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    X-H1, why oh why?

    I decided to get a second X body for a project I've just been appointed to deliver. It is going to involve a lot of reportage at events which cannot be recreated. Nervous that if I relied on my X-T3 alone I'd be taking a risk I decided to get a second body.

    My choice was to go for the X-H1, which arrived yesterday - along with a second hand 16/1.4 and 23/2. I figured as a set-up I'd use the OIS trinity (10-24, 18-55, 55-200) on the X-T3 and the non-stabilised lenses on the X-H1.

    Once again (this is the second time I've owned an X-H1, I traded my last one for the GFX50R) I am blown away by this camera. I honestly think I'll use it more on the project than the X-T3. Ergonomics, the quiet shutter, the comfortable grip (less slippery than the X-T3) all make it the camera I most want to pick up. Easily as attractive as the 50R, imho. I'd say the only draw back is the limited AF points (not a problem for the work I am doing but more of a problem for wildlife - where the X-T3 is better) and that the IQ is about one stop noisier than the X-T3 (which I can fix in post with the new Topaz AI if I have to).

    Why oh why was this camera less of a success for Fuji than the X-T3? I just do not get it. It is great that the X-T3 has been such a success as I assume it ensures that Fuji will continue to deliver for years but why did the market and the media (represented by YouTubers) give it the boot as soon as the X-T3 appeared?

    For me, the X-T3 is an enthusiast camera whereas the X-H1 is much more of a pro-body, in the same league as the D800 or 5DmkX etc. Anyway, I will find it hard to part with this camera body a second time although my intention is use it for the project then sell it.

    As enthusiasts it is very easy to get swept up in the latest technology without realising that for all practical purposes all modern digital cameras are sufficient for commercial uses. My client for this work has already been more than pleased with the odd capture I have done with Ricoh GRIII (which can be very handy in reportage situations) so I can't see any reason why they would be displeased with results from the X-H1 over the X-T3 or any other equivalent 'more modern' camera.

    The proof of the pudding etc... so here are a few initial captures. I can't wait to test it out on my first assignment which is in March.

    X-H1, 5-shots bracketed and merged, 16/1.4 at f16, handheld, the last shot in the sequence was taken at 1/8th second.


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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    I actually never understood wha anybody serious in/with photography would prefer the X-T body over an X-H body - never ever!

    If the X-H2 (if it materialises) would have the same sensor/processor (technology) inside I would hands down go for the X-H version!

    Now I assume the new to be announced camera end of February will actually not be the X-T4 with IBIS and larger battery but rather a new high end camera like the X-H1 was but even better. We will know in a few weeks.

    But for repurchasing the X-H1 I only can applaud you - great camera!
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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    NOW you tell me!

    With all the X-T3 excitement, I went to B&H to play with it. It didn't grab me. Already having TL lenses, I ordered a used Leica CL for my APS-C needs. While the 11-23 is a spectacular lens, the range of lenses in that system is limited (and the FF L-mount lenses too heavy). I could certainly use some OIS or IBIS at the long end.

    Well, systems come and go. I went Fuji for my big camera, who knows?

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post

    Louis - it appears to me that you took this shot very close to where my son lives.

    He lives near the top of Parliament Hill (the street name).

    However you seem to have missed my grandson tottering along that felled trunk .
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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    If it is so great why does B&H show it as discontinued?
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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    The main 'knock' on the XH1 was its lack of certain video capabilities and its price poijt when it originally came out. Fuji were too fast with the XT-3 soon afterwards and the 'better' sesnsor and improved autofocus (FWIW) ....the ergonomics are better with XH1 at the margin and it also comes with IBIS - 'mo not so inspired by my XT3 and was looking forward to the XPro3- I think Fuji have one too many bodies in XPro/XH and Xt series and missing bits of this or that between all three.
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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Too many photographers buy cameras based on the spec sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elderly View Post
    Louis - it appears to me that you took this shot very close to where my son lives.

    He lives near the top of Parliament Hill (the street name).

