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    @Brian- remember the Fuji guys are doing a marketing job and are paid by Fuji, so I definitively expect them to be very very impressed with the image quality ;-)

    Also a breakthrough on aps-c happened when Sony release that nex/alpha/d7000/k-5 sensor. If you want a good reference for
    AAless Bayer detail check the Leica m9 output from raw

    Personally I think the dr and tonal range Of what I am seeing is fine. So I would look atthe camera for other attributes which I think may have (said in general , not buying one ).

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    @Uwe- that looks sharp enough to me. I want Nikon to wake me up when they do their Nikon Z1 aimed at photographers and not average Joe/ soccer moms (nothing wrong with that per se). I would be curious what they do on such model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    This is an incredibly useful site that allows one to compare the sizes of many cameras, side by side (here, the Fuji X Pro 1 vs Leica M9):

    http://camerasize.com/compare/#258,213
    This site is heaps of fun, how about --


    http://camerasize.com/compare/#258,190

    or this - http://camerasize.com/compare/#258,215

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    All the macro lenses I have used have made great lenses for portraits. I can't think of one example where a macro lens does not work well as they tend to have high tolerances than normal focus range lenses.

    I think the Fuji, which is only a 1:2 macro, would be fine lens. If you are looking for a shallow depth of field and you don't think f/2.4 is going to give it to you on an APS sensor, then this will not work for you. But this is not a fault with Fuji, it just does not fit your style.

    Where you thinking of only using this system for your wedding work?
    Fuji said they were going after the wedding market, without a fast mild tele portrait lens they might as well not bother. Not that it seems they are that serious about it, the AF from all reports is rather slow...
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    Ben, There was a percentage of wedding photogs who absolutely preferred the Fuji S series in Nikon mount.

    Fuji now claim a lot. Whether anyone would buy the cams for the claimed usage depends on what it can do. That minor detail is still a mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Fuji said they were going after the wedding market, without a fast mild tele portrait lens they might as well not bother. Not that it seems they are that serious about it, the AF from all reports is rather slow...
    I would imagine wedding photography is like many types of photography in that each photographer can choose a style and a way of working. Certainly there is a documentary style of photography that some wedding photographers use. I don't think Fuji is saying this is a specialized wedding camera--street photographers, for example, could use this as well.

    So were you thinking of using this system for your wedding work?

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    Re: new Fuji X Pro1 camera (formerly called "new camera")

    A little more detail....there will be a less expensive X body from Fuji. No idea when

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01...mpaign=generic

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    Re: new Fuji X Pro1 camera (formerly called "new camera")

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    This is an incredibly useful site that allows one to compare the sizes of many cameras, side by side (here, the Fuji X Pro 1 vs Leica M9):

    http://camerasize.com/compare/#258,213
    It's a wonderful site - most useful. It's saved me a great deal of money!

    In the context of the shot you've posted it seems to me that the M9 is a minimalist beauty compared to the X1pro which seems kind of knobbly.

    Perhaps this is a little reality check as well:

    http://camerasize.com/compare/#258,33

    Little being the operative word - mind you, Fuji will instantly be 2 primes up on Sony who only have the one splendid prime (24 f1.8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    It's a wonderful site - most useful. It's saved me a great deal of money!

    In the context of the shot you've posted it seems to me that the M9 is a minimalist beauty compared to the X1pro which seems kind of knobbly.

    Perhaps this is a little reality check as well:

    http://camerasize.com/compare/#258,33

    Little being the operative word - mind you, Fuji will instantly be 2 primes up on Sony who only have the one splendid prime (24 f1.8)
    Of course, I did that comparison, Jono.

    Interestingly, I mounted a Leica lens carrier under the NEX-7 and it makes it a fantastic to grip and hold, pressing against my palm. With that in mind, the Fuji X Pro1 with its grip would do quite well. However, I have another project in mind and that calls for another NEX-7. Difficult decisions to make....

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Nice link with a bit more info, Robert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Nice link with a bit more info, Robert.
    . . . . Interesting photos - The X100 was unquestionably a thing of beauty, whatever other reservations might have been . . . and the X10 is pretty pretty too . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Oh bugger... I suspect after reading that text that my GH1 is a “conventional mirrorless camera”. I need to upgrade to a “premium interchangeable lens camera”, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Oh bugger... I suspect after reading that text that my GH1 is a “conventional mirrorless camera”. I need to upgrade to a “premium interchangeable lens camera”, right?
    Reminds me of the Ford "precision sized car" horsepucky from years ago. This marketing babble-speak is just plain ridiculous.

