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    Warning: Reading of the review may damage your wallet!
    I'll still blame you for it Jorgen.
    I use the RX1RM2 most of the time now (it's in my pocket before I leave the house/hotel) but thanks to you I'm seriously considering the X-Pro2 with a permanently attached 56mm to balance the other pocket ...
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    I guess the A6000 would easily win both the size, weight and price competition, but I find the ergonomics awful even after Sony standards and high ISO performance unacceptable, around 1 stop worse than the D7200. For me, it would never qualify as a main camera. All of the others could. The D7200 is indeed 24MP btw.

    As for m4/3, apart from not being 24MP, and in most cases only 16MP, they are challenged when it comes to high ISO. Apart from that, both the E-M1 and the GH4 would be obvious candidates.

    I've added price and weight of the A6000 to the list. Here's the size comparison with the X-Pro2. The size difference isn't as big as I had expected:



    It's interesting also to notice that the m4/3 cameras are neither smaller nor significantly lighter than the Fuji. The Panasonic combo is actually heavier, but that includes a much larger battery than the other mirrorless cameras.

    Be aware also that some of these cameras (both of the Nikons and the A6000) have a maximum shutter speed of 1/4000s, while the rest manage 1/8000s (physical shutter). The Fuji is the only one offering deep RAW buffer in addition to a rather fast frame rate at 8fps.
    I was identifying the GX8 more on the "rangefinder" style and the newest 20.3MP sensor. Of course if you need the video abilities then the GH4 would be a better choice more than likely. Otherwise I think the GX8 seems to be at the pinnacle of Micro 4/3 sensors for stills as of today. This seems to be more in line with the focus of the X-Pro 2. Ultimate still performance for Fuji bodies.

    Naturally the newest high-end Sony APS-C mirrorless body will compete more favorably with the Fuji X-Pro 2 as the A6000 is about 18 months to 2 years old I believe and most reviewers pick it as the mirrorless camera with the best sensor and AF tracking performance prior to the A7R II.
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    There's so much to like about this camera, I could make liking it a full time activity

    I've looked through all of the videos on the Japanese Fuji website that I linked to earlier, and I can safely say that I haven't seen so much photographic goodness used in the marketing of a new camera ever. Fuji could name this body "Joy of Photography", because that is what it looks like. I can't wait to try it out.
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    I would quite agree with that! Fuji lenses are even better in many cases than the Sony/Zeiss glass, which is a real achievement.
    The Sony/Zony lens prices have to come down by at least 50% IMO for what they are worth. If you factor in the QC issues, knock another 25% off.

    But for adaptable lenses and cheap FF bodies, Sony would be dead.

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    The Sony/Zony lens prices have to come down by at least 50% IMO for what they are worth. If you factor in the QC issues, knock another 25% off.
    One of the things that impresses me the most about the Fuji X-range is how they have handled lens development. After 4 years, they have something that resembles a complete range of high quality glass for anything except the most specialised needs. But then of course, this company is built upon a passion for photography. Although it's not nearly their biggest or most profitable business area anymore, it's what they started with and something that is apparently important for their company image.
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    The camera is no doubt going to be a winner for Fuji and the fact they introduced the XPRO-2 at a price appx $1000.00 less than it could have been sold for in a better economy is a great marketing move. At the current price it makes perfect sense to purchase two bodies this allows the photographer a much more fluid image making experience.
    From the mechanical side the camera will function as easily as a point and shoot but with the ability to make very quick changes on the fly without digging to deep in to menus. On the IQ side I have no doubt Fuji will provide us with excellent files that will be or can be manipulated just as well as any other manufactures offerings. Is it a PRO camera? They call it XPRO-2.
    If Fuji is selling this system to enthusiasts and amateur photographers then the collection of reviews, videos and initial bunch of photographers that actually had the camera since last October-November did a great job of describing their experience with the XPro-2 and or a new lens. However in no way did any of the videos from these reviewers or any hands on write ups give Fiju back up to claim a clean professional marketing campaign aimed to entice wedding photographers for EX. to switch camera systems.
    I'm just saying the Fuji live blogging event from Tokyo that I watched was nice but it was far from a Steve Jobs presentation.
    Having been to the midtown Fuji store and spending time in the place the attention to detail in this space and the marketing efforts are astonishing if your ever around plan a visit it's well worth it. Fuji its to bad your selection of representatives (not all) and your marketing efforts (not all) worldwide aren't at that level!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I was identifying the GX8 more on the "rangefinder" style and the newest 20.3MP sensor. Of course if you need the video abilities then the GH4 would be a better choice more than likely. Otherwise I think the GX8 seems to be at the pinnacle of Micro 4/3 sensors for stills as of today. This seems to be more in line with the focus of the X-Pro 2. Ultimate still performance for Fuji bodies.