    However you seem to have missed my grandson tottering along that felled trunk .
    Ian, A nice spot to live. I live a little further away and my daily stroll takes me either over the top of Primrose Hill or Parliament Hill. And I spend way too much time photographing birds all over the heath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    If it is so great why does B&H show it as discontinued?
    ...which is why right now you can pick up a bargain if you hunt. Mine is an ex-demo unit, still with the 2 year warranty, plus the grip (which I never use) but because of that 3 batteries. All for less than the cost of a second hand one. The IQ of the X-T3 is better at the pixel level but for all practical purposes not much different and the X-H1 body is way better than the X-T3, imho.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    The main 'knock' on the XH1 was its lack of certain video capabilities and its price poijt when it originally came out. Fuji were too fast with the XT-3 soon afterwards and the 'better' sesnsor and improved autofocus (FWIW) ....the ergonomics are better with XH1 at the margin and it also comes with IBIS - 'mo not so inspired by my XT3 and was looking forward to the XPro3- I think Fuji have one too many bodies in XPro/XH and Xt series and missing bits of this or that between all three.
    This is where my requirements may differ from a lot of other consumers. I am a stills photographer. All the time I have owned digital cameras with high-end video I have never even used it and often mapped the dedicated video button to something more useful to me. Each to his own.

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    Too many photographers buy cameras based on the spec sheet.
    Some users do need the specs although imho I think it is only videographers. For stills photographers, as soon as sensors got to 10mpx you really had all you need. Now it is the ergonomics and additional features (IBIS, firmware etc) that differentiate cameras, imho.

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    ...which is why right now you can pick up a bargain if you hunt. Mine is an ex-demo unit, still with the 2 year warranty, plus the grip (which I never use) but because of that 3 batteries. All for less than the cost of a second hand one. The IQ of the X-T3 is better at the pixel level but for all practical purposes not much different and the X-H1 body is way better than the X-T3, imho.



    This is where my requirements may differ from a lot of other consumers. I am a stills photographer. All the time I have owned digital cameras with high-end video I have never even used it and often mapped the dedicated video button to something more useful to me. Each to his own.



    Some users do need the specs although imho I think it is only videographers. For stills photographers, as soon as sensors got to 10mpx you really had all you need. Now it is the ergonomics and additional features (IBIS, firmware etc) that differentiate cameras, imho.

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    Same here - I couldn't care less about video functions and the only time I've used them was by accident when I got my original SL and hit the video button by mistake and then wasted 10 minutes trying to figure out wtf was going on ...I too disable video if it button mapped. I would have bought the XH-1 but I thought the price was too high and then when I bought the XT-3 - the XH1 price was chopped to bargain levels! LOL much better ergonomics ...I think Fuji will go all out to re-establish the XH-2 as top of the pops...and they better do a good job - because the XPro-3 is not selling well...

    I disagree about 10MP as being 'enough' though - I think 25ish is 'enough' and 50 ish is better and 100 is even better than that - but I'm now a big fan of small but ergonomically comfortable design....

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    You don't mean that Darr and I are the only 2 users out there do you Pete?

    It seems to be hard to get at the dealers so I expected it was selling OK. Is the word that it's not?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    [snip]...and they better do a good job - because the XPro-3 is not selling well...

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    The X-Pro3 has several issues - one is that in some samples the EVF is far too bright, another one is that the top plate separates from the main body leaving a relatively big leak - and this in a weather resistant camera that is sold for a premium and is actually the top PRO MODEL FROM Fuji.

    All this is not good for sale.

    And I guess there is still a shortage overall for this body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Same here - I couldn't care less about video functions and the only time I've used them was by accident when I got my original SL and hit the video button by mistake and then wasted 10 minutes trying to figure out wtf was going on ...
    Same here, I probably made an order of magnitude more short video's by accident than on-purpose video's. Until I mapped out the video button on my cameras I deleted a lot of 5-10 second movies from the card that all ended with a loud scream: "$hit"!.
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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Hello Peter, I was aware of the EVF issue with a small number of the bodies, but not aware of the top plate. Can you point me to a link for that one please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    The X-Pro3 has several issues - one is that in some samples the EVF is far too bright, another one is that the top plate separates from the main body leaving a relatively big leak - and this in a weather resistant camera that is sold for a premium and is actually the top PRO MODEL FROM Fuji.

    All this is not good for sale.

    And I guess there is still a shortage overall for this body.

