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    Fuji's M mount adapter - cool specs framelines!

    The specs for the m-mount adapter are out and you can program in lens info to get the correct framelines and other parameters such as vignetting correction and importantly color corrections on wides.

    Fujifilm launches M-mount adapter for X-Pro1's X-mount: Digital Photography Review
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    It seems to me that the adapter is just used to store lens information which could in principle be stored also in the camera FW, it does not provide any real link between the camera and the lens.
    Do I miss something?

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    Re: Fuji's M mount adapter - cool specs framelines!

    Yeah I guess you could look at it that they want to sell the adapter so you use the button on the adapter to set the lens. They could let you uses a dumb adapter and have you set all the info in the menus.

    I guess I was liking the vignette and color control as well as the framelines if using OVF

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    It doesn't say if the lens correction is applied to only JPG or also Raw files. Ricoh GXR correction only applies to JPG.
    Interesting they have already a list of incompatible lenses, including the Zeiss 35mm C Biogon - that one worked fine on my GXR A12 Mount. I sold the lens recently because the Fujinon 35/1.4 covered that.
    I'll probably get the Fuji adaptor as my experience with the eBay Chinese adaptors has not been good, they were not quite the correct thickness for infinity focus and they were also not perfectly parallel to the sensor plane.
    However the main thing Fuji had to sort out is faster EVF update rates and focus peaking with a choice of user magnification for focus checking. The GXR is miles ahead in this respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    It doesn't say if the lens correction is applied to only JPG or also Raw files. Ricoh GXR correction only applies to JPG.
    Interesting they have already a list of incompatible lenses, including the Zeiss 35mm C Biogon - that one worked fine on my GXR A12 Mount. I sold the lens recently because the Fujinon 35/1.4 covered that.
    I'll probably get the Fuji adaptor as my experience with the eBay Chinese adaptors has not been good, they were not quite the correct thickness for infinity focus and they were also not perfectly parallel to the sensor plane.
    However the main thing Fuji had to sort out is faster EVF update rates and focus peaking with a choice of user magnification for focus checking. The GXR is miles ahead in this respect.
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    In case of Ricoh the color shading corrections and the peripheral illumination corrections go into the raw file also, the distortion corrections goes into the jpg only.
    The User manual is not very clear about that, but I made a quick test some time ago exaggerating the corrections and the effect was clearly visible on the raw file.
    Actually the user manual is only specifying that the distortion correction is not available for the raw file and does not say anything about color shading and peripheral illumination, this is why I tried to test it by myself.

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    Ario, that's interesting, I am fairly sure I tested that and with my GXR it didn't affect the Raw files, I am using Aperture to process them.

    I will have to test that again.
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    Ario, just did a quick test here, shooting Raw + JPG on the GXR where I deliberately modified one corner colour shading. The Raw does not show any correction, but the JPG does. In this quick test I was just using the Preview App in Mac OSX which can read the DNG as a Raw file, but I'm sure Aperture would give the same results. I have not tried Lightroom or ACR, perhaps they can somehow decode that additional information if it is in the Raw file?
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    David I have just tested again the peripheral illumination only and it is evident the effect on the raw (both in LR4 and RPP).
    I have assumed that for the color shade should be the same, but may be this is not correct, I will test it also.

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    Ah OK, I will test the peripheral shading here, I had not tried that. Interesting how these things are not documented very clearly.
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    Ario, I can confirm on GXR that peripheral shading does work with DNG, but Colour Shade correcting does not appear to. Have not tested distortion correction, but I believe you already tested this, so I will take your word for that! Thanks for the interesting discussion, you learn something new every day!
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    The color shading does not seem to affect the file, whether jpg or raw. It seem to only change the LCD in my test. Nevertheless, using the CV 15 I only see some vignetting that can be corrected by peripheral shading. No residual color on corner so I don't think the color shading correction is needed.

    BTW, nothing prevent Fuji from including the profile/correction in the firmware without requiring the use of the official adapter. $200 for the ability to store profile is a bit steep.

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    David, there is something I do not understand, in the attached screenshot from the LR4 import panel it is pretty much evident the effect on the DNG's of the exaggerated color shade correction, for instance on 010417 the reds were forced on the four corners and on the 0010422 the reds were forced on the upper left corner only. In either case the ooc jpg seems to override the corrections I have forced and LR4 is doing the same after import.
    For the peripherical illumination this does not happen, see 0010416, neither in the ooc jpg nor in LR.
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    Is the LR import panel perhaps showing embedded JPGs in the Raw?

    For my tests, I shot two Raw + JPG sets, one with a corner colour shading correction +4 Red the other -4 Red and the resulting DNG files looked the same, while the JPG looked different from each other. (In Aperture or Preview app).

