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    Fuji X-E1 Review

    For anyone who's interested, I've just published my review of the Fujifilm X-E1 camera.

    Fujifilm X-E1 Review

    My overall impression of this camera is that, while they share much of their internals, it's not built to complement the X-Pro1 (which is really built for pros), but rather for what I like to call "photo enthusiasts". That is, those who like photography, and may shoot a lot, but don't really care about the details of the equipment. At least that's my take on Fuji's intentions with this camera.

    As always, please feel free to ask a question or leave a comment on the site! I'm always happy to get some feedback there.
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    As for the XE1 being for "photo enthusiats," my Canon 5dmk2 quit in the middle of a studio session just today. Took out my XE1 and just continued on as if nothing had happened. Quality is equal, jpg's are great so don't even need to convert raw files. I could have gone with my Hasselblad H3d2-39, but it would have been overkill for this client.

    In addition, the XE1 with it's smaller size was a joy on 4 week, 4,000 image trip to Europe. Traveling very light, the pop-up flash of the XE1 (lacking on larger X-Pro1) was surprisingly handy and smaller size of the XE1 was welcome when you are wearing it virtually all day, every day.

    I'm not sure what qualifies as a "photo enthusiast." I think to get the best out of the XE1 or X-Pro1 one needs to be well versed in at least the basics of photography. These cameras are not for those that want a nice point and shoot. And I am one who "cares about the details of the equipment."

    Why does the XE1 have to complement the X-Pro1? It's a separate camera who's files are exactly equal to the X-Pro1. Does the BMW 3 series have to complement the BMW 7 series? My tuxedo doesn't complement my regular suit. This isn't paring a wine with dinner. It's just a tool to get you a great file. You like the X-Pro1 better. Sweet. That's how your feel. It works better for you and I'm glad Fuji made two models that we both can enjoy in our own way. But it doesn't make one better than the other, just different. And, again, files will be the same.

    As with all cameras, the most important piece of equipment is about 6" or 15cm in back of the lens.
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Hey David.

    Please don't take this the wrong way, but it sounds like you didn't read my review...at all.

    I've basically said a lot of what you've mentioned above. In my review, I try to make it clear that it's not the camera for me, but that it's still a great camera.

    Also, by calling it a camera for "photo enthusiasts", I'm suggesting that that is what Fuji's marketing department is envisioning, not of what I think the camera is capable. (Perhaps re-read my OP?) I've seen plenty of iPhone photos that are better than Phase One photos! It all has to do with personal preference here.

    I also say in my review that some people will prefer the X-E1 over the X-Pro, and so you're a great example of that! And I also say that they provide the same image quality, which you have also pointed out. Ditto with the smaller size, the flash, etc.

    Any camera can be used by a professional to get professional results...that's not too difficult to figure out. Professionals know what they're doing. What's harder is getting an amateur to produce consistently great results on a camera that's advanced enough to be considered a professional camera.

    I think that using a "tunnel" OVF can be very challenging for those used to SLRs or P&S cameras, and so the X-E1 is more accessible in that manner. (Yes, the X-Pro1 has an EVF too, but why pay more for a bigger camera if you're not going to use the OVF?) Again, nothing to do with what the camera can do, but rather, to whom it's marketed.

    The X-E1 also has all of the automatic modes and film simulations, etc., that consumers want. Sometimes professionals use those features too, but it's mainly non-professionals who drive those features to be included.

    I said that the camera is aimed at photo enthusiasts who might not care about all the technical details of their equipment. I didn't say you didn't care about those details. But what the design means is that someone who doesn't care about them can have a great experience none the less.

    I also never said that the X-E1 should complement the X-Pro1. I just said it didn't. With the mirrorless market becoming more and more crowded, I find it interesting to see where manufacturers position their products. No one is talking about BMWs or Tuxedos here!

    A while ago I wrote a review on the X10, and I loved it. No it's not very expensive, the image quality isn't up to par with X-Pro1 or X-E1 (let alone my Phase One back), it's a fixed zoom, etc., etc., but I still thoroughly enjoyed using it. It just worked for me. The X-E1 didn't. And I say just that in my review.

    Finally, I'm not sure why there seems to be this type of deep-seeded reaction to criticisms of a product. I'm not criticising you or your choice or how you arrived at your choice. I'm delivering my observations of a particular product. I think all too often we see it as a personal attack when someone doesn't like something we've spent our hard-earned money on. We want others to affirm our decision to buy A over B.
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    JR,

    I did read your review. I think it's fine. We agree pretty much. What I disagreed with much more was your post. "My overall impression of this camera is that, while they share much of their internals, it's not built to complement the X-Pro1 (which is really built for pros), but rather for what I like to call "photo enthusiasts". I couldn't tell if you were trying to say you felt the XE1 needs to complement the XPro1 or you were saying it was intentionally built not to complement the XPro1.