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pelorus View Post
    You don't mean that Darr and I are the only 2 users out there do you Pete?

    It seems to be hard to get at the dealers so I expected it was selling OK. Is the word that it's not?
    hahahah - I'd buy one IF it had an LCD I didn't need to flip down - great camera apart from that - dont worry just use it! My view on sales performance is just the price drop for base models before Christmas- now at 2100 V 2600+ it is almost a bargain and very tempting...there are some problems with certain examples of the camera's skin peeling off at the point of connection with the top plate and some examples of EVF malfunctions- but that wouldn't bother me - cameras are replaced on warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    If it is so great why does B&H show it as discontinued?
    The short answer is a string of bad luck and Fuji mistakes.

    The long answer is a combination of factors. The A7III was announced a few weeks after the XH1 for $100 more. There were widespread reports of quality control issues with the most common one being that bodies were dying somewhere between straight out of the box and witching a couple of months of ownership. Someone at Fuji (or the people they work with) either let the cat out of the bag regarding the XT3 to the rumor sites and/or theynwere attempting to save face regarding mixed reception. Many XT and XPro owners believed the XH1 was too large and not worth the $200-600 premium above those bodies. Many Fuji owners didnít care for the removal of the dials. Many XT owners believed that Fuji was charging more for what essentially was a XT2 with IBIS and Eterna.
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    Hello Peter, I was aware of the EVF issue with a small number of the bodies, but not aware of the top plate. Can you point me to a link for that one please?

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    Hi Mike,

    saw it in this video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bp97pUU8g4

    I hope not too many cameras are affected by this ....

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    I was like you Pete when I first saw this camera at Fuji in Tokyo. I never thought I'd own it. Now you'd have to pry it from my cold dead hands!! If it has problems then Fuji can sort them but I just love it. The screen stays folded most of the time and I don't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    hahahah - I'd buy one IF it had an LCD I didn't need to flip down - great camera apart from that - dont worry just use it! My view on sales performance is just the price drop for base models before Christmas- now at 2100 V 2600+ it is almost a bargain and very tempting...there are some problems with certain examples of the camera's skin peeling off at the point of connection with the top plate and some examples of EVF malfunctions- but that wouldn't bother me - cameras are replaced on warranty.
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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Thanks Peter, an interesting perspective. On the price - you'd never buy a Japanese camera in Japan they are too expensive. The price fall that he showed represents the street price in Australia roughly so all that fall is about is aligning to the rest of the world.

    As for the other issues - the EVF and the top plate...who knows. If I search long enough I can find "lemon" threads on almost every non-trivial item I own. Car - yep, ute - yep, dishwasher - yep...The difficulty is separating the wheat from the chaff. Often those with an axe to grind beat up the very real issues to the point that it appears that the product should simply be trashed. The reality is often very different.

    In the description of that video there is a link to something (positive) Jonas Rask apparently said about the top plate...however it's in Facebook of which I'm not a member so I don't know what it is.

    BTW a nice walk around of a typical chunk of regional Japan

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    Hi Mike,

    saw it in this video

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    I hope not too many cameras are affected by this ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelorus View Post
    Thanks Peter, an interesting perspective. On the price - you'd never buy a Japanese camera in Japan they are too expensive. The price fall that he showed represents the street price in Australia roughly so all that fall is about is aligning to the rest of the world.

    As for the other issues - the EVF and the top plate...who knows. If I search long enough I can find "lemon" threads on almost every non-trivial item I own. Car - yep, ute - yep, dishwasher - yep...The difficulty is separating the wheat from the chaff. Often those with an axe to grind beat up the very real issues to the point that it appears that the product should simply be trashed. The reality is often very different.

    In the description of that video there is a link to something (positive) Jonas Rask apparently said about the top plate...however it's in Facebook of which I'm not a member so I don't know what it is.

    BTW a nice walk around of a typical chunk of regional Japan

    Watch, wait and have fun with the camera is the only thing to do.
    I really hope that what he shows is more an exception. Also pretty hard to believe for me that Titanium should be weaker than normal material

    Anyway enjoy the camera and I am still tempted to get one. Just in the waiting phase as I want to see what comes from some other brands I am interested in before I decide. So no real hurry ....