    Sheesh, Fuji, you have a lovely product in this camera. Don't make it into something laughable.

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    Product differentiation and marketing is what it's all about.

    Is the iPad full of magic? Or is it just like any other tablet?

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    More interesting stuff here, including a possible 14mm f/1.4...hmmm....

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/news...baker-fujifilm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    A little more detail....there will be a less expensive X body from Fuji. No idea when

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01...mpaign=generic
    I bet the less expensive X1 Pro is a project that got green lighted this week after the reaction of the unwashed masses to the X1 Pro price :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Oh bugger... I suspect after reading that text that my GH1 is a “conventional mirrorless camera”. I need to upgrade to a “premium interchangeable lens camera”, right?
    That is up to you. :-) Only you can break the consumerist cycle for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Well of course, it must be able to focus...that's a given.

    I agree, it must have an acceptable level of performance to be a 'pro' camera. However I don't think it needs to focus as fast as a phase detect sports DSLR that costs about the same money, in order to be acceptably fast.
    Well yes, I agree with that. What I do think though is, if it doesn't do AF fast, it should do superb MF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Product differentiation and marketing is what it's all about.

    Is the iPad full of magic? Or is it just like any other tablet?
    The iPad is full of magic. After all it also created that market :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Product differentiation and marketing is what it's all about.

    Is the iPad full of magic? Or is it just like any other tablet?
    That must be iMagic for sure

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    So according to the imaging resource interview, there will be a future x1 pro mount camera that will have phase detection….

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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    The iPad is full of magic. After all it also created that market :-)

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    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Sheesh, Fuji, you have a lovely product in this camera. Don't make it into something laughable.
    That is my frustration, as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    I would imagine wedding photography is like many types of photography in that each photographer can choose a style and a way of working. Certainly there is a documentary style of photography that some wedding photographers use. I don't think Fuji is saying this is a specialized wedding camera--street photographers, for example, could use this as well.

    So were you thinking of using this system for your wedding work?
    Not some, that is the definition of modern day wedding photography in most countries.

    I can't think of using it I'm afraid, it doesn't begin to match up for what Fuji says is a market (not the only of course) that they're aiming for.

    I can't think of a single manufacturer who offers a short tele portrait prime slower than f1.8, there is a reason for that. It's not just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    I would imagine wedding photography is like many types of photography in that each photographer can choose a style and a way of working. Certainly there is a documentary style of photography that some wedding photographers use. I don't think Fuji is saying this is a specialized wedding camera--street photographers, for example, could use this as well.

    So were you thinking of using this system for your wedding work?
    I would IF I didn't already have a Leica M9 that I use at just about every wedding, especially if I couldn't afford a M9.

    For me it isn't an either/or proposition ... a smaller rangefinder style camera and a traditional AF DSLR working in concert. Each has its place. Sometimes the situation warrants the M, and others are better served by a fuller function DSLR with zooms, longer lenses, and more sophisticated speed-light options. Given an either/or restriction, I think nearly all wedding shooters would overwhelmingly opt for the 35mm DSLR over exclusive use of a camera like the Fuji X-Pro-1 which is too narrow to apply to every eventuality that can pop up at a wedding.

    So, I don't think that is what Fuji meant by appealing to the wedding market. This could be a nice "relief" from lugging a DSLR around all day. I know it is for me.

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    Re: new Fuji X Pro1 camera (formerly called "new camera")

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I can't think of a single manufacturer who offers a short tele portrait prime slower than f1.8, there is a reason for that. It's not just me.
    I can. In the 50mm to 70mm range (or equivalent MF to APS), these companies do: Canon, Nikon, Tamron, Sigma, Pentax, Rocoh, Sony, Zeiss, Schneider, Hasselblad, Mamiya, Leica, and Fuji. It seems when you get passed 50mm, f/2.8 seem very common. You don't need to like the X Pro-1, but let's be fair.

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    There are many new samples here:

    http://www.fujifilm.com/products/dig...sample_images/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    I can. In the 50mm to 70mm range (or equivalent MF to APS), these companies do: Canon, Nikon, Tamron, Sigma, Pentax, Rocoh, Sony, Zeiss, Schneider, Hasselblad, Mamiya, Leica, and Fuji. It seems when you get passed 50mm, f/2.8 seem very common. You don't need to like the X Pro-1, but let's be fair.
    Nice list, but not short teles for portraits that Ben's speaking about ... which are at least 85/1.8 all the way to f/1.2.