    Naturally the newest high-end Sony APS-C mirrorless body will compete more favorably with the Fuji X-Pro 2 as the A6000 is about 18 months to 2 years old I believe and most reviewers pick it as the mirrorless camera with the best sensor and AF tracking performance prior to the A7R II.
    The GX8, as well as all to be announced top end m43 cameras, like the new PenF or later this year the EM1markII will "only" have a 20MP sensor and this in m43 format. Needless to say that the XPro2 with it's 24MP APSC sensor will smoke all of them easily, I do not have the slightest doubt. Further Fuji cameras to follow later this year like the XT2 will have the same sensor with probably some add ons and further benefits.

    This means that Fuji is clearly ahead of the complete m43 bandwagon already now and will most likely stay so in the years to come. Add to this the pretty complete range of high end lenses specifically developed for this cameras, especially the new 100-400, and there are not even the arguments of more complete lens range compared to m43 holding up any longer. Even if some argue that the XPro2 does not support 4K, this is only true for now and could easily change, as the new processor and the complete hardware infrastructure of the camera including sensor is capable of 4K, which makes me almost sure we will see this feature in any upcoming XT2 and very likely as FW upgrade in the XPro2 soon after.

    Hard to withstand the latest Fuji offerings ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    There's so much to like about this camera, I could make liking it a full time activity

    I've looked through all of the videos on the Japanese Fuji website that I linked to earlier, and I can safely say that I haven't seen so much photographic goodness used in the marketing of a new camera ever. Fuji could name this body "Joy of Photography", because that is what it looks like. I can't wait to try it out.
    Really great videos and stories, but this is not only true for the newly released XPro2, they are doing this already since long time. Have a look here:

    http://fujifilm-x.com/en/x-stories/

    Perfect advertisement and really cool

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    Just found this great review of the XPro2, enjoy ....

    http://aphotocontributor.typepad.com...riend-leo.html

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    Re: X-Pro2

    Another review:

    http://www.prophotonut.com/2016/01/1...-sample-shots/

    All these fantastic photos shown, taken with a camera that isn't even on the market yet is a strike of genius by Fuji. It shows what really matters: that photographers are able to take great images with this apparatus. And, very importantly, it shows that Fuji has the support of and is trusted by a large number of great photographers, something that isn't obvious for younger people who became involved in photography after Velvia.

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    Re: X-Pro2

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    The GX8, as well as all to be announced top end m43 cameras, like the new PenF or later this year the EM1markII will "only" have a 20MP sensor and this in m43 format. Needless to say that the XPro2 with it's 24MP APSC sensor will smoke all of them easily, I do not have the slightest doubt. Further Fuji cameras to follow later this year like the XT2 will have the same sensor with probably some add ons and further benefits.

    This means that Fuji is clearly ahead of the complete m43 bandwagon already now and will most likely stay so in the years to come. Add to this the pretty complete range of high end lenses specifically developed for this cameras, especially the new 100-400, and there are not even the arguments of more complete lens range compared to m43 holding up any longer. Even if some argue that the XPro2 does not support 4K, this is only true for now and could easily change, as the new processor and the complete hardware infrastructure of the camera including sensor is capable of 4K, which makes me almost sure we will see this feature in any upcoming XT2 and very likely as FW upgrade in the XPro2 soon after.

    Hard to withstand the latest Fuji offerings ....
    Its hard to say for certain or even this early if the Fuji sensor will completely smoke the Micro 4/3 sensors and Micro 4/3 probably has the best lens lineup of all mirrorless systems in reality.