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Titanium is very alloy dependent. My son manufactures custom titanium bike frames and it certainly flexes. But there are a whole variety of different alloys with different properties so it's not reasonable to make judgements about the material in the X-Pro 3 until you know what alloy. But it's not reasonable either, as the video suggests, to claim that brass is superior. Every material has its pluses and minuses. I've seen brass rod snap like a carrot - brasses after all have zinc in them and in some cases it can be selectively corroded from the brass...I'm not a metallurgist but I think we need to have faith that Fuji made sensible decisions about the titanium top and bottom and the material they put into them. Interesting also that the video focused on the Duratec versions - if there was a problem with the material then one assumes that the coating - paint or vapour deposition - is not going to be the deciding factor in the material flexing...

    There is more to be known here yet.


    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I really hope that what he shows is more an exception. Also pretty hard to believe for me that Titanium should be weaker than normal material

    Anyway enjoy the camera and I am still tempted to get one. Just in the waiting phase as I want to see what comes from some other brands I am interested in before I decide. So no real hurry ....
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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Got one, and glad I did. The X-H1 feels much better in the hand than any other APSC I've picked up (or the small FF mirrorless. I wish I liked the Nikon Z, but it feels cramped. If I even touch a Sony, I break out in a rash.) I picked up the Zeiss 12/2.8 and the Fuji 56/1.2. The Zeiss is going back as it's decentered.

    So help me spend money. The 12mm FoV is my favorite for landscape and architecture. I have a Voigtlander 10mm if I need wider. On the GF side, the zooms are prime sharp throughout their range. Are there similar quality XF lenses? Are they too heavy and I should go with the smaller, newer, OIS lenses? What about the long end? I rarely shoot in the medium wide to normal, but would a 16-80 be a good one lens gap filler? For the long end, the 50-140 looks great. And heavy. What is the equivalent of the GF 100-200/5.6 (which is an excellent reasonably priced light zoom)?

    This is supposed to be my light-weight kit. I have GFX for the big stuff. What optics are a must? (and if there's an FAQ, I'll read it.)

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    Got one, and glad I did. The X-H1 feels much better in the hand than any other APSC I've picked up (or the small FF mirrorless. I wish I liked the Nikon Z, but it feels cramped. If I even touch a Sony, I break out in a rash.) I picked up the Zeiss 12/2.8 and the Fuji 56/1.2. The Zeiss is going back as it's decentered.

    So help me spend money. The 12mm FoV is my favorite for landscape and architecture. I have a Voigtlander 10mm if I need wider. On the GF side, the zooms are prime sharp throughout their range. Are there similar quality XF lenses? Are they too heavy and I should go with the smaller, newer, OIS lenses? What about the long end? I rarely shoot in the medium wide to normal, but would a 16-80 be a good one lens gap filler? For the long end, the 50-140 looks great. And heavy. What is the equivalent of the GF 100-200/5.6 (which is an excellent reasonably priced light zoom)?

    This is supposed to be my light-weight kit. I have GFX for the big stuff. What optics are a must? (and if there's an FAQ, I'll read it.)

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    Congratulations Matt the XH-1 is great camera.

    16/1.4 | 23/2 | 56/1.2 are my 3 lenses - for a light walk around kit. There is nothing wrong with the 35/2 either - I just haven't gotten around to getting one.
    Others might favour the 1.4 versions of the 23 /35 lenses - however they are bigger and slower focusing.
    Later this year Fuji is bringing out their 60 f1.0 lens.

    I have no comment to make re zooms - but have had excellent results from the 100-400 + TC.

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    As I said elsewhere Matt, congratulations!!

    So here's my $0.02: I've just been this path, wanting a lightweight walk around. My other two systems are an Alpa STC and the GFX 50R with the two zooms. I did a 32 day walk around with the GFX kit in Japan, it was OK but I tended not to take it out at night because it was too big and bulky in the tiny little places I tend to eat and drink.

    I put together an X-Pro 3 with a 35/2, 50/2 and just in the last week a 16/1.4. I have rigidly avoided the zooms because this is the lightweight kit. I think the two Fujicrons are stunning lenses for their size and price. I'd recommend both of them. Note however that both have residual aberrations of some sort which are admirably fixed in software - I use C1. Effectively you don't notice but various testers have highlighted the remaining aberrations.

