluable when you have a camera that you can trust it to perform on. I donít think itíll offer anything ground breaking photo wise but as Iíve said Iím happy theyíre making a body worthy of the lenses theyíve introduced. If I was truly interested in this body Iíd get the 28-70/2, 50/1.2, 85/1.2 DS, and the 135/2 once itís released... though itís rumored that a 70-150/2 is in the works I believe.

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    Size wise itís supposed to be about the same size as the EOS R. I didnít find that it was too big but I found the grip of the EOS R to be the most uncomfortable of all FF mirrorless cameras personally. This was due to the inside of grip being straight without any contour to it. I also donít like fully articulating screens (though Iíd take one over a fixed screen if forced to choose) and I greatly prefer tilting screens that remain on axis with the camera mount/lenses.

    100% these are subjective viewpoints though

    I donít believe that most can deny that the R5 looks promising on paper (from what we know) but Iíd guess photo spec wise itíll be in line with other high megapixel cameras (so 40+ megapixels, 12fps mechanical, rolling shutter issues with electronic shutter, probably decent to usable high ISO up to 25,600-51,200 range, improved AF/Eye-AF, etc.) I suspect that people will come around to liking features like Eye AF and see how it can be invaluable when you have a camera that you can trust it to perform on. I donít think itíll offer anything ground breaking photo wise but as Iíve said Iím happy theyíre making a body worthy of the lenses theyíve introduced. If I was truly interested in this body Iíd get the 28-70/2, 50/1.2, 85/1.2 DS, and the 135/2 once itís released... though itís rumored that a 70-150/2 is in the works I believe.

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    It is an intriguing camera and system,. Not sure if I will ever buy this camera (be able to spend the money) but if I would enter the RF system the Canon EOS R5 would be the camera to go. And the 2.8/15-35, 2.8/70-200, the 2/28-70, 1,2/50, 1.2/85 and a 100-400 as soon as it comes available.

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    It is an intriguing camera and system,. Not sure if I will ever buy this camera (be able to spend the money) but if I would enter the RF system the Canon EOS R5 would be the camera to go. And the 2.8/15-35, 2.8/70-200, the 2/28-70, 1,2/50, 1.2/85 and a 100-400 as soon as it comes available.

    Who knows what will happen so one can still dream
    Iím sure if you sell your Leica M lenses and your DSLR stuff off youíll have the bulk of your kit covered. You can have your Olympus for travel and your Canon for everything else.
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    Full preview rundown of the R5 and R6 plus newly announced lenses and printer. Probably the most exciting cameras that Canon has introduced (IMO) since the 5DmkII or 1Dx. Finally there are bodies that can live up to their excellent RF lenses. The 600 and 800 lenses seem to be pretty interesting at their price point for someone that wants telephoto ability but isn’t committed enough to invest 5 figures into achieving those desires... They even undercut Micro 4/3 with price for focal length. So I guess we can ease on the doubting of Canon’s desire to innovate for now. I guess they received the feedback and acted accordingly. Interested in seeing how/if Sony, Nikon, and L-Mount Alliance will respond.

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    Announcement is today! I am curious about the price...

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    Announcement is today! I am curious about the price...
    The announcement already happened at 8AM EST. These are along the lines of what I hoped Canon would introduce a couple years ago. Better late than never though and I hope to get my hands on both of these at some point soon. Not looking to switch but I’m interested in them from a technical standpoint nonetheless. I do REALLY like that 28-70/2 lens and the 85/1.2 is nice too even though it’s not my favorite portrait focal length (100mm is) but I can see that the system is coming together for those interested in professional content creation but it photography, video, cinematography, etc.

    I’m really surprised their newest Cinema EOS cameras didn’t go RF mount (like the RED Komodo) because that will really be disruptive IMO once it becomes more mainstream.

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    Currently shooting Fuji - moved to the system for wildlife but got sucked into using the bodies for all my work (also own the GFX50R but that is another story and not relevant to the R5/R6).

    Also, right off the bat given some of the discussion above, based on years of struggle and experience, Panasonic's DFD focus system sucks for wildlife and is the main reason I left m43rds after almost ten years of continuous use (as my interest in wildlife shooting began to eclipse my other photographic interests).

    OK, so the R5 and R6 are beautifully specified cameras and woohoo!!!!! have 12/20 fps speeds which are great for wildlife - which Nikon still seems to be wilfully ignoring in their mirrorless cameras. And, sorry to insult people but another advantage is that they offer the first real competition from Nikon/Canon to Sony which I just don't like (personal thing, I admit).

    However, I am not in a hurry to go Canon mirrorless for two reasons. Firstly, no fast native RF wildlife glass. Couldn't Canon have at least given us a RF 500/5.6? Secondly, the price.

    In the UK the Canon R6 is over GBP 1,000 more expensive than the recently introduced X-T4 (which as a Fuji user makes more sense for me to consider). I would be seriously thinking about switching and using adapted EOS lenses if only the R6 was priced accordingly. I do not think an extra £1K is worth is for a full frame sensor.

    But I'll definitely look with interest on reviews by wildlife photographers using both bodies and never say never.

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    Looks like Canon is prepared to step up in a huge way!!!

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    This is the best review I have seen, it's not about specs but creative possibilities. Highly recomended.

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    I had already given up on Canon. My first DSLR was Canon D3 (2001) and the last Canon I owned was 5D. I switched to Nikon D700, and continued with Nikon up to Z 7. Canon R5 and the RF lenses have awakened my interest in the Canon brand.

    I am especially intrigued by the fact that Canon is creating different lenses, they are not stuck to the classic range/aperture combinations. I am very interested in the two new f/11 lenses. The DOF is still very shallow at those focal lengths, only issue is the 2 stop light loss when compared to f/5.6. By making the lenses slow, one can create lightweight but high-quality lenses. Looking forward to seeing reports about the image quality.