    I understand the excitement for the camera though it looks great on paper and it's good to see Fuji finally update their most interesting system camera line IMO. Personally I'm most interested in the rumored MF Fuji system if it's priced correctly or in the spirit of the Mamiya 7II.
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    I'm most interested in the rumored MF Fuji system if it's priced correctly or in the spirit of the Mamiya 7II.
    Now you're talking.
    Give me the same Mamiya 7II with a sensor instead of a film chamber - change nothing else, I mean even keep the shutter cocking mechanism/advance lever la Epson RD.
    Please Mr. Mamiya.

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    Now you're talking.
    Give me the same Mamiya 7II with a sensor instead of a film chamber - change nothing else, I mean even keep the shutter cocking mechanism/advance lever la Epson RD.
    Please Mr. Mamiya.
    Poor Leica (if that Fuji MF rumor comes true)!
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    Poor Leica (if that Fuji MF rumor comes true)!
    I think there will be enough quirky love for both. Leicaphiles will convince themselves the strengths of the system is better no matter what - and that's fine.

    My ideal camera would be a medium format X-Pro 1 type camera with the 30-50 megapixel Sony sensor. Maybe they can make a scaled up BSI version of the A7S sensor. Think about it... a 30 megapixel medium format A7s like performing camera. Give me a 21, 35-50, and 85-100 equivalent primes or maybe an ultra wide and telephoto zoom with standard wide to short telephony primes and I'm set. Price the body in the $4-6000 range and keep the lenses in the $8-2500 range and it's a win.

    Sounds like a great idea to me.
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    Re: X-Pro2

    This is a bit off topic, but:
    If Fuji was to launch a digital medium format camera, it might as well be one with a fixed prime lens.

    - They often did that in the past, with film (The "Texas Leicas" and the 645 series. More recently with the two GF670 models).
    - Nobody else does this with digital.
    - They would be able to make a perfect match between lens and sensor (as with the X70 and X100).
    - It could be a much more compact camera than any other medium format camera.
    - Although it would be limited to one lens/focal length (plus wide/tele converters), it would probably be cheaper than a system camera/lens featuring the same sensor.

    If they do something like that, my guess would be two bodies; one moderately wide (around 35mm eqv.) and one portrait length, but probably shorter than 85mm eqv. I'm only guessing if course, but I can't really see Fuji introducing yet another lens mount into an already crowded marketplace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    Price the body in the $4-6000 range and keep the lenses in the $8-2500 range and it's a win.

    Sounds like a great idea to me.
    IMHO: Problem is the cost of the sensor alone will push it into Pentax 645 price range. There is zero Fuji legacy WRT MF interchangeable lenses, small production series on sensor and lenses means sky high prices. Pentax at least had an MF system to build on so it was easier to sell at least a few cameras. Fuji knows this, of course. I think more likely would be an FF system (for the sake of sensor volume), but that's really too close to X series sensor size so not much difference. So I think an affordable MF system is a pipe dream.

    The one possibility I think is licensing someone else's mount so there are some lenses to start with. Hassy and Pentax are SLR so flange focal distance makes for clunky camera bodies. Then there is Mamiya RF mount. There are at least a few Mamiya 6/7 lenses out there, although the widest lenses probably won't work at all with a digital sensor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I think there will be enough quirky love for both. Leicaphiles will convince themselves the strengths of the system is better no matter what - and that's fine.

    My ideal camera would be a medium format X-Pro 1 type camera with the 30-50 megapixel Sony sensor. Maybe they can make a scaled up BSI version of the A7S sensor. Think about it... a 30 megapixel medium format A7s like performing camera. Give me a 21, 35-50, and 85-100 equivalent primes or maybe an ultra wide and telephoto zoom with standard wide to short telephony primes and I'm set. Price the body in the $4-6000 range and keep the lenses in the $8-2500 range and it's a win.

    Sounds like a great idea to me.



    The A7s' sensor already may be a BSI one?

    Yes, I would love such camera. It will be pricey.

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    I wouldn't mind a Fuji digital back for the GX680 btw., preferably one that covers the whole image area. Could I afford it? Absolutely not, but it's a nice thought, and those old monsters have quite a following still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    This is a bit off topic, but:
    If Fuji was to launch a digital medium format camera, it might as well be one with a fixed prime lens.

    - They often did that in the past, with film (The "Texas Leicas" and the 645 series. More recently with the two GF670 models).
    - Nobody else does this with digital.
    - They would be able to make a perfect match between lens and sensor (as with the X70 and X100).
    - It could be a much more compact camera than any other medium format camera.
    - Although it would be limited to one lens/focal length (plus wide/tele converters), it would probably be cheaper than a system camera/lens featuring the same sensor.