    The 16/1.4 is on another level altogether and it's my one fast lens. I tossed up with it and the 2.8 but after reading reviews I ended up breaking the lightweight rule and going with the 1.4. It's roughly double the weight and size of either of the 'crons. The pics from it are I think more contrasty than the 'crons and the colours are top notch.

    I was also considering the 90/2 which others rave about. I decided that the 50/2 does 90% of the job I'd use the 90 for so I've left it at the moment.

    If you really want a lightweight kit then I chose to force myself to stick with the primes and I'm pleased I did. Even the 16/1.4 presents a new set of walk around challenges vs the two other lenses.

    The body, 2 'crons and a spare battery all fit in an F-Stop Micro Tiny ICU. It's great. The 3 lenses and body won't. I'm planning on a Micro nano to hold the two 'crons.

    This site, really helped me think through the decisions. I'm not sure of the scientific merits of their testing but it's consistent so it allows comparison between lenses.

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    Got one, and glad I did. The X-H1 feels much better in the hand than any other APSC I've picked up (or the small FF mirrorless. I wish I liked the Nikon Z, but it feels cramped. If I even touch a Sony, I break out in a rash.) I picked up the Zeiss 12/2.8 and the Fuji 56/1.2. The Zeiss is going back as it's decentered.

    So help me spend money. The 12mm FoV is my favorite for landscape and architecture. I have a Voigtlander 10mm if I need wider. On the GF side, the zooms are prime sharp throughout their range. Are there similar quality XF lenses? Are they too heavy and I should go with the smaller, newer, OIS lenses? What about the long end? I rarely shoot in the medium wide to normal, but would a 16-80 be a good one lens gap filler? For the long end, the 50-140 looks great. And heavy. What is the equivalent of the GF 100-200/5.6 (which is an excellent reasonably priced light zoom)?

    This is supposed to be my light-weight kit. I have GFX for the big stuff. What optics are a must? (and if there's an FAQ, I'll read it.)

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Pete and Pelorus,

    Interesting.

    I ended up with an odd assortment of glass. Perhaps because the X-H1 has IBIS, I chose all non-OIS primes. And not the usual primes - I figured that technical excellence is so prevalent that I would go for "character". Anyway, here's my current list:

    10mm f/5.6 - Voigtlander with adapter. I used to use it on the TL2, so only needed the M to X adapter. Sharp at f/8

    14mm/2.8 - Well, there isn't a wider AF prime. The Zeiss 12/2.8 I got was decentered and went back. I'll see if I can live with the 10 to 14 gap. This guy is plenty good, once I get around the manual clutch. Same FoV as the legendary Zeiss 21/2.8 Distagon - the lens that got me into landscapes.

    18mm/2 - I lived with the 28 Cron on my M9, so I probably like this FoV. Have been shooting wider lately, but this guy is tiny and weighs nothing.

    35/1.4 - Gorgeous rendering at 1.4, sharp enough for anything stopped down a bit.

    56/1.2 - Love this lens. Full stop.

    The 10-24/4 was tempting, but seemed part of a different aesthetic. Ditto the 55-200/3.5-4.8 I considered for longer range. But everything else is reasonably light, and I don't need to carry it all every time I walk out the door.

    Thank you for all your help. Pictures to follow!

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    Pete and Pelorus,


    The 10-24/4 was tempting, but seemed part of a different aesthetic. Ditto the 55-200/3.5-4.8 I considered for longer range. But everything else is reasonably light, and I don't need to carry it all every time I walk out the door.

    Thank you for all your help. Pictures to follow!

    Best,

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    Great lens selection and congrats and good luck with the camera. My X-T3 is getting less use except for wildlife. My most used lens to date is the 23/2. I got a really cheap knocked about copy second hand but the glass is perfect and the image quality is superb.

    I would suggest you seriously consider the 55-200 at some point. It consistently performs at a higher quality than the price might suggest.

    Here are a few samples today from the Waterloo area of London taken with the X-H1 and the 55-200.

    The middle image is typical of the value of this lens as it is for a guide book that requires a close-up of the famous clock (used as a meeting point) in Waterloo Station. It might seem overkill but at least I know the image is beyond what is typically required for reproduction so I can rely on it.





