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    Is there an issue here?

    Hi Folks.

    I need your help badly. Due to lack of foliage around where I live, I am unable to ascertain if my XT-1 has a foliage issue in these shots..

    Am I seeing things which are not there? Old mind conjuring up imaginary sightings!!

    #1: Imported Raf file into C1-Pro 8.02. All defaults to null. Imported into PS for a 100% crop, resized and posted.


    #2: I purposely underexposed the next image. Slight exp. lift in C1, exported to PS for 100% crop, resize and posted..


    The reason this is critical now for me is for an upcoming trip that consists predominantly of forests, tea/coffee/rice fields and mountains with foliage.

    I shall be grateful for any suggestions you might give me.

    Thank you.

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    What sorts of issues are you seeing?
    The first shot seems quite a bit out of focus or blurred.
    There is no exif data in the image so I cannot tell what aperture was used, but the distant building seems quite a bit sharper than the closer image elements.
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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    Thanks Bob, taking a look. I am outside right now, shall post the raw image once I get home.

    I am seeing smudgy patches in the trees?

    Best regards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    What sorts of issues are you seeing?
    The first shot seems quite a bit out of focus or blurred.
    There is no exif data in the image so I cannot tell what aperture was used, but the distant building seems quite a bit sharper than the closer image elements.
    -bob

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    Since it's isolated in the frame, I'm thinking dirt spot on on of the elements or sensor. Or perhaps just a slow shutter and the wind picked up in that area. Take another with a tripod or manual focus on that area again using higher shutter speed.

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    Thank you.

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    Guess Fuji XT-1 users are busy today

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    Guess Fuji XT-1 users are busy today

    Best.
    Hi Rayyen

    The "smearing of greens" has been noticed and talked about since the introduction of the X Trans sensor. I have a "full boat" system of the XT1 with all the really good primes and several zooms (18-55, 10-24, 55-300). I have not personally seen the problem but I have seen examples that people post. I have used Aperture, Lightroom (Photoshop with camera raw 8.7) and Capture One 8.2 to determine which converter I liked best. I think it is a toss up between Aperture and Capture One so your use of it should be O.K.

    I also have Nikon gear that I use almost exclusively for landscapes. I use my Fuji for portraits (using the 56 1.2) and for my grandchildren and finally for street shooting. I find that having these two systems and using them around their core strengths has allowed me to get much better images. I believe you also use Nikon gear and you are a far better photographer than I so I won't presume to give you advice, only data.

    The dilemma of course is that the Nikon gear is really heavy compared to the Fuji. I am sadly well aware of that as I am 77 years old. Using the Nikon gear for landscape work confines me to shooting close by where I park the car. I also take only the lenses I really need as otherwise the weight would stop me from shooting. i really believe in the Fuji approach and look forward to the new firmware update scheduled for December 18th. I also believe Fuji has really become the photographer's company and their roadmap will only get better for us.

    Sorry for droning on but I hope I have given some useful insights. I envy your skills and love your work. Best of luck on your photographic journey.

    Sincerely

    Woody Spedden
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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    I own the XT1 since 6 month now and have taken several thousand shots including lot of greens and I have before shot the XPro1 and the XE2 but I never had ANY problem with smeared greens.

    Not sur what makes this happen but either it is a camera fault or it is something in the processing chain. Having said that I regularly use Aperture, LR5 and C1Pro latest versions for post and never had any problems like described in this thread.

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    Johnny, grateful for you looking in.

    Tripod What's that?
    Let's see where I kept it a few years ago.

    Take care.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnygoesdigital View Post
    Since it's isolated in the frame, I'm thinking dirt spot on on of the elements or sensor. Or perhaps just a slow shutter and the wind picked up in that area. Take another with a tripod or manual focus on that area again using higher shutter speed.

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    My dear friend Woody.

    So grateful for your thoughts. I am embarrassed by your generosity with words.
    Thank you.

    But we, you and me, we sell ourselves short. Life is just beginning for us.
    Not the hectic pace of fool hardy youth, but a considered pace shaped with experience and wisdom. And limited by our reluctance to wield heavy camera equipment..because we have learnt better..no?

    The XT-1 is one lovely piece of hardware. In normal circumstances, I wouldn't be swayed by internet chatter, but now..It is a super machine. The colors are incomparable.

    Here are some random shots ( from the internet and not mine..with due credit to the anonymous photogs ) of some of the trail I shall be taking..


    That is a sulphur fed lake from the volcanos behind, two of the many ( hopefully ) I intend to traverse.

    The foliage I expect to be driving or trekking through...I might not be able to make it to the crater surfaces, but I shall go the last point I can..


    The pic below is that of Mt. Merapi at night. I intend to be based at the small village for the night here..


    I had intended to take the Nikon Df with just the 50mm. Which I shall do. Gone are the days when I could trek across the Himalyas with the D700 and the zf 100/2.