    I have no problem with anyone criticizing the Fuji line. Heck, I have a list of things I'd like them to work on myself. Unlike many reviews I've seen you have some experience with both models so your observations are more useful than someone who just gets a body in the mail and writes a review.

    I guess there's no way to define "photo enthusiast" and that's the problem. Frankly, I don't care very much about X-tran or CMOS or CCD sensor as long as I get the results I need. Yes, I do know what the differences are, but that's why we pick up one camera or another for a particular type of photography. I don't care how image stabilization actually works; I just want to know where the button is to turn it on or off. So I don't care about all the technical details about equipment. But I do understand what your point is about the target market for the X series. I do think the target market may have been larger than expected in that you've got users moving from dslr's and those who might have longed for a Leica M in addition to the person moving from p&s to something more capable.

    Have to say, I think an amateur can get pretty darn consistent results with a p&s or dslr today if you are just talking about a well exposed file. Add to that instant gratification, instant review of an image in the lcd, etc. and they can get results that make them happy. But " consistently great results" is what a professional has to do to stay in business.

    Yes. I think most professionals don't use the film simulations that much. Most professionals probably see the final result in their mind before they release the shutter, then give it some attention in Photoshop to get the result they envisioned rather than be saddled with a particular film simulation. But I think there's nothing wrong with using an automatic mode as long as you know when and how to over-ride it.

    What I see when it comes to criticism of the X series is people want the camera to do everything possible under the photographic sun. They want medium format quality at ultra high iso with amazing focusing ability in a lightweight, small form package with inexpensive lenses and a build that will last for a generation. Well, maybe the tooth fairy will bring them the perfect camera, but it's not here yet. And the closest thing to it is a high quality dslr as it does most things very well. I've also seen some reviews that I had the feeling the reviewer panned a camera just because he had big fingers and couldn't get to easily make adjustments on the camera.

    Bottom line is we agree on most things. Sometimes we write something and it's harder to clarify than if we had a face to face conversation. Sorry if I'm splitting hairs or dissecting some obscure line of mishnah.

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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    I think we're in vehement agreement!

    Again, my comment re. the X-E1 for photo enthusiasts and not professionals is my take on where Fuji's marketers are positioning the camera. That's why I said it doesn't complement the X-Pro1. The marketing department clearly markets the X-Pro1 to pros, and overall, I don't think they intend the X-E1 to compete or be complementary with the X-Pro1 - they're aiming at a slightly different segment.

    But again, that's my speculation on Fuji's intentions, not my opinion of the camera's capabilities.

    Hope that clarifies things!
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    I'd also like to just add that this whole published camera/equipment review thing is quite new to me! I'm always looking to improve and give my readers more of what they want...whatever that is.

    I think I can offer something that a lot of other review sites don't, and that's personal opinion. I tend not to go into too much detail on technical specs and pixel-peeping comparisons with other gear, but instead talk about my overall impression, the feel, the je ne sais quoi that can't be conveyed by technical specs and numbers.

    There are plenty of other resources for tech specs and whatnot, but to me, those numbers have very little value if the camera isn't a joy to use...and that can only be described by personal (and subjective) opinion.

    That said, if readers want something else or if I'm not doing a good job of providing that editorial view, I'd love to know what it is I can do to change!
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    But I think it's safe to say if Fuji decides to discontinue one of these models, it's the X-Pro1 that's going to be laid to rest.

    At least in ads in (so called) professional photography magazines (Rangefinder, PPA) I really haven't noticed a difference in the ads for either camera. I was talking to a guy from Hasselblad in NYC and we were talking about the high number of non-professionals who use rather expensive and high end medium format digital cameras. His estimation was at at least 1/3 of the market is made up of non-professionals and without them the majority of the medium format market would be in danger of collapsing. The point is aiming marketing at professionals is not just marketing aimed at professionals.

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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by David Schneider View Post
    But I think it's safe to say if Fuji decides to discontinue one of these models, it's the X-Pro1 that's going to be laid to rest.
    I'm curious why you say that?

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    What I've come to like in the X-E1 is the electronic viewfinder. As an "Oldie" it's a new thing to me and I love the fact I can see my exposure and depth of field, to some extent. OK I'm sure they will get better but for now I'm just enjoying something new and would like to see an improved version in the X Pro2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white.elephant View Post
    I'm curious why you say that?
    Seems sales of XE1 are stronger, cost to produce is less, price is very close so from a marketing/manufacturing/bottom-line standpoint it would make sense if one had to go it would be the XPro1.