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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

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    Matt

    Great lens selection and congrats and good luck with the camera. My X-T3 is getting less use except for wildlife. My most used lens to date is the 23/2. I got a really cheap knocked about copy second hand but the glass is perfect and the image quality is superb.

    I would suggest you seriously consider the 55-200 at some point. It consistently performs at a higher quality than the price might suggest.

    Here are a few samples today from the Waterloo area of London taken with the X-H1 and the 55-200.

    The middle image is typical of the value of this lens as it is for a guide book that requires a close-up of the famous clock (used as a meeting point) in Waterloo Station. It might seem overkill but at least I know the image is beyond what is typically required for reproduction so I can rely on it.
    Wow! You convinced me. Those photos do NOT look like they're from an inexpensive zoom - more what I would have expected from the 50-140 or 100-400.

    It's funny about the 23mm (35mm in FF) FoV. I have NEVER used that focal length when I've owned it. A 35 Cron came with my first Leica film camera, and I got a 28/2 and a 50/2 right away. Leica S 45? Never use it. Didn't even bother with the GFX. I know everyone loves the 23/2 - maybe it will change my opinion. These primes are just gems!

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Matt : I'll be interested to see how your wider Voigtlander goes on the Fuji - are you going to get a replacement flange and code the thing?

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    First, a closeup with the 14/2.8. So easy - set the focus manually to the close limit, then move the camera in until the yellow peaking lights up the eyes.



    As for the 10mm Voigtlander, I just told the camera that it was 10mm, and use the Metabones M->X adapter.
    This is shot from close to the end of the piano at f/8. The music is crisp under magnification.



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    Thansk Matt - look forward to some 'outside ' shots as well, I think I need one of these

    Here is my latest Fuji system acquisition -I'll be using this as my 'shed' computer so I can do some work if I want to when I am out of house and in my man cave warehouse - cost less than a new mac mini...

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    What a great selection Matt. I reckon the 35/1.4 will render like its 16mm cousin which will make anyone happy. I was put off by its reputation for being a bit slow and noisy to focus.

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

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    Thansk Matt - look forward to some 'outside ' shots as well, I think I need one of these

    Here is my latest Fuji system acquisition -I'll be using this as my 'shed' computer so I can do some work if I want to when I am out of house and in my man cave warehouse - cost less than a new mac mini...

    I always liked that design...

    This is from a Leica APS-C with the Voigtlander 10mm, so the same FoV as the Fuji X. The goal of the thread was to match the Hasselblad SWC FoV....


    I'll add some Fuji samples ASAP

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    Wow! You convinced me. Those photos do NOT look like they're from an inexpensive zoom - more what I would have expected from the 50-140 or 100-400.

    It's funny about the 23mm (35mm in FF) FoV. I have NEVER used that focal length when I've owned it. A 35 Cron came with my first Leica film camera, and I got a 28/2 and a 50/2 right away. Leica S 45? Never use it. Didn't even bother with the GFX. I know everyone loves the 23/2 - maybe it will change my opinion. These primes are just gems!

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    What do we do when we get a new lens? Immediately photograph the cat :-)

    I agree about 28mm lenses. I wish there was a high quality one for the XF or GF mount. Having said that, the GF45/2.8 is a fantastic lens and I use it as an all purpose lens on the GFX50R. The rendering is very 'cron. As is the XF 23/2. This is my cat, today - the crop is from the centre but is still amazing for its sharpness. Not bad for a camera with what is considered to be an ageing sensor and a lens which is also a few years old now.

    XF23/2 iso200 f2 1/160


    Centre crop


    BTW, here is a crop from the GFX50R+45/2.8. Even the cropped size is still 13mpx which is more than enough for most publication purposes.



    And here is a similar view, taken today with the X-H1+55-200

    XF55-200, iso200 55mm f7.1 1/400
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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Biglouis,

    At this rate, I'll just get the whole set. MAYBE not the 200/2 . (Actually, it doesn't look expensive compared with Leica glass, and I still have a lot of that lying around.) I'm close to every GF lens, and have loved every XF lens so far.

