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    Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    I'm sure a lot of you know of Sandy McGuffog (sandymc on GetDPI), the author of CornerFix and PhotoRAW for iOS. Sandy has also blogged in detail about the problems in demosaicing the Fuji X Trans sensor.

    Sandy has been teasing us on his ChromaSoft blog about a new software product he is busy writing for the Macintosh, so I was anxious to find out what it was all about, as he had indicated that it was capable of processing the Fuji X-Pro 1 raw files, and I was already impressed by PhotoRAW's processing of those raw files.

    I PM'd Sandy and he kindly sent me a link to a beta version of his new app.

    So far I am very impressed with the results. It doesn't suffer from water colour effect like LR 4 and it has good controls for artefact reduction, allowing the user to reach a good balance between resolution and lack of colour artefacts. It is still beta software with the usual cautions, but never-the-less it is most promising.

    This is a file processed with the new App, chosen not for it's artistic qualities, but because it is one that does easily show up water colour effects on the distant foliage, or colour artefacts on edges on buildings.

    Download fullsize JPG (in ProPhoto RGB)


    Please contact sandymc by PM if you would like to try the beta. Note it is Macintosh OS X only (Intel Mac with OS X 10.7 and newer). It does process other camera raw files besides the X trans, but I have not tried any other types yet myself.
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Thank you David.
    I have just downloaded AccuRaw and at the first look it is really very promising.
    It seems that Sandy, as usual, has done a very good job.

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    Thanks, interesting. Just out of curiosity, I wonder if it would be possible to see the same image processed with LR4 too?

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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Quote Originally Posted by emr View Post
    Thanks, interesting. Just out of curiosity, I wonder if it would be possible to see the same image processed with LR4 too?
    Sure:

    Lightroom version fullsize

    Slightly Different processing by Sandy's App now unsharpened fullsize
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Thanks for the image comparison.

    It would appear there is less chroma smearing from Sandy's converter but there is such a luminance difference it is hard to tell

    Thanks again

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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Woody I have replaced the original file with another, so try and download that now. Also note the last one I posted was without any curves applied. LR I used the default processing, nothing else.
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    I decided to play with Sandy's file adding contrast and sharpening to bring it to roughly the same general look as the lR file.

    I think the Sandy file clearly shows the absence of chroma smearing seen in the lightroom file.

    I look forward to Sandy's converter becoming available

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    Graham, the nice thing with Sandy's App is that you have 3 sliders for controlling detail v artefacts - Chroma Artefact Suppression, Luma Artefact Suppression and post-demosaic filtering. So, depending on the type of image content you have, you can adjust to taste.
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Hi Guys,
    Just joined and this is my first post, though I plan on being an active member and contributing to the community.

    I've shot with Canon pro gear for many years as a pro motorsports photographers for two major racetracks in California, Laguna Seca and Sonoma (nee Infineon nee Sears Point) Raceway.

    Just recently discovered the wonderful Fujifilm X-cameras, and presently have an X10 and an X-Pro1; love 'em both.

    I've seen Sandy's blog and read about his commendable efforts previously. So, it's great to hear of the advent of a new X-trans RAW processor on the horizon.

    Just a heads up that I've also been working with a beta of Capture One 7.02 that supports Fuji X-Trans conversion, and it have it say, it's killer! Very, very pleased with the results so far. The Beta tester NDA prevents me from posting images until 7.02 is officially released, but just wanted to let you guys know that another superb X-trans RAW conversion app is due to appear in the near term.

    Cheers,
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Hi Stephen and welcome to the forum, good to hear you are on the beta trial of C1. We have some other members on it as well, and there is a thread about it in this part of the forum.

    Pity that Apple's Aperture Engineers appear to have ignored the Fuji X-trans so far and that Adobe have made such a poor attempt at it, that the camera JPGs are actually much better than Adobe's raw conversions!

    So it is good to hear that much progress has been made by some of the other software players with the X-trans raw processing.
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Another example from Sandy's beta processor, Fuji X-Pro 1 35mm at f/2.8.



    Link to fullsize JPG
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    I think the Sandy file clearly shows the absence of chroma smearing seen in the lightroom file.
    Could you please show where that could be seen? I'm just trying to learn something here, not contradicting what you say.