    If they do something like that, my guess would be two bodies; one moderately wide (around 35mm eqv.) and one portrait length, but probably shorter than 85mm eqv. I'm only guessing if course, but I can't really see Fuji introducing yet another lens mount into an already crowded marketplace.
    I wouldn't be very interested in buying a fixed lens MF camera personally at $5k+. Make it a mirrorless MF system camera for the "right price" (even if it's a cropped sensor MF camera) and I'd be interested enough to drop my Sony kit if they had the "right" lenses to go along with it. I really like my Sony FE kit so the lenses and IQ would have to be REALLY good.

    I'd even be happy if they cut all video features from the camera to keep the price down.... Just a straight up mirrorless MF still camera with little frills besides the usual Fujifilm emulations with slide film modes thrown in for good measure. I might even be convinced to adapt to the backwards controls in the aperture and lens mount that Nikon, Zeiss, and Fuji sometimes implements into their cameras.

    Why not offer a wide spectrum version as well (as Leaf does) while we're dreaming?
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    Lars I think the opposite is more likely, some reported interview data ..

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    I think more likely would be an FF system (for the sake of sensor volume), but that's really too close to X series sensor size so not much difference.
    Fuji Manager T. Ueno: “We are in a Very Good Position to make a Medium Format Camera… but no Plans for now!” | Fuji Rumors

    we came to the conclusion that the APS-C mirrorless system is the way to go as opposed to full frame D-SLR.

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    So I think an affordable MF system is a pipe dream.
    While they claim they are not making one, but are investigating MF.

    Fuji Manager T. Ueno: “We are in a Very Good Position to make a Medium Format Camera… but no Plans for now!” | Fuji Rumors

    “We are in a very good position to make a medium format camera, as we make camera bodies, sensors and lenses. We already make the lenses for Hasselblad, so we have that expertise." .... "but right now we are only investigating.”

    So you are correct really that they are not making either.

    I am still very interested in that X70 and the XPro1 has never been such a bargain as it is now and can be had NEW still
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    Re: X-Pro2

    A new XPro1 can now be had for only $499 from B&H Photo etc. Truly a lot of camera for the money. I just picked up a XF 35 f2 lens for my XPro1 today. A perfect match....it will go nicely with an XPro2 someday as well. :-)

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    i would be happy to take a GF670w with a pentax 645z sensor in it just use the spare space inside for electronics.
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    Re: X-Pro2 - an overlooked but important advance

    Two features of the X-Pro 2 tilt the scale in favor of moving your focus point and against focus-and-recompose. One is the dense set of points over a large part of the frame (selectable between 77 of them and some 200-plus...!). The other is the joystick for moving the focus point, which reviewers have really liked.

    The advantage applies to the EVF, and it might turn out even better for the OVF, enhanced by optional picture-in-picture of the EVF, which the user can see at full scene for precise framing or magnified for precise manual focus.

    On the EVF: The one in the X-T1 is not larger than this one in native display. A magnifying prism in front of it magnifies. You get a larger box to view, but resolution is not denser, and noise may become an issue in some lighting of the scene.

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    Me thinks the X-Pro 1 is looking like a mighty good buy @ $499 new.
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    Re: X-Pro2

    Tim, thanks for correcting me.

    Some personal thoughts on medium format...
    Back in -98, before I went into large format, I owned a Fuji GSW690 and rented a Mamiya 7 for a weekend.
    My conclusion from that experience was not enough DOF - I felt the need for a technical camera.
    So my view is that 6x7 or 6x9 is too large a format for no movements.
    But 645 might be OK. and the cost of a single 6x9 sensor would of course be astronomical.
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    Re: X-Pro2

    If you'd like to see some XPro 2 being assembled have a look at this link of the Fuji factory http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/18/10...cturing-photos

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    So my view is that 6x7 or 6x9 is too large a format for no movements.
    But 645 might be OK. and the cost of a single 6x9 sensor would of course be astronomical.
    Now a straightforward small 645 fixed lens Fuji camera with a 35mm - 50mm equiv prime would be something unique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Now a straightforward small 645 fixed lens Fuji camera with a 35mm - 50mm equiv prime would be something unique.
    Make that a curved sensor to keep it very compact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I wouldn't mind a Fuji digital back for the GX680 btw., preferably one that covers the whole image area.
    Back in 1997 when I bought a GX680 outfit, I took it to Fuji near Bedford (UK) to have a grid screen fitted, and straight from the horse's mouth Fuji told me that a digital back was coming .
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    Re: X-Pro2

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Make that a curved sensor to keep it very compact.
    Beautiful pipe dream - imagine the cost... all sensor fabs in the world are tooled to produce flat wafers. If you know how wafers are made and the sensor/chip fab process works it's really hard to imagine making a curved sensor in a cost-efficient way.