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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Hmm, not exactly a review, but more a statement about not liking a camera, and hardly substantiated - by comparison of personal feelings towards using a 'pro' camera (what is a pro camera anyway?). Further referring to what Fuji would describe as a pro camera or not as an argument for your statement made me think you were weakening the seriousness of your 'review' :-) no offence really: I really am interested in other members opinions about the quirks of a camera and what they like about it and not.....
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Ron, in all seriousness, can I ask what would constitute a "review" to you (seeing as you think this is not one)?

    I generally want to avoid long lists of technical specs and pixel-peeping 100% crop side-by-side comparisons. There are way too many other sites out there that do a great job of that. I want my reviews/write-ups/whatever-you-want-to-call-them to have a personal touch - an actual human opinion from someone who's really used the camera.

    For this review, given how similar the X-E1 and X-Pro1 cameras are, I didn't want to repeat myself from my X-Pro1 review (to which I refer at the beginning of the write-up). For that reason, I didn't go into image quality, speed, etc., because they are identical to the X-Pro1.

    I do disagree with your analysis of my review, however. I don't say that I don't like the camera. In fact, I say that it's a great camera, but that it's not the camera for me. The only substantial difference between the X-E1 and the X-Pro1 is the viewfinder, and it's this difference that has me choose the X-Pro1.

    This has nothing to do with a "pro" label, and I never said that I would only use a "pro" camera. What I said is that *I* would buy the X-Pro1 over the X-E1. Given that they're nearly identical cameras (save the viewfinder), and how little the price differential is, I would just go for the X-Pro1.

    But I also say that the X-E1 could be a great compromise for a lot of people and that some photographers (and I've met a few) would prefer the X-E1 for all the reasons I mention in the article.
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    The problem here is that this is not a review but merely a superficial and negatively toned impression........(As it happens I don't use a fuji camera, am never likely to do so and have never seen any fuji camera in the 'flesh')

    This impression of the XE-1 foundered with the early mention of the phrase "photo enthusiast", which is effectivley a curse to any camera! Your impression simplified comes across as;

    ............" I have the status of being a pro photographer who uses artistic and photographic skills and I would not use this camera because it's mainly 'for' people who like having cameras but have no skills or abilities to make successful images..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugleone View Post
    The problem here is that this is not a review but merely a superficial and negatively toned impression........(As it happens I don't use a fuji camera, am never likely to do so and have never seen any fuji camera in the 'flesh')

    This impression of the XE-1 foundered with the early mention of the phrase "photo enthusiast", which is effectivley a curse to any camera! Your impression simplified comes across as;

    ............" I have the status of being a pro photographer who uses artistic and photographic skills and I would not use this camera because it's mainly 'for' people who like having cameras but have no skills or abilities to make successful images..."
    A) The only time I used the words "photo enthusiast" is here, on GetDPI, in regards to my impression of to whom Fuji is marketing this camera, and at the very end of my write-up to say that it would be "a welcome gift". Hardly a kiss of death! This has already been discussed above.

    B) Your 'paraphrase' of my write-up couldn't be further from correct. I'm quite clear that the X-E1 is not a bad camera and that the only significant difference between it and the X-Pro1 is the viewfinder, and that I far prefer the optical viewfinder in the X-Pro1 over that of the X-E1. I also say that other's prefer the X-E1.

    C) What's the point of saying "I don't use a fuji camera, am never likely to do so and have never seen any fuji camera in the 'flesh'"? Why is that relevant to anything?

    If I'm wrong, and I do come off as sounding like I wouldn't use a camera simply because it isn't the most expensive or doesn't have the "pro" designation, then I've clearly missed the mark in my writing and need to clarify my impression...because THAT is not it.
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    In preparing any review or technical appraisal, (as I know to my cost!) it's vital to keep away from 'subliminal damnation' and by including phrases such as "photo enthusiast", "consumer friendly" & "hard not to at least like it" etc, you have administered crushing backhanded compliments, frankly! In addition, your "....I'm a pro so this is not for me" comments are at the very least unhelpful. To someone like me who has never seen the camera let alone had the chance to handle and inspect it, but who would like to, the impression given is that this is NOT for serious image makers whether pro or otherwise......After all is said; that's the reason I read your 'review', ie, to find out about something that interests me.........

    My comment that you have quoted in 'C' was to ascertain that I am not offended by your damning a camera that I have spent money on, or that I have any allegiance to, so I'm trying to be constructive here,...I'm not a slapped fanboy!

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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Sorry to say folks - but WHO IS INTERESTED IN THIS DISCUSSION ?????

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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Well obviously you're not interested, but then, you don't have to read it, do you?