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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    David,
    Would you please compare the red color of the door to the life preserver to rendering in LR4/ACR or other processors available to you?
    I find significant differences in the the rendering of red in the various processors
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    The reds (and all colours) are different between all raw processors I have tried. The JPG OOC of course depend on which 'film type' has been selected. LR seems to oversaturate the colours at default settings. I have also played with custom camera profiles, and even using the same camera profile, the colours are different between processors.

    I just noticed that Adobe crop the raw file size by 56 pixels in width and 24 pixels in height. This way they get around the difficult to interpolate edge pixels that other processors are showing on the frame edges in some images.
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Thank you for your reply.
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Quote Originally Posted by emr View Post
    Could you please show where that could be seen? I'm just trying to learn something here, not contradicting what you say.
    Sure

    The difference is in the grasses. The XRaw file doesn't have the smearing like the Lightroom (or Photoshop files) Frankly it was even more obvious before I started messing with the contrast etc to make the XRaw file more like the Lightroom version.

    I have since gotten the Beta version of XRaw myself and find I can now make very realistic appearing files.

    These are simply my impressions. I have done no scientific comparisons to date.

    I am also very interested in how Capture One Pro processes these files once the beta is released. It would be nice not to have to go to different processors depending on the camera one uses
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    AccuRaw is very promising indeed. This is one of my 'test' pics and it is rendered very well:



    A larger version:

    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8501/8...52e701c8_k.jpg

    This was exported from AccuRaw as JPEG and then imported into LR, where it was sharpened slightly in LR and a few minor tone adjustments only.

    I also have C1 beta. I have been spending many of the rainy UK days over the holidays comparing and my eyes are starting to boggle

    Happy New Year to all X-trans lovers ...

    Lee

    P.S. AccuRaw renders X100 files very well too
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    A raw converter that would not have Highlight Recovery is not for me.

    Even if LR is my main tool the integration with C1 is very easy for me.


    Also to watch for with 3rd party tools is how the preserve metadata.
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    B5 isn't feature complete

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    Sandy, get me right I really admire the work you do. But making a good RC is a tall order these days.
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    A raw converter that would not have Highlight Recovery is not for me.

    Even if LR is my main tool the integration with C1 is very easy for me.


    Also to watch for with 3rd party tools is how the preserve metadata.
    Uwe,

    My main software is LR. IT looks like I will have to get C1 to get the best RC for my Fuji. Can you offer any ideas on the best way to integrate the two applications?

    Thanks
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    My point was, the intention of the beta is not just to find bugs, it's to find out what additional features are important to users. AccuRaw can't ever compete with LR or C1, nor was it ever intended to. But it can be useful to photographers that want a product focussed on accuracy of rendering - both color and demosaicing - as a supplement to Photoshop/LR/C1/Aperture or whatever else.

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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    >AccuRaw can't ever compete with LR or C1, nor was it ever intended to. But it can be useful to photographers that want a product focussed on accuracy of rendering - both color and demosaicing - as a supplement to Photoshop/LR/C1/Aperture or whatever else.

    Seems a good step in the right direction then.

    >Can you offer any ideas on the best way to integrate the two applications?

    1. Import files into LR4
    2. Open these files in C1 and do basic processing
    3. Develop from C1 into a temp folder (for C1 exports). We use mainly JPEGs because all the heavy lifting was done in C1. Of course you can use also 16 bit TIFFs.
    4. Sync that folder in LR 4
    5. Add all final touches in LR
    6. Export image as DNG to my master folders (DNG keeps all edits)

    I posted also this article some time ago:

    http://www.outbackphoto.net/lightroo...processor.html
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >AccuRaw can't ever compete with LR or C1, nor was it ever intended to. But it can be useful to photographers that want a product focussed on accuracy of rendering - both color and demosaicing - as a supplement to Photoshop/LR/C1/Aperture or whatever else.

    Seems a good step in the right direction then.

    >Can you offer any ideas on the best way to integrate the two applications?

    1. Import files into LR4
    2. Open these files in C1 and do basic processing
    3. Develop from C1 into a temp folder (for C1 exports). We use mainly JPEGs because all the heavy lifting was done in C1. Of course you can use also 16 bit TIFFs.
    4. Sync that folder in LR 4
    5. Add all final touches in LR
    6. Export image as DNG to my master folders (DNG keeps all edits)

    I posted also this article some time ago:

    outbackphoto - Lightroom Artistry - Using other Raw Converters as Lightroom*Pre-Processor
    Thank you - and best wishes for 2013!

