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    WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    Usually people go the other way, but I'm finding I liked the M8/8.2 better for my shooting style and depth of field.

    I will post some pics, but figured I'd see if there was any interest.

    The M9 is less than one year old and looks & operates as new. With everything as new (box, etc) plus unregistered and lightroom download available.

    Looking for the perfect silver M8 or M8.2 to trade + cash.

    Thanks!

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    Hello

    Is it because you have a M9-P on ordered, haha?

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    haha! No, I'll keep the M9 if I don't find a trader and do the M9-P upgrade (I contacted them about it, thanks!).

    I find that I shoot tight and close for everything. I end up cropping my M9 images to the size of the shots I was getting with my M8/M8.2.

    The depth of field is very different on the M9, most of which I prefer.

    Another thing I like about the M9 is the quality of the jpgs! LOL. I shoot both RAW and Jpg, and the Jpgs actually come out very nice...even tho I do processing in Lightroom.

    Anyway - no M9-P on order....but I do have a Noct 0.95 on order



    Quote Originally Posted by kebebe View Post
    Hello

    Is it because you have a M9-P on ordered, haha?

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    might be interested, how much for the cash part are you looking at?

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    I bought BRW's black M8.2 here last month before he upgraded to M9. Turns out, the M8.2 had dead pixels and a foggy LCD screen. With the dead pixels, you will see a red dot and white spots on the image if you blow it up big. When contacted, BRW said that he never had an issue with the camera. The problem is now mine. Barely a month later, he's switching back to M8.2...

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    Really? If you hadn't waited 18 days before contacting me, i would have done something about it....it's difficult also because you are in Singapore and I'm in the US.

    As I said before, I'm sorry that you found the pixel by taking a picture with the cap on (which is something I didn't do - I took pictures with the cap off). And as I told you, my pictures always came out beautiful.

    You also said you'd have to blow up the pictures to billboard size to see the dead red pixel (which was only one pixel (so you told me)).

    Thanks so much for putting your two cents into this thread! Much appreciated!

    I've decided to keep the M9 (and I haven't taken 1 picture with the cap on yet!)


    Quote Originally Posted by opsconcorde View Post
    I bought BRW's black M8.2 here last month before he upgraded to M9. Turns out, the M8.2 had dead pixels and a foggy LCD screen. With the dead pixels, you will see a red dot and white spots on the image if you blow it up big. When contacted, BRW said that he never had an issue with the camera. The problem is now mine. Barely a month later, he's switching back to M8.2...

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    "Thanks so much for putting your two cents into this thread! Much appreciated!"

    So if someone has a criticism of a seller, he or she should keep it secret to protect the seller? Interesting view of the "community."

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    No, i don't mind criticism, but in this case, having a camera for almost 3 weeks and not letting me (the seller) know of a problem (that he said most Leica cameras have), is a problem when I've already upgraded.

    I can see this is a no-win situation for me, and I won't continue to try to defend myself.

    But, yes, I agree with you that we should be able to criticize when we are not happy with a seller, so I will take the criticism.


    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    "Thanks so much for putting your two cents into this thread! Much appreciated!"

    So if someone has a criticism of a seller, he or she should keep it secret to protect the seller? Interesting view of the "community."

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    This is one of the reasons why some sellers allow a grace period to allow buyers to inspect the item. If the seller have done so and the buyer has exceeded the date without notification then the issue is with the buyer. If the seller have not offered this grace period then it was upto the buyer to take into account of that when making the purchasing decision.
    it's upto the seller and the buyer to arrange something after the fact, but really at the seller's discretion.
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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    Perhaps, the shipping time to Singapore added to the buyers wait time to notice the issue, but I agree with Scott, that it's up to the buyer and seller to discuss. At these prices it should be confirmed that item should be as described.

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    The 18 days was AFTER the camera was in his possession (after delivery).

    How long is long enough for something like this? 3 days, 5 days? One week? Two Weeks? A month????




    Quote Originally Posted by johnnygoesdigital View Post
    Perhaps, the shipping time to Singapore added to the buyers wait time to notice the issue, but I agree with Scott, that it's up to the buyer and seller to discuss. At these prices it should be confirmed that item should be as described.

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    It all depends on what was agreed upon between you and the buyer. If there was no agreement, then it's upto you and the buyer to settle it privately.

    Quote Originally Posted by BRW View Post
    The 18 days was AFTER the camera was in his possession (after delivery).

    How long is long enough for something like this? 3 days, 5 days? One week? Two Weeks? A month????
    Scott

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    Opsconcorde, if you're a Windows user, get the freeware Pixel Fixer: http://pixelfixer.org/

    You calibrate it once with a dark frame taken with your lens cap on. Then you just run it on a folder full of DNGs. It quickly maps out the hot pixels, rewrites the DNG files, and all is well.

    *All* digital cameras get a few hot pixels during their lifetime. Some (like Olympus DSLRs) have a routine to map them out in firmware, so you never see them. Leica doesn't, so you have to either send the camera back to Leica, or fix it yourself in software. My M8 has a few hot pixels. Why should I pay Leica to map them out when I can easily fix my pictures with a simple command on each folder of DNGs?

    This is not meant to take anybody's side, only to help you be happy with your M8.

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    There was no agreement on time.