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    Personally, I am interested ... not in all the critiques of the critiques this thread seems to have triggered, but in this class of camera. I am in the market to buy one because I opted out of the M240 I ordered, and decided to concentrate on M Mono work with a rangefinder.

    The above situation leaves me without a smallish color camera for certain applications ... applications that do not warrant spending $7,000 on a M240 body. However, just because I may scale back the camera, I am NOT about to suddenly alter my way of shooting as a professional photographer, or the situations I may use such a camera for. I do not have an enthusiast/professional switch on my brain.

    So, I for one appreciate someone actually expressing a personal opinion about certain features. If a reviewer simply delivers neutral data in prose form with some photos, I can get that faster from reading the specification page and looking a "fun with" thread. One is free to filter out certain opinions based on having different criteria than the reviewer, but still appreciate someone actually having an opinion based on their use.

    I like, want, prefer someone to say that the "inclusion of an adjustable diopter is more consumer friendly" ... because it IS. Anyone who has gone through all the BS of adding a screw in diopters on a Leica M will appreciate that information, in that context as a reminder. In fact, if I wrote the review I'd warn inexperienced buyers what a major PITA not having an adjustable diopter in some of these cameras can be ... because it IS!

    I also really appreciate the reviewer's opinion regarding the lack of a hybrid OVF/EVF ... and I'd probably make the same distinction between both cameras ... the X-E1 being more of an "enthusiasts" camera. Not because Fuji is marketing it as such ... I couldn't care less what Fuji's target marketing may be.

    My opinion on this viewfinder subject is based on direct experience in trying to use a EVF only camera for various Professional applications ... namely the Sony A99, and Sony NEX cameras. Just because a Pro can use an EVF camera in some specific situation, doesn't mean it works in all the various situations one may professionally encounter, or expect such a camera to perform in. In the case of EVF only cameras I am of the opinion that none of them are Pro level ... yet. Not because a Pro can't use one to shoot professional, for pay photography. That isn't the point. The point is that pro camera can NOT get in the way when the chips are down, and these EVF only cameras DO get in the way ... often at the most critical moment.

    Despite all the "you get what you see" advantages of an EVF, the disadvantages in certain "must have" situations makes it not ready for prime time. I was reminded of this ... again ... at last Friday's wedding gig. I had to let my second shooter use my A900, and had to shoot with the A99 ... at one point I considered smashing the freaking thing on the concrete ... not because I don't know how to use it, I've had the camera for quite awhile now ... for one thing (one of many), because the refresh rate was to slow, and at the dark wedding reception the viewfinder was streaking. There is a host of other BS I had to over-come ... but this isn't a review of the A99.

    My thanks to the reviewer for his impressions and opinions ... and IMHO next time get more aggressive with them, because beating around the bush doesn't help anyone in collecting various reviews about a possible purchase ... and who cares what critiques current owners may have of your review ... they already made a decision and are free to express their opinion by way of counter points based on their experiences ... preferably by writing their own review.

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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    I think I have written it somewhere else before:
    One of the biggest advantages in the X-System I found was/is that OVF/HybridVF. Thats why I really did not understand why so many prefer the xe1 over the x-pro1.
    I sold my x-pro1 for other reasons, but if I would get back in it would allways be the x1-pro again.
    I have used EVF again over the last days with the X-Vario, and for me all EVF I have tried are still a compromise. Specially if the light gets bright and harsh OVF is much better working for me.
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugleone View Post
    Well obviously you're not interested, but then, you don't have to read it, do you?
    I actually referred not to the original topic of this thread, which is interesting, but the direction it was moving since some pretty long time .....

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    "....I'm a pro so this is not for me" comments are at the very least unhelpful.
    Bugleone, I'm only going to say this one more time. I never said anything like that and you're categorically misrepresenting me.

    Fact of the matter is, the X-E1 is not the camera for me and the reason for this is the lack of OVF. I've been very clear on this. This has nothing to do with pro or not or anything else. I've used plenty of non-"pro" cameras and have loved using them. My Minnox 35GT is a great example!

    At the end of the day, I've never used an EVF that I've liked better than an OVF and the X-E1 just doesn't do it for me. Period. And I stand by everything I've said in my review.

    Between the X-Pro1 and the X-E1, you absolutely get what you pay for, and I think the extra few hundred on the X-Pro1 is entirely worth it. Whereas the X-E1 is just one of many comparable EVIL cameras...there's nothing overly special about it.
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    I must say that OVF was very comfortable and ironically the extra height it forces upon the camera body adds to the heft and quality feel of the whole.
    For these two reasons the X-Pro1 'felt' better than the X-E1 when I handled them recently for a few test pictures.
    Having said that : thanks for the review, I've read it ... and here's some fan for the flames : I also feel Bugleone has half a point in his post #15.
    You could tweak some wording in your review to be less dismissive of folk who might prefer the X-E1, after all the only real difference seems to be the viewfinder.
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by JRBERNSTEIN View Post
    Whereas the X-E1 is just one of many comparable EVIL cameras...there's nothing overly special about it.
    I always thought (still do) that it (OVF/EVF hybrid) was a carry over from the X100 where it alone was the special feature.