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    I also import into LR4 and process in C1 but haven't as yet found an elegant way to send files from LR to C1 without causing occasional crashes of C1. John Beardworth's open directly program doesn't send a single file to C1 but the whole folder and C1 doesn't always like that.
    I now import into C1 and backup the files into the appropriate folder in my images folder and then synch that into the LR library.
    I have also tried working the combination using Media PRO, but two catalogs can only lead to a mess.
    I would appreciate any advice you can give me on a good workflow
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    Sandy, I saw a sample processed by your AccuRaw on another forum. IMO it is doing a better job than C1 in that sample. Just want to say thank you for your effort and contribution and what a fine job you are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandymc View Post
    My point was, the intention of the beta is not just to find bugs, it's to find out what additional features are important to users. AccuRaw can't ever compete with LR or C1, nor was it ever intended to. But it can be useful to photographers that want a product focussed on accuracy of rendering - both color and demosaicing - as a supplement to Photoshop/LR/C1/Aperture or whatever else.

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    Sandy,

    Do you see advantage to using AccuRaw for other cameras' raw output? The Fujis are seriously problematic, I'm sure it will really help raw conversion processing there, but my cameras are the Leica X2, Ricoh GXR, Leica M9 and Olympus E-1. LR 4 seems to do a very good job with these, I'm curious as to how AccuRaw will compare.

    I've missed info on what to do to obtain a beta copy for evaluation.

    thanks
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    Godfrey,

    AccuRaw is intended to be a "technically accurate" raw converter, both as regards color rendition and demosiacing. As you know, existing raw converters take a number of decisions out of the hands of the user in favor of giving results that will look good immediately, with as little effort as possible in post. So, e.g., there are hue twists to make the sky a more vivid blue, the grass more green, etc - "Hollywood color". Which is great in many situations, and you can understand why companies do that, and why users like it. But sometimes what you really want is a neutral starting point, and fine grained control over of demosaicing parameters, color rendition, etc.

    So AccuRaw is really is niche product for users that value a starting point that is as close as possible to what the camera saw.

    It just so happens that fine grained control over the demosaicing process makes AccuRaw useful for the Fuji X-Trans, but really AccuRaw is designed for all cameras.

    The beta for the current version is now over, but the beta for the next version should start in a week or two. PM me your email address if you want to be involved.

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Sandy,

    Do you see advantage to using AccuRaw for other cameras' raw output? The Fujis are seriously problematic, I'm sure it will really help raw conversion processing there, but my cameras are the Leica X2, Ricoh GXR, Leica M9 and Olympus E-1. LR 4 seems to do a very good job with these, I'm curious as to how AccuRaw will compare.

    I've missed info on what to do to obtain a beta copy for evaluation.

    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandymc View Post
    My point was, the intention of the beta is not just to find bugs, it's to find out what additional features are important to users. AccuRaw can't ever compete with LR or C1, nor was it ever intended to. But it can be useful to photographers that want a product focussed on accuracy of rendering - both color and demosaicing - as a supplement to Photoshop/LR/C1/Aperture or whatever else.

    Sandy
    Hi Sandy,

    I am highly interested in your RAW converter, especially for Sigma X3F files of the Foveon Sensor. I mainly use LR4 for my workflow with my different cameras, but there is no LR4 compatibility for the SD15, SD1 Merrill, DP2 Merrill.

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    Thanks Sandy. I've sent you a PM.

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    No Foveon support, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4711 View Post
    Hi Sandy,

    I am highly interested in your RAW converter, especially for Sigma X3F files of the Foveon Sensor. I mainly use LR4 for my workflow with my different cameras, but there is no LR4 compatibility for the SD15, SD1 Merrill, DP2 Merrill.

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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Any chance of a Windows version? Please.
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    To justify that, AccuRaw would have to be successful beyond my wildest dreams.

    So I wouldn't hold my breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mranger211 View Post
    Any chance of a Windows version? Please.

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    I guess/hope we are near to another beta being released for AccuRAW.

    I have CapturePro 7.0.2 which is much better than Lightroom or ACR with respect to rendering of the image more cleanly (no/much less painterly effects).