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    I had already given up on Canon. My first DSLR was Canon D3 (2001) and the last Canon I owned was 5D. I switched to Nikon D700, and continued with Nikon up to Z 7. Canon R5 and the RF lenses have awakened my interest in the Canon brand.

    I am especially intrigued by the fact that Canon is creating different lenses, they are not stuck to the classic range/aperture combinations. I am very interested in the two new f/11 lenses. The DOF is still very shallow at those focal lengths, only issue is the 2 stop light loss when compared to f/5.6. By making the lenses slow, one can create lightweight but high-quality lenses. Looking forward to seeing reports about the image quality.
    The video I posted above (from B&H Photo) has some IQ from the 600 and 800 lenses. They also mention that these cameras can AF down to f/22. Iím interested in how much DR will be available from these sensors but naturally thatís hard to gauge from preproduction samples and reduced bit depth video compared to photography. I see no point in me switching for what I do. Iím quite happy with the S1R and the Sony handles everything AF that I have a need for as well... but I agree that Canon has not been of interest to me at all (outside the original 6D and the 1Dx) since I switched from them in 2008.
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    Currently shooting Fuji - moved to the system for wildlife but got sucked into using the bodies for all my work (also own the GFX50R but that is another story and not relevant to the R5/R6).

    Also, right off the bat given some of the discussion above, based on years of struggle and experience, Panasonic's DFD focus system sucks for wildlife and is the main reason I left m43rds after almost ten years of continuous use (as my interest in wildlife shooting began to eclipse my other photographic interests).

    OK, so the R5 and R6 are beautifully specified cameras and woohoo!!!!! have 12/20 fps speeds which are great for wildlife - which Nikon still seems to be wilfully ignoring in their mirrorless cameras. And, sorry to insult people but another advantage is that they offer the first real competition from Nikon/Canon to Sony which I just don't like (personal thing, I admit).

    However, I am not in a hurry to go Canon mirrorless for two reasons. Firstly, no fast native RF wildlife glass. Couldn't Canon have at least given us a RF 500/5.6? Secondly, the price.

    In the UK the Canon R6 is over GBP 1,000 more expensive than the recently introduced X-T4 (which as a Fuji user makes more sense for me to consider). I would be seriously thinking about switching and using adapted EOS lenses if only the R6 was priced accordingly. I do not think an extra £1K is worth is for a full frame sensor.

    But I'll definitely look with interest on reviews by wildlife photographers using both bodies and never say never.

    Just my two cents

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    I thought of your troubles with Micro 4/3 when I watched videos. I havenít really had any AF issues with the S1R but I donít really do wildlife either. Iím happy that someone is taking mirrorless seriously other than Sony and L-Mount (though in a niche way) to push others to continue to innovate. It seems like a great camera that will have itís quirks like every other camera once it gets into the hands of people over the next couple of months.
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    Good luck to Canon for their new cameras.
    I'll stick with my A9.
    Interested though what Sony will come up with later this summer.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Good luck to Canon for their new cameras.
    I'll stick with my A9.
    Interested though what Sony will come up with later this summer.
    Yeah I heard a lot of people mentioning fast read out times on the R5/R6. Iím unsure if that ďbuzzword speakĒ or a reality since I havenít been able to pin down a sensor readout time yet. Apparently thereís an embargo on releasing sample shots except for a few online outlets that all seem to be retailers with a YouTube presence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    Yeah I heard a lot of people mentioning fast read out times on the R5/R6. I’m unsure if that “buzzword speak” or a reality since I haven’t been able to pin down a sensor readout time yet. Apparently there’s an embargo on releasing sample shots except for a few online outlets that all seem to be retailers with a YouTube presence.
    Thanks Tre. Well, I guess we’ll eventually find out about the sensor readout times. Equal or faster than 1/160 s, Sony’s best number so far.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    I believe we have a larger photographic crowd here but I just came across this report on the video performance that many of the videos are focused on. It’s really not any surprise and I always wondered why so many people that primarily focused on video production gravitated so heavily towards hybrid system cameras when a true Cine/ENG style camera provides so many more options for video production (at a higher price generally yes).

    https://www.eoshd.com/news/canon-eos...8k/#more-23011

    I still believe both the R5/R6 are amazing and will serve most people well but for those that believed this would be a high megapixel camera and a substitute for a RED Monstro 8K VV... well we aren’t there yet. For the YouTube and short form video crowd, it’s likely a great option. I’d be wary if I were primarily interested in doing wedding video, corporate video, or cinematography. IT seems like there may be some better options out there like the Cinema EOS line, Blackmagic Design cameras, or the Panasonic S1H if one was insistent on utilizing the hybrid system camera form factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    Looks like Canon is prepared to step up in a huge way!!!

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora...38443735454436
    IF the camera does not have a major flaw, is far ahead of anything else. See Irene R video to see it focus with almost no light. There is a reason Canon introduced the f11 lenses. The only weakness is the 70-200mm f2.8 lens: not really professional, one have to turn the zoom multiple times to go from. 70 to. 200mm, that means you could miss a shoot easily.

    3 videos:

    creative and low light focus:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_byYwav5ccM&t=3s
    action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=581U_IVFA1Q&t=138s
    Fashion : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISAGT5DO-gU


    I am a Nikon shooter, but this machine is tempting.
    If by April next year Nikon is not able to compete (either by releasing a competitive machine or by lowring the prices and becoming the low price option) I will start to plan the swtich.

    It's not just speed is the fact that a. 85mm f1.4 is not even in the Z roadmap but we have a. 58mm f0.95 shows that the companie lack direction.

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