    With the X-Pro, starting with the X-Pro, Fuji could sell something that is a special feature, its X-Trans sensor.

    This X line is in danger of becoming like Leica where old fans turn against the brand for real innovations.

    The XE-1 was the right step. I wish Leica had done away with the RF in the new M and completely made it an EVF only camera or atleast offer an a la carte version of one.

    BTW, when you have such a strong opinion about a camera that does not have the feature you cherish, why buy one and even write a "review" about it?
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I always thought (still do) that it (OVF/EVF hybrid) was a carry over from the X100 where it alone was the special feature.

    With the X-Pro, starting with the X-Pro, Fuji could sell something that is a special feature, its X-Trans sensor.

    This X line is in danger of becoming like Leica where old fans turn against the brand for real innovations.

    The XE-1 was the right step. I wish Leica had done away with the RF in the new M and completely made it an EVF only camera or atleast offer an a la carte version of one.

    BTW, when you have such a strong opinion about a camera that does not have the feature you cherish, why buy one and even write a "review" about it?
    From the OP's review, the camera and two lenses were sent to him by Fuji to evaluate ... where does it say that he bought it to write a review?

    "Real innovations" are strictly a matter of personal opinion ... not all so called innovations are better than what they replace ... at least not for a while, nor for all photographers ... and sometimes they never are. EVF are here to stay, and will surely improve as time passes. However, for this photographer, and how/what I shoot they aren't there yet, so I'll let others be the technological guinea pigs.

    Good thing Leica didn't do what you seem to suggest ... although a FF M version with EVF only may have garnered a following, I wonder how many would plunk down the $5 to 6K+ it most likely would have cost?

    I have the opposite opinion when it comes to the Sony FF 35mm DSLRs ... I wish they also offered an OVF version of the A99 with LV and dual parallel card slots that the A900 didn't have. The A99 made some nice advancements in body design, file quality and a few features ... but the EVF only is a nightmare for rapid type shooting in diverse conditions like a wedding or sports or any demanding situation that people tend to use a 35mm DSLR for ... other than more stationary or static imagery. In this case, the "rush" to abrupt technology may not have been the best move. It has nothing to do with "old fans" turning against "real innovations" ... it has to do with premature implication of not ready for prime time technologies.

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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    From the OP's review, the camera and two lenses were sent to him by Fuji to evaluate ... where does it say that he bought it to write a review?
    If that is case, I am sorry that I compared it to Leica.

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    Ron, in all seriousness, can I ask what would constitute a "review" to you (seeing as you think this is not one)?
    It is exactly how I read your 'review', not more than an opinion about not liking a camera. As other members here I feel that you shouldn't base your opinion upon wording that can be read as stigmatization. If you didn't meant to do so, then I would advise to choose your wording more carefully and accurate.
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Wow, tough crowd here in this thread

    Marc, I hear your pain old friend. There is always another opinion now days about almost everything. Seems we all need one in today's world and need to learn how and when to use them.

    I will shed some light on your question about the Fuji X-E1, at least as far as using it with the new 14mm f/2.8. I decided to just go ahead and do my own review, since everybody else seems to want to. I did come to a bit of a different conclusion myself than most of the ones I've read so far.

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    Excellent review ..enjoyed your perspective . Leica s have always been darn expensive and even if I can afford them ...there is a risk of carrying a kit with two M bodies and 3-4 lenses ...if those lenses are summiluxes thats about $35K . A similar Fuji kit can be assembled for less than $3K . There are many times ..I might prefer something a little less expensive .

    I saw some video of David Allen Harvey shooting in Rio at the beach ..he was using an X100S ...

    I am waiting for Fuji to release the X Pro 2 next year which should hopefully resolve some of the quirks .

    The biggest downside is the impact on my work flow required to create files that work to my aesthetic .....another project just to stay even . LOL

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    Good review Chuck, especially from someone that uses ultra wides as much as you do.

    I'm still iffy about EVF ... but if Fuji improves the AF so it can be used in those quick candid areas of work I suppose it's something I could live with. Responsiveness is an important criteria for me.