    Flat or curved, the shape of the sensor is part of the optical system. It's relatively easy to make something flat - which is why cheap filters are pretty much as good optically as expensive ones - however making a curved chip to exacting standards will likely be quite costly. While (unless I'm mistaken) Sony has filed patents on using a curved sensor, it has not necessarily solved the problem of making one in a cost-efficient way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars View Post
    While (unless I'm mistaken) Sony has filed patents on using a curved sensor, it has not necessarily solved the problem of making one in a cost-efficient way.
    If you look at the original research published on this (that is patented by others), the whole point is cost efficiency.
    If you have handled ultrathin silicon wafers, it is easy to understand how robust they are and why it is doable.

    Sony's perfume bottle selfie camera with Swarovski crystals offers curved sensor (albeit a tiny one). The Swarovski crystals perhaps cost more than bending the sensor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    If you look at the original research published on this (that is patented by others), the whole point is cost efficiency.
    If you have handled ultrathin silicon wafers, it is easy to understand how robust they are and why it is doable.

    Sony's perfume bottle selfie camera with Swarovski crystals offers curved sensor (albeit a tiny one). The Swarovski crystals perhaps cost more than bending the sensor.
    More proof that Sony is sort of like the "new Leica."
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    Have you seen a 250 thumbs grip from Leica? Sony offers one. That is for a plain vanilla version and not a Damien Hirst bejeweled variety!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elderly View Post
    Back in 1997 when I bought a GX680 outfit, I took it to Fuji near Bedford (UK) to have a grid screen fitted, and straight from the horse's mouth Fuji told me that a digital back was coming .
    Do you mean this one?



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    It was only available in Japan and was discontinued in 2006. It was a SuperCCD, similar in concept to those in the S3 and S5 cameras. I've tried to find one for many years, but they seem to be extremely rare.
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    FWIW Fuji is rumored to announce their MF camera at Photokina this year. If true this would be huge. I could see that camera and the inevitable XT-2 pair up well for a great kit.
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    Awesome! Would this then be the first MF evil camera?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    If you look at the original research published on this (that is patented by others), the whole point is cost efficiency.
    If you have handled ultrathin silicon wafers, it is easy to understand how robust they are and why it is doable.

    Sony's perfume bottle selfie camera with Swarovski crystals offers curved sensor (albeit a tiny one). The Swarovski crystals perhaps cost more than bending the sensor.
    I just had to have a look at this thing - Sony's New KW1 is Part Perfume Bottle, Part Selfie Camera, and All Facepalm



    Do Metabones makes an active EOS adapter for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post

    Do Metabones makes an active EOS adapter for it?
    Speed booster (EOS to E) for NEX = 650 (shop price)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Do you mean this one?


    http://www.dpreview.com/articles/583...8/fujifilmback

    It was only available in Japan and was discontinued in 2006. It was a SuperCCD, similar in concept to those in the S3 and S5 cameras.
    I presume that's what they were talking about, but it was almost 7 years after
    my conversation with them before it was (briefly) available, and even if I could have afforded it,
    I couldn't have coped with the crop factor as I needed all the field of view of my w i d e lenses.

    I no longer have my GX680 (wonderful camera ), but I still have my S5Pro (in a cupboard ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Awesome! Would this then be the first MF evil camera?
    Possibly. If this is true, they price it correctly, and they release it with a good lens lineup them I may sell the Sony stuff for this. As good as some shots look from X--Pro 2. like I think I'd have an hard time returning to cropped sensors. This rumored MF camera on the other hand has some potential for me.
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    I've enjoyed my XE1 and XE2. When my Canon 5Dmk2 and then 5Dmk3 has gone down during my studio sessions, they filled in as great back-up cameras. They became my travel/family photo cameras.