    I was intending to add the XT-1 for all except some shooting. But a doubt was raised about foliage rendering when I took the simple shots posted above.

    The Leica is out of the question..Monsoon, very bumpy roads etc..and I need af
    here..pure and simple.

    Thanks for your input Woody.

    As one young hun to another..take care.


    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    Hi Rayyen

    The "smearing of greens" has been noticed and talked about since the introduction of the X Trans sensor. I have a "full boat" system of the XT1 with all the really good primes and several zooms (18-55, 10-24, 55-300). I have not personally seen the problem but I have seen examples that people post. I have used Aperture, Lightroom (Photoshop with camera raw 8.7) and Capture One 8.2 to determine which converter I liked best. I think it is a toss up between Aperture and Capture One so your use of it should be O.K.

    I also have Nikon gear that I use almost exclusively for landscapes. I use my Fuji for portraits (using the 56 1.2) and for my grandchildren and finally for street shooting. I find that having these two systems and using them around their core strengths has allowed me to get much better images. I believe you also use Nikon gear and you are a far better photographer than I so I won't presume to give you advice, only data.

    The dilemma of course is that the Nikon gear is really heavy compared to the Fuji. I am sadly well aware of that as I am 77 years old. Using the Nikon gear for landscape work confines me to shooting close by where I park the car. I also take only the lenses I really need as otherwise the weight would stop me from shooting. i really believe in the Fuji approach and look forward to the new firmware update scheduled for December 18th. I also believe Fuji has really become the photographer's company and their roadmap will only get better for us.

    Sorry for droning on but I hope I have given some useful insights. I envy your skills and love your work. Best of luck on your photographic journey.

    Sincerely

    Woody Spedden
    Fort Collins, Colorado

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    Peter,

    Appreciate your comments. It would appear that some people ( very very few ) experience this and make a lot of noise about it.

    I should ignore it, I know...but..

    Is there any particular lens that causes this? I wonder..

    Kindest regards.

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I own the XT1 since 6 month now and have taken several thousand shots including lot of greens and I have before shot the XPro1 and the XE2 but I never had ANY problem with smeared greens.

    Not sur what makes this happen but either it is a camera fault or it is something in the processing chain. Having said that I regularly use Aperture, LR5 and C1Pro latest versions for post and never had any problems like described in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    Peter,

    Appreciate your comments. It would appear that some people ( very very few ) experience this and make a lot of noise about it.

    I should ignore it, I know...but..

    Is there any particular lens that causes this? I wonder..

    Kindest regards.
    Rayyan,

    I fully understand you and would react pretty similar in such a situation

    Anyway, I have not found this issue so far and also with no particular lens. Lenses I used (use) are 18-55 kit zoom, 1.4/23, 1.4/35 and 1.2/56.

    But I do think it is not lens dependent I rather guess it depends on processing - either in camera or post.

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    Maybe artifacts/smearing from processing. Let us know what lens used and if convenient, shoot another scene to compare.

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    Hi Johnny.

    The data is intact; but here it is..

    Both with the 18-55/2.8-4

    1: eq=27mm, f=6.4, ss=1/150, exp+=.33, iso-= 200

    2.: eq=35mm, f/7.1, ss= 1/340, iso = 200

    spot metering, awb, raf/fine

    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnygoesdigital View Post
    Maybe artifacts/smearing from processing. Let us know what lens used and if convenient, shoot another scene to compare.

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    Hi there,
    I had some issues back when the x-e2 first came out.
    Now on the x-t1 as well; no issues; However one of the culprits to poor foliage I ran into was in the Fuji menu,
    Lens Modulation Optimizer.
    When this was "on" I would sometimes have issues with smearing.
    When "off" have not had an issue.
    This may be coincidence, I don't take a chance and just shut the dang thing off.

    The other thing;
    when processing in CO 7;
    I found I had to set all the noise sliders to zero,
    the "detail" slider to zero,
    Clarity to zero,
    Structure to zero.

    Then to sharpen;
    amount to 1000,
    Radius around .3, .4,
    Threshold to 0.

    If I start from here, there never seems to be any mushiness in any fine details including greens.

    In CO 8
    I find this method makes thing a little too "crunchy".
    Will have to mod it a bit if I decide to keep CO 8.

    This works for me, results may vary.
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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    My advice to every X-Trans sensor shooter who is also into landscape photography: Add a Sigma DP Merrill or Quattro into the bag to your Fuji gear. This is what the DP 2 Quattro does with greens:http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/956...toshopCrop.jpg. The DP2Q is currently sold for USD 499 at B&H.

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    I've been shooting Fuji coming up on two years. I haven't seen any smearing/clumping of greens whatsoever. I shoot in RAW and convert in Aperture and polish in PhotoShop. I shoot with a XP1, X100S, XE2 and XT1.