    Maybe I'll wait and let Roger beta test the Pro-2

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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

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    Chuck

    Excellent review ..enjoyed your perspective . Leica s have always been darn expensive and even if I can afford them ...there is a risk of carrying a kit with two M bodies and 3-4 lenses ...if those lenses are summiluxes thats about $35K . A similar Fuji kit can be assembled for less than $3K . There are many times ..I might prefer something a little less expensive .

    I saw some video of David Allen Harvey shooting in Rio at the beach ..he was using an X100S ...

    I am waiting for Fuji to release the X Pro 2 next year which should hopefully resolve some of the quirks .

    The biggest downside is the impact on my work flow required to create files that work to my aesthetic .....another project just to stay even . LOL

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    Thank you Roger for reading it. You and I both shoot many of the same kinds of things Roger, so it does't surprise me your thinking is running along the same lines that mine is. I mean we don't always meet up in downtown San Francisco, now do we?

    Frankly, with Leica raising their Brand awareness with the Hip crowd, it does give me concern about getting robbed. Once the street realizes the value of those little red dots in the pawn shops or online forums, it's game over. Mite as well just buy a can of red spray paint and draw a target on your back. Or keep to all the "safe" areas, but what kind of photographic adventure would that be?

    I think there is very much a place in my life for a disposable camera, should the need to beat a hasty exit towards the door arise again. It's happened only a couple of times, but back then nobody but another camera geek even knew what a Leica was. It is nice shooting again stress free, knowing that if the whole gear bag got trashed, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I hear you loud and clear too Roger, whatever your income or bank balance, you just can't get that kind of freedom with $35-40K worth of cameras around your neck. At least I can't.

    But then again, maybe I am just getting old and conservative!.....
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Good review Chuck, especially from someone that uses ultra wides as much as you do.

    I'm still iffy about EVF ... but if Fuji improves the AF so it can be used in those quick candid areas of work I suppose it's something I could live with. Responsiveness is an important criteria for me.

    Maybe I'll wait and let Roger beta test the Pro-2

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    Marc, I am still iffy about the whole EVF thing too, and I've been shooting cameras with one for a couple of years now! Some things about them I love. Others, I hate. I find little to no middle ground either. It either works well, or it fights me. If it fights me, i give up and just use the back of the body. But that said, the EVF on my X-E1 is pretty reasonable. It has decent micro contrast, which a lot of them don't. Seeing the contrast "snap" in with the focus is a big help.

    As far as AF for the quick candids, it isn't there yet my friend. May make it with the next firmware update scheduled for July 25, we shall see. I shoot mainly the 14mm now, so hyperfocal set to 5 feet, and everything is sharp. My body is doggish slow with autofocus engaged, but is quick as an M9, down right snappy responsive with manual focus selected.

    I've shot Leica for so many years the whole autofocus thing doesn't bug me in the least, but I can see how it would some others who didn't grow up "running all the controls" like I did. I'll even make a confession here and admit that I actually get a kick out of shooting full manual. I love seeing the differences as I change things up. I think it is all whatever you grew up with mostly myself. One isn't a damn bit better than another if you don't know how to use it, and these EVF's do require some time investment to get the hang of how to use 'em. Certainly not going to give you much of a problem at your level Marc. I wouldn't worry about it, come on in dude, the water is great! :dh2:

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    I am by no means experienced with EVF ..because I just have not found them acceptable for viewing . A RF is not easy to focus accurately and especially on anything that moves ..but it is exceptional for "seeing" ..not quite a SLR but you can anticipate the moment .

    When I had an X100 ..I always used the OVF and put the focus button on the back ..so I could tap the button to get a slight adjustment . I found it awkward but with practice ..I could see how it would work . Most of the Fuji sites refer to this as manual focus ?

    Marc s work with a wedding is a great stress test ....on the street you can miss a series of captures and forget about it . Just keeping shooting ...but in a wedding you need a few keepers out of almost every situation . I would need a lot more confidence to screw around with the Fuji s OVF/EVF on a wedding ..but for travel and most street work its fine .

    This is an investment in time that hasn t made the priority list ..but its definitely attractive .
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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Counting up the EVF's I've played with the last couple of years, I guess it is five or six of 'em. Two were ridiculously bad. Bad enough to be the primary reason I sold the camera. Two, maybe three of them have been reasonably close to the mark. NONE of them to my mind have been useable with the same 100% certainty you get from every OVF, rangefinder, DSLR, TLR, or even the ground glass on the back of a view camera. Not a single one.

    For Pro use, no question the XPro-1 is the better choice. I chose the X-E1 because I have other options like my 5D3 that have OVF, and honestly I was wanting something more serious as a small pocket camera. When the XPro-2 comes out, I'll move over to it. Fuji looks serious about this as a Pro camera line and going in a direction that fits what I do nicely, so I'm onboard.