    However the cataloguing part of the program is a disaster as it doesnt work very well at all as it keeps crashing on my Mac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jknights View Post
    I guess/hope we are near to another beta being released for AccuRAW.

    I have CapturePro 7.0.2 which is much better than Lightroom or ACR with respect to rendering of the image more cleanly (no/much less painterly effects).

    However the cataloguing part of the program is a disaster as it doesnt work very well at all as it keeps crashing on my Mac.
    I still use LR4 as main tool because the LR catalog has certain functions not (yet?) available in C07, but with exception of very few crashes at the very beginning, I think mainly due to Open CL, my experimental CO7 catalogs are running smoothly on both my two mac's (only few hundred pics so far).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jknights View Post
    I guess/hope we are near to another beta being released for AccuRAW.

    I have CapturePro 7.0.2 which is much better than Lightroom or ACR with respect to rendering of the image more cleanly (no/much less painterly effects).

    However the cataloguing part of the program is a disaster as it doesnt work very well at all as it keeps crashing on my Mac.
    I had this same problem with the catalog, but Phase One support with VERY much patience during 22 back and forth contacts! helped me solve it.
    I have never experienced such support from any software company.
    It now works well (5000 images including large medium format files so far and growing)
    They sent me a script which toggles open CL and that has worked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archiM44 View Post
    I had this same problem with the catalog, but Phase One support with VERY much patience during 22 back and forth contacts! helped me solve it.
    I have never experienced such support from any software company.
    It now works well (5000 images including large medium format files so far and growing)
    They sent me a script which toggles open CL and that has worked.
    How about sharing with those of us who also need these solutions?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    How about sharing with those of us who also need these solutions?

    Thanks

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    Woody,
    I didn't think it would be a good idea to have someone else run a script on their machine when that might do more harm than good, and figured it would be better to point the way to Phase One support and have the crash report from the console utility sent to them so they could analyze the specific problem.
    In my case they said it was crashing in the image core, whatever that may be.
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ario Arioldi View Post
    I still use LR4 as main tool because the LR catalog has certain functions not (yet?) available in C07, but with exception of very few crashes at the very beginning, I think mainly due to Open CL, my experimental CO7 catalogs are running smoothly on both my two mac's (only few hundred pics so far).
    Looking to do an import of all my images (120000).
    I still have to scan my negatives and slides from the previous 25/30 years prior to digital!

    I currently have Lightroom but while it does a fair job cataloguing the Develop module doesnt work for me at all!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jknights View Post
    Looking to do an import of all my images (120000).
    I still have to scan my negatives and slides from the previous 25/30 years prior to digital!

    I currently have Lightroom but while it does a fair job cataloguing the Develop module doesnt work for me at all!!
    I was advised by Phase One support not to import the whole library at once.
    At the moment I am keeping it down to 5-10000 images at a time with no problems.
    I import as a referencing catalog and don't import images into the catalog.
    A good reason for not importing a great amount of images at a time, is that generating previews takes some time and if anything goes wrong a lot of time is lost
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Quote Originally Posted by archiM44 View Post
    Woody,
    I didn't think it would be a good idea to have someone else run a script on their machine when that might do more harm than good, and figured it would be better to point the way to Phase One support and have the crash report from the console utility sent to them so they could analyze the specific problem.
    In my case they said it was crashing in the image core, whatever that may be.
    Thanks Maurice

    Can't argue with your logic. I'll contact Phase

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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

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    Thanks Maurice

    Can't argue with your logic. I'll contact Phase

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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    Thanks Maurice

    Can't argue with your logic. I'll contact Phase

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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    That link is not supposed to be shared.

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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    That link is not supposed to be shared.
    Hardly matters. We Beta testers are already on Beta 0.9.7!

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    Actually the same link would work for 0.9.7.

    Don't want to overwhelm Sandy with emails when he's got coding to do. He has enough beta testers at the moment, hopefully a public beta is soon!
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Beta 9 ...
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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Anybody using AccuRaw and Capture 7.0.2? I'm trying to decide whether the latter, relative to the former, is worth the $300.

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    Re: Promising new Mac RAW app for Fuji X Trans

    Release Candidate 1 ...

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    RC 1 crashed my MBP first x3 I attempted to work with an Xpro1 RAW file.

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