    Same type of test with Peripheral Illumination, the Raw files did differ from each other, as indeed did the JPG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Is the LR import panel perhaps showing embedded JPGs in the Raw?
    Probably yes, but than the raw file sent out of the camera is different from the one that has generated that thumbnail, and also the jpg seems not to consider the color shade corrections.
    I will send an e-mail to Ricoh, may they will be willing to explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ario Arioldi View Post
    Probably yes, but than the raw file sent out of the camera is different from the one that has generated that thumbnail, and also the jpg seems not to consider the color shade corrections.
    I will send an e-mail to Ricoh, may they will be willing to explain.
    You have sort of lost me now, sorry! - Anyway let's see what Ricoh have to say, that will be interesting.

    Going back to Fuji, interesting Adorama claim to have them, yet the new firmware isn't out till June.
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    Interesting that they did not mention focus assists. It would be a waste to offer OVF frame lines without such...

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    I think this is Adorama's trick system in action....where you pay before you find it out of stock....firmware to use it isn't out yet.

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    It's just a pre-order and they don't charge until it's shipped. So, I ordered one.

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    The adaptor doesn't really interest me, but the old fashioned side of me says, why not support the companies that make this forum survive, Amazon, or B&H for example.
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    Just received a note to say mine has been sent and I should receive it tomorrow. Will report back...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I think this is Adorama's trick system in action....where you pay before you find it out of stock....firmware to use it isn't out yet.
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    My Fuji M adaptor arrived.


    Well, where to start?

    The bright lines in the OVF aren't bright - they don't get brighter in brighter light.

    The Mount Adaptor Settings for the lenses (Distortion correction, Color Shading Correction and Peripheral Illumination Correction), cannot be previewed live while you adjust them.

    You have to switch to MF to get the Magnify all to work.

    Of course as we knew, you still have the poor refresh rate of the EVF and the fixed X10 magnify which is hopeless with many focal lengths. No focus peaking of any type.

    It still uses 1/F for the Auto ISO slowest shutter speed. I guess you can fool it by using a false focal length in one of the two user configurable Lens focal length settings.

    They do supply a plastic gauge to check if the rear element of a lens will protude too much or if it's diameter is too large to fit through the small hole at the rear of the adaptor.

    It really isn't a pro solution for RF lenses on the X-Pro 1 camera. I'm sorry to say I will be sticking to my Ricoh GXR A12 Mount for my M lenses.

    It does work and allow you to use your M lenses, but it is just the annoyance of the implementation which gets to me. I tried an LTM CV15, Zeiss 18mm Distagon, Zeiss 25 Biogon, Leica Elmarit 28/2.8, CV 75/2.5 LTM and they all worked, but I can't really see me using them much on the camera.

    I see a small amount of corner smearing on wide angle (just viewed at max magnification the camera LCD so far). I suspect that it isn't as good in the corners as the GXR A12 mount, but will test that later once the rain goes off. Perfectly acceptable for most things. But given that the GXR doesn't smear chroma and has sharp corners on all of my M lenses...

    I have no idea how Fuji expect me to adjust the lens corrections other than by trial and error - take a shot, review, adjust a setting, rinse and repeat. Epic fail.

    I hope that Fuji come out with a fast 35mm equivalent AF lens next year as that is what I currently miss. At a push I could use the Zeiss 25mm Biogon, but it isn't such a nice experience on the X-Pro 1.

    Fortunately I have the GXR for my M lenses, so I'll use that and keep the X-Pro 1 for its trio of fine AF lenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post

    It still uses 1/F for the Auto ISO slowest shutter speed. I guess you can fool it by using a false focal length in one of the two user configurable Lens focal length settings.
    It seems to me that if yo you try to fool it the situation is even worst: 1/30 s for any focal length.
    It is not the best camera to be used with legacy lenses IMHO: poor MF implementation (no focus peaking , fixed enlargement, no image stabilization, slow refresh rate) and absence of micro lenses are deal breakers in this regard.
    Very interesting and good performer (with some flaws) with native lenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    My Fuji M adaptor arrived.


    Well, where to start?

    The bright lines in the OVF aren't bright - they don't get brighter in brighter light.

    The Mount Adaptor Settings for the lenses (Distortion correction, Color Shading Correction and Peripheral Illumination Correction), cannot be previewed live while you adjust them.

    You have to switch to MF to get the Magnify all to work.

    Of course as we knew, you still have the poor refresh rate of the EVF and the fixed X10 magnify which is hopeless with many focal lengths. No focus peaking of any type.

    It still uses 1/F for the Auto ISO slowest shutter speed. I guess you can fool it by using a false focal length in one of the two user configurable Lens focal length settings.

    They do supply a plastic gauge to check if the rear element of a lens will protude too much or if it's diameter is too large to fit through the small hole at the rear of the adaptor.

    It really isn't a pro solution for RF lenses on the X-Pro 1 camera. I'm sorry to say I will be sticking to my Ricoh GXR A12 Mount for my M lenses.