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    For me the X E1 is about the best EVF I tired so far. For me that says a lot since I have a hard time even liking them to begin with. Nice thing also is I can hook up some Nikon mounts to it and expand the kit. So it serves as a nice little backup in case of any major failures. I'm also planning on using it heavily with my strobes on a gig that needs a zoom and the files don't need to be 36mpx and I tested it yesterday and it shoots faster than I thought. I just updated all the firmware on it as well. I really like shooting this cam. I do want to get the 14mm as that would be a nice lens to have. I find the kit lens to be very good as well, reason I sold the Sony Nex was the kit lens was terrible. This is a much nicer lens. Now a XPro2 comes out than I will get that for sure. Honestly I thought I would not like this at first but once you get it under your belt a bit, its turning out to be a nice cam to work with and the files are very good.

    The other thing I like is the costs and I agree its a drop it walk away cam that won't kill me in case of emergency. Agree you can walk into places without worrying about your gear. I have had lenses in my life I was afraid to even shoot because of the costs of replacing it. Not this 3k for a whole kit and your done. I think there is still a big sale when you buy a body on all the lenses and its a big sale too, saving hundreds of dollars on each lens. Might be a good idea to buy in just for the lens savings now. Something to consider
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    For Pro use, no question the XPro-1 is the better choice.
    I totally get that some people don't like EVFs. What I don't understand is how EVFs are somehow not "pro". It's like saying a Leica is not a pro camera because of its rangefinder.



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    I'm also planning on using it heavily with my strobes on a gig that needs a zoom and the files don't need to be 36mpx and I tested it yesterday and it shoots faster than I thought.
    I have been using mine with strobes and I think you'll be pleased with the results (even if quiet mode has to be off to activate the hotshoe). I set it to shoot RAW+JPG and set the film simulation to Astia, and sometimes I just dump all the JPGs onto my website to use as proofs.

    I used to use the 35mm at times and frankly, I think the 18-55 is so good for portrait work that I sold the 35mm and now just use the zoom.

    Question to the OP: how exactly does somebody become an "Official Fuji Photographer?"

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    Really a lot of the discussion of EVF is just differences in shooting techniques and style . When I travel or have the opportunity to shoot a lot ..I can go into the "zone " . Now this may sound stupid ..but its quite common in many sports and some types of photography are athletic activities . The key to this is to see without the camera and execute with out really thinking . To do this you need lots of practice and repetition ..which is why those that love RF keep stressing you have to practice .

    The key though is that you have to be comfortable with the "seeing " part . If you get a chance take a look thru a MF viewfinder . Or rent "War Photographer " and watch Jim Nachtwey cover a opportunity with a DSLR . An EVF seems to get in the way ...at least for me . But I concede that it depends on your requirements not mine .

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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by mranger211 View Post
    I totally get that some people don't like EVFs. What I don't understand is how EVFs are somehow not "pro". It's like saying a Leica is not a pro camera because of its rangefinder.



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    Martin, let me clarify my remark. In no way am I saying that using an EVF is not "Professional." What I am saying is that there are TWO Fuji bodies available, the XPro-1 and the X-E1 that I own. The major difference being the XPro-1 has both the EVF and an OVF. You'll not miss a shot with the OVF due to not being able to see thru it, where I have sometimes with just the EVF. Especially in strong backlight, which is difficult enough anytime to nail the exposure.

    The difference between a professional photographer and an amateur is one gets paid to deliver an ASSIGNMENT where the other takes pictures. If I am going to be delivering ASSIGNMENTS with one of these Fuji cameras, then I want the one of the two choices with the maximum capability to guarantee my "getting the shot." For that, I feel the XPro-1 is the better choice of the two. That's all. I know plenty of people using EVF's for professional work, and doing just fine with them.

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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    How exactly does somebody become an "Official Fuji Photographer?"

    Great Question!

    I guess you need to become an "X-Photographer" first?

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    Chuck, I didn't mean to call you out. I was just questioning this meme that EVFs are somehow not suitable for professional use, and your post was nicely quotable. Sorry.

    You are entirely correct. Professional photography relies on delivering the assignment, and whatever equipment gets you there is good. If you need the rangefinder in some (professional) situations, the X-Pro is certainly better. If you don't, it is just more expensive. The reason I mentioned RFs in this context is because somehow no-one ever claims a Leica is not a professional camera due to it only having a rangefinder. As someone who gets paid (occasionally) to shoot rodeos, admittedly not with my X-E1, I would not want myself to be stuck with an M9.
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    ANY camera can be pro level if it is in the hands of a professional photographer. The only real distinction any more is that a pro has to deliver, and deliver consistently. So, the choice of tools is important in making sure that happens.