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    Jon.

    Thank you for the detailed recipe. I am grateful to you. Shall give it a definite try.

    Best.

    Quote Originally Posted by JonMo View Post
    Hi there,
    I had some issues back when the x-e2 first came out.
    Now on the x-t1 as well; no issues; However one of the culprits to poor foliage I ran into was in the Fuji menu,
    Lens Modulation Optimizer.
    When this was "on" I would sometimes have issues with smearing.
    When "off" have not had an issue.
    This may be coincidence, I don't take a chance and just shut the dang thing off.

    The other thing;
    when processing in CO 7;
    I found I had to set all the noise sliders to zero,
    the "detail" slider to zero,
    Clarity to zero,
    Structure to zero.

    Then to sharpen;
    amount to 1000,
    Radius around .3, .4,
    Threshold to 0.

    If I start from here, there never seems to be any mushiness in any fine details including greens.

    In CO 8
    I find this method makes thing a little too "crunchy".
    Will have to mod it a bit if I decide to keep CO 8.

    This works for me, results may vary.

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    retow, thanks for your considered suggestion.

    But this is not an option for me.

    Regards.

    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    My advice to every X-Trans sensor shooter who is also into landscape photography: Add a Sigma DP Merrill or Quattro into the bag to your Fuji gear. This is what the DP 2 Quattro does with greens:http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/956...toshopCrop.jpg. The DP2Q is currently sold for USD 499 at B&H.

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    Gary, thanks for looking in. I have no doubt whatsoever about your excellent experience with the Fuji.

    Regards.

    Quote Originally Posted by GaryAyala View Post
    I've been shooting Fuji coming up on two years. I haven't seen any smearing/clumping of greens whatsoever. I shoot in RAW and convert in Aperture and polish in PhotoShop. I shoot with a XP1, X100S, XE2 and XT1.

    Gary

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    I have since taken hundreds of shots. At different apertures, focal lengths, primes and the one zoom I currently have ( 18-55 ).

    Below is what I have found for me. I might be technically and test wise totally wrong. But it seems to be working for me..to a great extent.

    1. The issue is always at distances further away. Foliage at infinity ( > 20 mts at times. structures have never been the issue. )

    2. My zoom has the greatest propensity to display ( real or imaginary watercolor effect ). The longer the focal length, the less I have encountered this situation.
    Primes seem to be the best for me in this regard.

    3. I have found that the center focussing is the best to alleviate this issue..esp. with my zoom.

    4. I have been able to alleviate such ( real or imaginary effects ) greatly with the focus set at center, And the Focus spot at the smallest feasible size. This has proved very effective for me.

    5. I only have ACR and C1 Pro. I shall stick with C1 Pro.

    I am grateful to all of you nice folks for helping me. More suggestions shall be gratefully received. In the meantime, I shall continue to chase the imaginary ( or real ) painterly effect.

    Warmest regards.

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    Please don't go deliberately looking for the evil watercolour effect. Once you have seen it you may be haunted by it for ever ... it is best left unseen.

    I can explain more later but, in a nutshell, I have seen it and became obsessed by it, to the detriment of my 'photographic sanity'. Images with my X Pro 1 have been processed through LR, Iridient, CO, Photo Ninja and others. Early LR processing was not good and has lead to the 'haunting'. I have come to the conclusion now:

    - that the JPEGs are very, very good and often you don't need RAW
    - LR is actually now very good. I find that selecting one of the Fuji film simulations within LR lessons the chances of the demon appearing
    - life is too short to be spending so long pixel peeping and comparing RAW converters
    - there is more to a good looking image than just sharpness
    - as much as I like the output from my Sigma Merrills, I am preferring the use of and the general rendering of the Fuji


    Good luck.

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    I have a bit of a philosophy, in sorta a reference to Sapphie, that philosophy is if you need a computer to see it then it doesn't exist.

    My quick test for significance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaryAyala View Post
    I've been shooting Fuji coming up on two years. I haven't seen any smearing/clumping of greens whatsoever. I shoot in RAW and convert in Aperture and polish in PhotoShop. I shoot with a XP1, X100S, XE2 and XT1.

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    Re: Is there an issue here?

    Lee, Gary.

    With all your advice..let me be an optimist.

    I have decided to let the rubber meet the road.

    I shall just take the XT-1 and only take the Fuji lenses I have.
    Throw in my XE1, just in case.

    Nothing else. Light weight. 18-55mm, 35 and the 60.

    About a week before I leave. Let's see if I am anywhere as capable as the Fuji.

    Thank you all.

    p.s the weather forecast for my trip is cloudy with thunderstorms throughout.
    So I can blame crap images on the weather
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    But the XE1 is so sloooooooow.
    Hmmm.

    But the placement of the strap lugs on the Df are a real pita. Whoever thought of that design..
    Hmmm.
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