    I pre-ordered the XPro2 because I want to give it a good trial and comparison in my studio. If it passes, then it will become my studio workhorse camera. Compared to my 5Dmk3 and my Hassie H3D2-39, the Fuji X's are just more fun to use. Now it seems they increased the pixel count without screwing up the high ISO noise levels, increased the auto focusing, got Adobe to update Lightroom before the cameras hit the street, improved a lot of small things and added dual card slots (something I have come to rely on to make my life happier and cut down on my human errors with cards and downloading and back-up NAS failures).

    Two things about the Fuji X's that I like. One is they are just more fun to use than other cameras I've owned at no loss of quality in the files. Life is too short not to enjoy your tools if you use them daily. Second, if you purchase a Fuji early in it's life cycle, they upgrade the firmware so that it's actually a better camera in a year or two than when you bought it.
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    Re: X-Pro2

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    If you look at the original research published on this (that is patented by others), the whole point is cost efficiency.
    If you have handled ultrathin silicon wafers, it is easy to understand how robust they are and why it is doable.

    Sony's perfume bottle selfie camera with Swarovski crystals offers curved sensor (albeit a tiny one). The Swarovski crystals perhaps cost more than bending the sensor.
    The more I read about the concept of a curved sensor the more I believe it's a dead end. The sensor curvature is specific to a certain focal length, so you lose some economy of scale, and it won't work at all in an interchangeable-lens or zoom lens camera. Manufacturing efficiency is largely unknown - do you bend the silicon into shape, or do you grind it to spherical, or do you use spherical wafer (in which case you need a new fab line with spherical focal plane process lenses) etc. It all sounds largely inefficient (== costly) and highly specialized.
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    Jono's reply, by the way, is a great one. It effectively (and even politely) moves us all past a somewhat trollish, incendiary comment, but it also builds upon the discussion knowledge base (in terms of the 4m dots), provides some early support for this camera (from a well-known camera aficionado), and points out what he sees to be a cosmetic design flaw. Seriously, a great reply.

    Jono: I would be interested to see what you think of the camera's IQ once RAW files are more widely distributed. (I have used Leica Ms [M6-M9], the Leica Q, and the Sony RX1r in recent years, but am trying to get a feel of what--if anything--would be lost in terms of IQ. Trust me--I would prefer to move from the aforementioned more-expensive cameras to a less-expensive option like the X-Pro 2.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Pssssht - I've just spent a day shooting with M lenses on the SL - mostly with the 75 'cron at f2, and I've not zoomed in to focus once. Of course, you're entitled to dislike it, but you don't have to be a Leica sycophant to think it's good. Whatever

    I do agree that the 4m dots of the SL finder is not the be-all and end-all. The X-T1 finder was great (as is the latest Olympus finder) and I'm sure that the EVF on this camera will be good as well - it looks like a fantastic camera to me - really excellent - the only criticism I can find is that I still don't like the slanting top plate (but that's also just a matter of taste). I'm quite tempted personally.
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    From above:

    Personally I'm most interested in the rumored MF Fuji system if it's priced correctly
    and

    Now a straightforward small 645 fixed lens Fuji camera with a 35mm - 50mm equiv prime would be something unique.
    Yes, please, PLEASE. And no video; I have that covered with 4/3rds. I just want a 'record-life-happening' fixed lens MF camera, small, intelligent, and feeling good in the hand – like an X-100s on steroids.
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    Well, I am looking forward to the XT2. I have the 100-400 and it is a brilliant lens. I can only imagine what it will look like on the new sensor. Joe
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    Re: X-Pro2

    I had a chance to actually see, hold and shoot with a X-Pro2 today at my local camera shop. I like it a lot, especially the improved grips on the body, front and rear, and the little toggle for moving the focus point around etc.

    When the price drops by a few hundred dollars, I'll be picking one up to join my X-Pro1, which is still my favorite Fuji X camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    FWIW Fuji is rumored to announce their MF camera at Photokina this year. If true this would be huge. I could see that camera and the inevitable XT-2 pair up well for a great kit.
    Probably the first semi-possible rumor about a Fuji MFD.
    http://cameratimes.org/fujifilm-medi...vailable-2017/

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    Yes, please, to the Fuji MF body.

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