WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

[Godfrey]

I don't know enough about this particular transaction (nor do I really want to), but I tend to agree with BRW: there's no win once you get a thread like this rolling.

But, just commenting on what's been said so far:

a) If you take pictures with the lens cap on and particularly with a long exposure time, you'll find some hot and dead pixels with a *lot* of brand new cameras which don't count for anything at all in terms of the camera's condition.

And b) Everything I sell says explicitly, "final sale, no returns." I take great pains to be sure that anything I sell is in better condition than described, and I've never had a complaint of any kind. But in the odd case where I missed something about the condition of an item and sent it out unknowingly, if the buyer contacted me in a timely way (within a day or so after receiving it) and said, "hey I was just checking out this thing and I found this, did you know about it?" my first response would be to say, "Put it back in the box exactly as I sent it to you and return it, I'll refund your money and reimburse you for the shipping."

To wait more than two weeks before reporting a problem, well, there's no way for me to know how the buyer handles something. I often grit my teeth watching some of my best friends handle their gear.

I don't do the 'pay for repairs' thing in any event. If the buyer isn't happy with what they bought, and that was my fault through missing a problem, I want the item back. Period.

I don't see anything wrong with providing criticism about a seller (or a buyer for that matter), but a for sale thread is a pretty aggressive place to do this unless the seller has been observed to repeatedly screw a bunch of buyers. Any individual transaction is a relationship between two people*as well as an exchange of equipment, and in any transaction even the most scrupulous and honest buyer and seller can rub each other the wrong way or make a mistake. For that reason, for sale threads are not the right place to supply feedback.

 

[opsconcorde]

BRW, three things.

1) As I explained very clearly in my email, I was unwell and did not have the chance to test the camera until 2 weeks after I received it. As I also pointed out to you, the image file numbers of the photos I sent you clearly showed that they were sequentially right after the numbers of the last photos you took when you had the camera. So it was not as if I had gone around happily shooting for 2 weeks before I discovered the problem. The problem was discovered immediately after I tried the camera and I contacted you right away.

2) You can see the red dot and white dots very clearly in the images I took and emailed to you.

3) I did not ask you to take the camera back, nor did I ask for you to pay for the repairs. Once I discovered the issue, I informed you about it and sought your views. Your position was clear: You did not think this was an issue, you did not know that the camera had such an issue. And you think I should be as happy using it as you did. Which of course to me was crap, but I accepted it.

Don't paint yourself to be a victim here. You are not.

 

[opsconcorde]

To all the other guys in the forum, thanks for your feedback and advice. Incidentally, the photos taken with the cap on was not done at long exposure. I can't remember the shutter speeds, but they should be around 1/60.

 

[enenrf]

To all the other guys in the forum, thanks for your feedback and advice. Incidentally, the photos taken with the cap on was not done at long exposure. I can't remember the shutter speeds, but they should be around 1/60.

I do the same thing when I get a new or used camera. Take this as a lesson next time test the camera right after receive it or simply buy form a reputable dealer with no asking return policy within grace period.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[bob338]

Don't paint yourself to be a victim here. You are not.

Do you consider yourself to be one?