    Canon 85/1.2L or 1.8, Nikon 85/1.4, Sony ZA85/1.4, to mention the big three ... plus all the 3rd party lens makers with their 85/1.4s. On crop frame cameras they get to be around 125mm, but still remain fast apertures to help isolate the subject or allow a faster shutter speed.

    I don't mind a 90mm in the 2.5 or 2.8 range on my M9 ... but a M90 f/2 is much better for portraits, and I'd much prefer an 85/1.4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I don't mind a 90mm in the 2.5 or 2.8 range on my M9 ... but a M90 f/2 is much better for portraits, and I'd much prefer an 85/1.4.

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    Well,

    there do you get the 85/1.4 on the M9 ?????

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    Re: new Fuji X Pro1 camera (formerly called "new camera")

    Why would a "pro" cam need so many film simulation settings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphie View Post
    There are many new samples here:

    http://www.fujifilm.com/products/dig...sample_images/

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    The new ones are marginally better. Still, whomever took that star filled sky shot and Fuji showing it must hate that camera very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Why would a "pro" cam need so many film simulation settings?
    there are quite a few pros that use JPEG (deadlines) and the Fujis, indeed, have some of the finest JPEG engines i've seen.

    (don't want to get this into a discussion of RAW vs. JPEG, just stating their likely justification... i know on the X100 i'm not really getting any more out of the RAW files as long as i expose correctly.)

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    Re: new Fuji X Pro1 camera (formerly called "new camera")

    A lot of Olympus cams also have these "creative filters".

    Since Robert mentioned i-Magic, , i-phone and the whole line of "i" products have numerous apps for such simulations.

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    This is the first half decent sample I've seen... why can't they all be this good?

    This one also, not bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Nice list, but not short teles for portraits that Ben's speaking about ... which are at least 85/1.8 all the way to f/1.2.

    Canon 85/1.2L or 1.8, Nikon 85/1.4, Sony ZA85/1.4, to mention the big three ... plus all the 3rd party lens makers with their 85/1.4s. On crop frame cameras they get to be around 125mm, but still remain fast apertures to help isolate the subject or allow a faster shutter speed.

    I don't mind a 90mm in the 2.5 or 2.8 range on my M9 ... but a M90 f/2 is much better for portraits, and I'd much prefer an 85/1.4.

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    The 85mm is a portrait focal length for a 35mm frame. There really isn't a comparable lens for APS. So no APC camera will satisfy him--it is not a Fuji problem per se.

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    Re: new Fuji X Pro1 camera (formerly called "new camera")

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    This is the first half decent sample I've seen... why can't they all be this good?

    This one also, not bad.

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    Hugo Poon rocks!

    (Fuji owe him a huge favor)

    >>why can't they all be this good?

    You really want to know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Hugo Poon rocks!

    (Fuji owe him a huge favor)

    >>why can't they all be this good?

    You really want to know?
    Yes, why?! To be honest I often find sample images somewhat wanting unless they happen to coincide with my type of photography but the Poon ones Brian has pointed out are very detailed and noise free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Why would a "pro" cam need so many film simulation settings?
    I don't know about the X-Pro1, but the X10 was quite interesting ... Processing its raw files in Lightroom/Camera Raw at higher ISO settings, it proved difficult to get results that matched what the camera's internal JPEG engine did. Other raw processing software might do a better job, but the Fuji sensor is evidently pretty picky to work with and Fuji has optimized some good rendering stuff in their cameras.

    Dunno whether they do a better job than Olympus in this regard. The E-1 and E-5 can make truly amazing JPEGs in the camera, but I prefer raw shooting and processing workflow rather than thinking about image processing needs in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Dunno whether they do a better job than Olympus in this regard. The E-1 and E-5 can make truly amazing JPEGs in the camera, but I prefer raw shooting and processing workflow rather than thinking about image processing needs in the field.
    This is not my style but with the Fuji cameras you could shoot RAW and develop the jpegs later still in camera and in multiple different ways. This allows you to have your cake and eat it too.

    Pentax is similar in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphie View Post
    Yes, why?! To be honest I often find sample images somewhat wanting unless they happen to coincide with my type of photography but the Poon ones Brian has pointed out are very detailed and noise free.

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    Among the new fuji pics you linked, the star filled sky shot is terrible. I am not an astro photographer (and have very little interest in shooting the stars) but I know enough to make that comment. It is quite obvious from that shot that the person who snapped it and the people who uploaded it lack some clue about such photography (hint: Pentax have a nice gizmo and an associated software to do a good job). When that is the case, with all the hype about the new sensor, why show it?