    It does work and allow you to use your M lenses, but it is just the annoyance of the implementation which gets to me. I tried an LTM CV15, Zeiss 18mm Distagon, Zeiss 25 Biogon, Leica Elmarit 28/2.8, CV 75/2.5 LTM and they all worked, but I can't really see me using them much on the camera.

    I see a small amount of corner smearing on wide angle (just viewed at max magnification the camera LCD so far). I suspect that it isn't as good in the corners as the GXR A12 mount, but will test that later once the rain goes off. Perfectly acceptable for most things. But given that the GXR doesn't smear chroma and has sharp corners on all of my M lenses...

    I have no idea how Fuji expect me to adjust the lens corrections other than by trial and error - take a shot, review, adjust a setting, rinse and repeat. Epic fail.

    I hope that Fuji come out with a fast 35mm equivalent AF lens next year as that is what I currently miss. At a push I could use the Zeiss 25mm Biogon, but it isn't such a nice experience on the X-Pro 1.

    Fortunately I have the GXR for my M lenses, so I'll use that and keep the X-Pro 1 for its trio of fine AF lenses.
    Thanks for your review David. I guess I'm not too surprised that this approach to MF and lens correction was doomed to failure. Ricoh has a similar approach for lens correction, but at least they have a much better EVF (although, not built in) and good focus peaking options. Unfortunately, I sold my GXR so I'll just continue using the NEX7 for most of my MF needs now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Thanks for your review David. I guess I'm not too surprised that this approach to MF and lens correction was doomed to failure. Ricoh has a similar approach for lens correction, but at least they have a much better EVF (although, not built in) and good focus peaking options. Unfortunately, I sold my GXR so I'll just continue using the NEX7 for most of my MF needs now.
    Carl, in my view the Ricoh approach is by far better in this regard: wide, almost unrestricted choice on lenses, the peripheral luminance correction goes into the raw file, you can also choose the enlargement ratio for each specific lens, much better refresh rate not to speak about the fact the corner to corner performances of almost any wide angle lens are on a different league.

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    Hi Carl and Ario, suffice to say I am returning the adaptor for the Fuji and will stick with the GXR for M mount. Still love the Fuji and its own lenses though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Hi Carl and Ario, suffice to say I am returning the adaptor for the Fuji and will stick with the GXR for M mount. Still love the Fuji and its own lenses though.
    David, Did you check to see if any of the lens corrections are recorded in raw or only jpeg?
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    Sorry Carl I didn't. I didn't even try the corrections because I couldn't see them live on the camera. It was all just too painful and silly for words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    David, Did you check to see if any of the lens corrections are recorded in raw or only jpeg?
    I put this question directly to Fuji and the answer was: "jpeg only".

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    Thanks Ario.
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    Seems like these are beginning to hit the stores in the US. My dealer just got a delivery this week - I pick mine up on Friday
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    My Fuji M adaptor arrived.


    Well, where to start?

    The bright lines in the OVF aren't bright - they don't get brighter in brighter light.

    The Mount Adaptor Settings for the lenses (Distortion correction, Color Shading Correction and Peripheral Illumination Correction), cannot be previewed live while you adjust them.

    You have to switch to MF to get the Magnify all to work.

    Of course as we knew, you still have the poor refresh rate of the EVF and the fixed X10 magnify which is hopeless with many focal lengths. No focus peaking of any type.

    It still uses 1/F for the Auto ISO slowest shutter speed. I guess you can fool it by using a false focal length in one of the two user configurable Lens focal length settings.

    They do supply a plastic gauge to check if the rear element of a lens will protude too much or if it's diameter is too large to fit through the small hole at the rear of the adaptor.

    It really isn't a pro solution for RF lenses on the X-Pro 1 camera. I'm sorry to say I will be sticking to my Ricoh GXR A12 Mount for my M lenses.

    It does work and allow you to use your M lenses, but it is just the annoyance of the implementation which gets to me. I tried an LTM CV15, Zeiss 18mm Distagon, Zeiss 25 Biogon, Leica Elmarit 28/2.8, CV 75/2.5 LTM and they all worked, but I can't really see me using them much on the camera.

    I see a small amount of corner smearing on wide angle (just viewed at max magnification the camera LCD so far). I suspect that it isn't as good in the corners as the GXR A12 mount, but will test that later once the rain goes off. Perfectly acceptable for most things. But given that the GXR doesn't smear chroma and has sharp corners on all of my M lenses...

    I have no idea how Fuji expect me to adjust the lens corrections other than by trial and error - take a shot, review, adjust a setting, rinse and repeat. Epic fail.

    I hope that Fuji come out with a fast 35mm equivalent AF lens next year as that is what I currently miss. At a push I could use the Zeiss 25mm Biogon, but it isn't such a nice experience on the X-Pro 1.

    Fortunately I have the GXR for my M lenses, so I'll use that and keep the X-Pro 1 for its trio of fine AF lenses.
    Reading your review I think for me the only thing that makes sense is using fuji lenses on the x pro 1 -except maybe occasional use of a special lens.
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