    The other point of what and how you shoot plays a big role. I use a Leica rangefinder for paying work, but not all paying work. I shot a whole campaign for a medical clinic with people at work ... where the M digital was the right tool for discreet, available light work.

    It would be less likely I'd use a M for dancing at a dark wedding reception hall even though I probably could, because a 35mm AF DSLR is more of a sure thing. "Sure thing" is partly why I get paid.

    I'm not married to any tool or brand of tool ... I'm after getting the shots. Like my lighting tech once exclaimed after looking at some finished work ... "He does it every time." No big deal, it comes with the territory ... every time.

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    To add whatever tool gets the job done in the most effective way that does not get in the way of the shooter is usually the best tool for the job. I cant rely solely on the Fuji nor a Leica M to do that. Some aspects of my work yes i can surely do that but when money is on the line. I'm grabbing the most versatile tool regardless of what brand or kind that is. Like Marc i'm married to a woman not a tool. If the tool dont work I'll drop it off a cliff for one that does.
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    If the tool dont work I'll drop it off a cliff for one that does.
    Something I considered doing with the A99 during the last shoot . However, I have to admit liking it for most other stuff, and I kept a A900 for when an OVF is the better solution.

    Question: I absolutely hate the A99's set up for review. Either you can have it with full time EVF and no auto LCD review (you have to press the LCD review button), or full time auto review on both ... which is really disorienting to have a still image come up in the viewfinder while in the heat of shooting. This really gets in the way of jobs like weddings, or any "of the moment" type work.

    How do these Fujis work in that regard?

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    They come up on the LCD when you take your eye away from the EVF. But if you hold your eye on the EVF it comes up there, I think. I turned review off as it makes shooting faster.

    I think you have some options though, lets see what others have to say. I only have used it for a few things so far. Just got it like 2 months ago
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    Options for review are:

    Off, 1.5 sec, 3 sec, or continuous (review persists until cancelled by pressing shutter button; goes back to live view.)

    Choose Off/1.5/3/Continous by going into the menu, to the 2nd 'wrench' setting, and select IMAGE DISP.

    If review is ON, press the View Mode button to cycle between these three settings:

    a. shoot with EVF, review on EVF (with nothing on the LCD)
    b. shoot with LCD, review on LCD (with nothing on the EVF)
    c. Eye Sensor (shoot/review with EVF or LCD depending on if your eye is at the viewfinder)

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    Re: Fuji X-E1 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Options for review are:

    Off, 1.5 sec, 3 sec, or continuous (review persists until cancelled by pressing shutter button; goes back to live view.)

    Choose Off/1.5/3/Continous by going into the menu, to the 2nd 'wrench' setting, and select IMAGE DISP.

    If review is ON, press the View Mode button to cycle between these three settings:

    a. shoot with EVF, review on EVF (with nothing on the LCD)
    b. shoot with LCD, review on LCD (with nothing on the EVF)
    c. Eye Sensor (shoot/review with EVF or LCD depending on if your eye is at the viewfinder)
    I never have figured out just why they have these options in the first place. I have mine set the same way you do Guy, this stuff all turned off so the camera shoots faster. When you want to see what your shooting, I mean it isn't like it takes rocket science to press the image review button?

    I guess it is all part of that "got to get the shot" training. Hard to get "the" shot when all those that aren't keep moving slowly past your screen!

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    I have mine set to OFF, and eye sensor.

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    LOL yes I have review off and agree Chuck. I will just chimp with the play button when needed. I do keep the eye sensor on as sometimes Ill use the EVF and than other the LCD for shooting that is. My problem is reading glasses and shooting with the LCD is a PITA.

    Frankly the whole reading glasses period is my biggest frustration just being a photographer. Its constantly a issue, on , off, on head, around neck, on floor, thrown across the room, left on computer, in my mouth and frankly sometimes I would like to stick it where the sun don't shine. ROTFLMAO
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    The first company to build in a typical DSLR review behaviour will win many sales : all it takes is to treat the EVF & LCD as two separate entities which can display at the same time with different behaviours. Take your eye from the EVF to check the LCD showing the review while the EVF is still showing the live view. Not rocket science.
    So far NONE of the makers of MILFs have bothered to do this, I consider it basic laziness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulfric Douglas View Post
    The first company to build in a typical DSLR review behaviour will win many sales : all it takes is to treat the EVF & LCD as two separate entities which can display at the same time with different behaviours. Take your eye from the EVF to check the LCD showing the review while the EVF is still showing the live view. Not rocket science.
    So far NONE of the makers of MILFs have bothered to do this, I consider it basic laziness.
    I fully agree. Sometimes it is not easy to understand what they think!

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