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    Re: new Fuji X Pro1 camera (formerly called "new camera")

    With the X100, I routinely shoot RAW+jpeg and mostly use the jpeg. The in-cam jpeg engine is superb.

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    Re: new Fuji X Pro1 camera (formerly called "new camera")

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    With the X100, I routinely shoot RAW+jpeg and mostly use the jpeg. The in-cam jpeg engine is superb.
    yes, it is... better than i seem to be able to do most of the time... i don't like that, though, because i use usually shoot RAW and black and white JPEG so i can see b/w in the VF or on the screen... as i am using the cam for more personal and casual stuff, i'm thinking of just shooting JPEG most of the time which means i need to set the JPEG engine back to colour

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    Well, in an ideal world you'd have a programmable function button for jpeg colour toggle - I wish they'd release a SDK and allow some programmers with time on their hands add some value.

    I suppose we'll all be using smartphones for photography by then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    A lot of Olympus cams also have these "creative filters".

    Since Robert mentioned i-Magic, , i-phone and the whole line of "i" products have numerous apps for such simulations.
    No, they are not the same. The fuji jpegs are fuji film simulations and there and some photography domains/needs where jpeg, not raw, is the format used for shooting. Fujis Jpeg engine is fantastic so having these fujifilm simulations can work well in those situations.

    The regular Olumpus color and b&w shootin modes (vivid, natural, etc) correspond more to these Joey settings.
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    This is the first half decent sample I've seen... why can't they all be this good?

    This one also, not bad.

    Brian
    I think in terms of looking for the "AA less detail" considering the ISO, I agree, they aren't bad. I think Hugo shoots JPEG so would be interesting if there's more detail to be found with a good raw converter. Fuji did say it was cooperating with Adobe to have ACR/Photoshop/LR be able to convert their raws.

    As a photograph they don't do much for me, but these are probably exactly that- tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I don't know about the X-Pro1, but the X10 was quite interesting ... Processing its raw files in Lightroom/Camera Raw at higher ISO settings, it proved difficult to get results that matched what the camera's internal JPEG engine did. Other raw processing software might do a better job, but the Fuji sensor is evidently pretty picky to work with and Fuji has optimized some good rendering stuff in their cameras.

    Dunno whether they do a better job than Olympus in this regard. The E-1 and E-5 can make truly amazing JPEGs in the camera, but I prefer raw shooting and processing workflow rather than thinking about image processing needs in the field.
    I would say both Fuji and Olympus have the best JPEG engines. Before E-5 I would have ranked Fuji's engine a notch higher, after the E-5 maybe about same or maybe Fuji still a hair higher but they are really close. Olympus goes after Kodak film looking JPEGs (understandable given their initial 4/3rds Kodak partnership) and Fuji goes for their Fujifilm color (also understandable, since well they make Fujifilm :-) ).

    I have checked these jpeg engines to quite an extent in general. Fuji usually has better gradients but also in the S3/S5 pro they are working with 14bit data (first ones to do it *years* before anyone else in the DSLR class).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    With the X100, I routinely shoot RAW+jpeg and mostly use the jpeg. The in-cam jpeg engine is superb.

    Brian
    Hi Brian. Yes I do exactly the same with both my X100 and Sony A77. Modern sensors/processing engines produce such beautiful Jpegs, I have even wondered sometimes why I bother to fill memory cards with the RAW options as additions.

    That is until a recent trip to India, when on one evening I was advised at short notice that an invitation to a local Maharajah's palace for dinner was planned for that evening, and to be sure to ensure that camera batteries were charged etc. I guessed that time might be of the essence so I preset the cameras to tungsten light balance which seemed a good guess as it was after dark. As I left the vehicle there was an immediate explosion of sound and a spectacular costume show involving a large number of elephants, camels and beautiful white horses mounted by uniformed soldiers. all of this was in the dark requiring flash but virtually no time to change my settings!

    Back home the RAW images processed in C1Pro saved the day.

    I shall continue setting Raw+Jpeg!
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    Re: new Fuji X Pro1 camera (formerly called "new camera")

    Goes without saying that we're considering straight image quality here. The ISO2000 shot looks nice and clean with excellent detail.

    Size wise, being similar in size to the E-620 but much thinner - this looks like it will be a nice size to hold (obviously, those using a leica will know this already!)

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