    I wasn't asked to take the camera back. I was asked to pay to have the camera repaired by Leica.

    Like I said before, no matter what I say now, he wins this argument.

    So he wins! Case closed.


    Quote Originally Posted by SYGTAFOTO View Post
    It all depends on what was agreed upon between you and the buyer. If there was no agreement, then it's upto you and the buyer to settle it privately.

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    If there was no agreement on time, I would say "buyer beware" applies; ask lots of questions including grace period. Seller needs to be upfront about the condition of the item, and buyer needs to cover this end in case something like this happens. You wouldn't buy such a high dollar item without thinking/asking about return policy.

    I don't think the buyer wins this argument, I'm with you on this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by BRW View Post
    There was no agreement on time.

    I wasn't asked to take the camera back. I was asked to pay to have the camera repaired by Leica.

    Like I said before, no matter what I say now, he wins this argument.

    So he wins! Case closed.
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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    I'm kind of continuing in this thread because I was interested in trading my M8.2 for your M9.
    Scott

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    Quote Originally Posted by SYGTAFOTO View Post
    I'm kind of continuing in this thread because I was interested in trading my M8.2 for your M9.
    LOL...Well, I'd be sure to take a picture with the cap on my M9 before I do anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRW View Post
    LOL...Well, I'd be sure to take a picture with the cap on my M9 before I do anything else.
    But if you were told that dead pixels could be detected this way, wouldn't you do it? I don't photograph blank skies, but sometimes I do to detect dust…

    For opsconcorde : I bought a M8.2 two weeks back. It took me five days to detect a line at ISO 640 and above and this. I immediately informed the seller, but to no avail. It's in Solms now

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRW View Post
    LOL...Well, I'd be sure to take a picture with the cap on my M9 before I do anything else.
    If you could detect dead pixels doing it, wouldn't you do it? Blank skies are not really my subjects but I do photograph them to detect dust…
    It does not surprise me that someone buying second hand tries these techniques to test their purchase.

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    I will not be trading the M9, but thanks for all the offers and kind words....

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    I don't know enough about this particular transaction (nor do I really want to), but I tend to agree with BRW: there's no win once you get a thread like this rolling.

    But, just commenting on what's been said so far:

    a) If you take pictures with the lens cap on and particularly with a long exposure time, you'll find some hot and dead pixels with a *lot* of brand new cameras which don't count for anything at all in terms of the camera's condition.

    And b) Everything I sell says explicitly, "final sale, no returns." I take great pains to be sure that anything I sell is in better condition than described, and I've never had a complaint of any kind. But in the odd case where I missed something about the condition of an item and sent it out unknowingly, if the buyer contacted me in a timely way (within a day or so after receiving it) and said, "hey I was just checking out this thing and I found this, did you know about it?" my first response would be to say, "Put it back in the box exactly as I sent it to you and return it, I'll refund your money and reimburse you for the shipping."

    To wait more than two weeks before reporting a problem, well, there's no way for me to know how the buyer handles something. I often grit my teeth watching some of my best friends handle their gear.

    I don't do the 'pay for repairs' thing in any event. If the buyer isn't happy with what they bought, and that was my fault through missing a problem, I want the item back. Period.

    I don't see anything wrong with providing criticism about a seller (or a buyer for that matter), but a for sale thread is a pretty aggressive place to do this unless the seller has been observed to repeatedly screw a bunch of buyers. Any individual transaction is a relationship between two people*as well as an exchange of equipment, and in any transaction even the most scrupulous and honest buyer and seller can rub each other the wrong way or make a mistake. For that reason, for sale threads are not the right place to supply feedback.

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    BRW, three things.

    1) As I explained very clearly in my email, I was unwell and did not have the chance to test the camera until 2 weeks after I received it. As I also pointed out to you, the image file numbers of the photos I sent you clearly showed that they were sequentially right after the numbers of the last photos you took when you had the camera. So it was not as if I had gone around happily shooting for 2 weeks before I discovered the problem. The problem was discovered immediately after I tried the camera and I contacted you right away.

    2) You can see the red dot and white dots very clearly in the images I took and emailed to you.

    3) I did not ask you to take the camera back, nor did I ask for you to pay for the repairs. Once I discovered the issue, I informed you about it and sought your views. Your position was clear: You did not think this was an issue, you did not know that the camera had such an issue. And you think I should be as happy using it as you did. Which of course to me was crap, but I accepted it.

    Don't paint yourself to be a victim here. You are not.

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    To all the other guys in the forum, thanks for your feedback and advice. Incidentally, the photos taken with the cap on was not done at long exposure. I can't remember the shutter speeds, but they should be around 1/60.

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    Quote Originally Posted by opsconcorde View Post
    To all the other guys in the forum, thanks for your feedback and advice. Incidentally, the photos taken with the cap on was not done at long exposure. I can't remember the shutter speeds, but they should be around 1/60.

    I do the same thing when I get a new or used camera. Take this as a lesson next time test the camera right after receive it or simply buy form a reputable dealer with no asking return policy within grace period.

    Sorry for your loss.

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    Re: WTT: Leica M9 (black) for M8 or M8.2 Silver

    Quote Originally Posted by opsconcorde View Post
    Don't paint yourself to be a victim here. You are not.
    Do you consider yourself to be one?

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