    For instance, I tried the 55-200 today. Not too heavy, perfect balance, solid feel, and sharp wide open at 55, 100, and 200.

    My standard test-building. It's 1/2 mile away. You can clearly see the shelves in some of the offices. Very nice rendering of the foreground treetops. Wide open @ 200mm:



    For a silly comparison, here's the Voigtlander 10mm on a Leica SL, so the FoV is thirty times as wide . The test building is the second from the left:



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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    The advantages of a really inexpensive lens:

    It's not easy to determine correct infinity (or any other) focus on a very wide lens. I picked up the Samyang 12mm/2 to fill the gap between the 10mm Voigtlander* and the 14mm Fuji lenses. I had the feeling, though, that I could never focus it out to infinity. Stopping down to f/4 would get infinity sharp, but it still didn't seem right. I did some testing with a big Siemens Star and the hard infinity stop turned out to be at about 15 feet. Not good.

    Well, it was cheap as XF lenses go, so I took the back off and, lo and behold, shims! Two brass (thin) and three silver (very thin). Taking out the silver ones wasn't enough. Taking out the silver and a brass one was too much (infinity focus was achieved when the barrel read 1 meter). Taking out one brass one and leaving 2 of the three silver ones in was ... just right.

    Do you think this is deliberate and they expect everyone to calibrate infinity for their own camera and lens copy? I never read the instructions!

    Oh, the 14mm has distance markings, but they're accurate.

    Fun I wasn't expecting to have!

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    * Voigtlander names their FF 15mm Super Wide, their 12mm Ultra Wide, and their 10mm Hyper Wide. I suppose that makes the 10 mm on the X-H1 merely Super.
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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    Matt - thanks for reminding why I jumped with joy when I dumped all my Alpa/Sinar tech camera gear and digital back(s) and copal shutters and all the packets of shims lying around - actually I kept the shims they come in useful for calibrating fixtures in my machining hobby. Stuff like that isn''t photography it is some sort of living hell AFIC
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Matt - thanks for reminding why I jumped with joy when I dumped all my Alpa/Sinar tech camera gear and digital back(s) and copal shutters and all the packets of shims lying around - actually I kept the shims they come in useful for calibrating fixtures in my machining hobby. Stuff like that isn''t photography it is some sort of living hell AFIC
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    Pete,

    OTOH, I bought a $234 lens at my favorite focal length and, with a little work, turned it into something razor sharp wide open. It feels like a win. I sincerely hope I never have to do it again!

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

    I seem to be taking over this thread - the enthusiasm of a recent convert, I suppose.

    So you've all, no doubt, been asking "Why do I need a GFX100 if I have an X-H1?" Well, how large do you want to print? I tried to take these pictures close together, but the sun changed. So here are crops of the images scaled to 20" (300 dpi on the X-H1), 39" (300 dpi on the GFX100) and 60" (200 dpi and 100 dpi, respectively) widths. The X-H1 with Samyang 12/2 is on top and the GFX100 with 23/4 on the bottom. I am, of course, ignoring the quality of the sensors and their color. All RAWs processed in C1 and resized in PS.

    First, the whole scene with the X-H1 and the Samyang 12/2 at f/4


    Now a crop of 20" wide images. All crops would be 8" wide.


    39" wide prints. May be a slight visible difference.


    And 60" wide prints. Clear visible difference.


    Ok. I really AM going to go out and use this thing. It rained all day yesterday, and I've been inside all day today preparing for a large gathering tomorrow.

    Best,

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    Re: X-H1, why oh why?

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    So you've all, no doubt, been asking "Why do I need a GFX100 if I have an X-H1?" Well, how large do you want to print?
    Actually, I think the question is how much do you want to spend on a chiropractor?

    Welcome to the X photographer's club. I did my own tests when I moved to my X Pro2--I made 40" prints and then judged if I could live with the quality. (I figured if I can get to 40", then the rest is icing.) No, the X Pro2 is no competition to the higher frequency detail I can get from my Pentax 645D, but I carry my X Pro with me more often and it is more spontaneous.

    My lens line up is the XF14, XF 23/2, and XF50. I also have an adapted 90mm f/4. For the 18mm, I just got an XF10 as a second camera. I have no complaints with any of that.
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