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    WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    If you have one you'd consider selling send me a PM and lets work it out!

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    How does that compare to 50/1.2 Lens? I know the 60 is rare but optical wise? I am getting a 50 and already have a 35/2 UC.

    Any info will be nice!

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Knowing your buying habits and power Kebebe, I don't need a competitor like you looking for this lens....so, lets just say its an overpriced dog lens and I only really want it to go with my Hexar RF

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    i am not thinking of buying the 60. i am sticking with 50mm. i am just trying to find out if i should get the 50 1.2 konica and experience the difference from the Noct.95, lux asph, and canon 1.2.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Kebebe, i think we both know that if a 60 came up right now you'd jump on it

    The 50mm has a very different rendering to any lens I've used. Its very distinct and looks like a painting. Its not crazy but keeps bokeh in very small swirls, unlike the lux ASPH which smooths everything out into larger swirls, if that makes sense. They are known to have focus issues on some M bodies so calibration may be needed. The Hex 50 is just about the best built M lens I've ever felt, possibly better than the Noct...yes thats right.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    btw, i am buying gear not for the sake of collection but being able to use them so resale is not my main objective. i am new to leicas since mid last year and trying to learn the wonderful ways why having multiple 50s or 35s or any focal length DO render differently.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Quote Originally Posted by kebebe View Post
    btw, i am buying gear not for the sake of collection but being able to use them so resale is not my main objective. i am new to leicas since mid last year and trying to learn the wonderful ways why having multiple 50s or 35s or any focal length DO render differently.
    No need for justification Kebebe. We're glad to have you around scooping up all the best gear

    I'm glad to hear you're using and enjoying the gear, cause thats what its made for. 50mm lenses are exciting lenses cause they're all so different and interesting. if you happen to find a 60mm, let me know...or let me know how good it is when you have it

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    i just bought the 50mm konica and the guy has a 60. I asked for you and he is not interested to sell now. he is in USA. i got the 50 from ebay and i am sure you can get his info. good luck on the 60. i only read about it in asia websites from steve lee. maybe more opportunity for you to search there.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Quote Originally Posted by kebebe View Post
    i just bought the 50mm konica and the guy has a 60. I asked for you and he is not interested to sell now. he is in USA. i got the 50 from ebay and i am sure you can get his info. good luck on the 60. i only read about it in asia websites from steve lee. maybe more opportunity for you to search there.
    I've been looking, trust me, but cannot seem to find one...and I've been looking for some time now

    I know the lens you bought. i was considering it. Looks like a winner with the box

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    he has 2 more 50 and i think he might sell one more. i paid $2599. Not sure it is fair current values. i was told by glycine also a member that the prices has gone up doubled on these lens.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Quote Originally Posted by kebebe View Post
    he has 2 more 50 and i think he might sell one more. i paid $2599. Not sure it is fair current values. i was told by glycine also a member that the prices has gone up doubled on these lens.
    Prices for excellent versions with no box went for $1700 before the price hikes. They NEVER come with the box so you did ok. Not a bargain, but considering its pretty good. Honestly in terms of build quality and performance its worth more than the Noct IMHO.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Kevebe is a great guy. So is Kristian ....

    I, thankfully, am not in the market for one of those lovely lenses, though the work I have seen from Peter (prosophos), Dana Voss, Raaj over at DP Review, and Yanidel show that this lens is quite capable. Bokeh is a bit more geometric (highlights become circularish), giving it a definitive look to images....It's a mix of gentle classic and more modern elements to the sharp parts of the image....I have never tried the 50 mm f/1.2, but I am guessing that the image rendering is similar, due to similar lens vintage and similar focal lengths. However, the 60 hex is a RARE beast, I think only several hundred were ever made....

    I think there are a few people on the look beside you guys (Steve Huff, I think, and a couple others), but not me LOL....too pricey a lens, since I already have the Noct f/.95 and wouldn't sell it for a hexanon...

    As for Kebebe, I have spoken with him, great guy...just looking to try lenses out and see what fits, and has the budget to do this. My guess is that eventually, some of the less used gear will come open again down the road once photographic tastes have become more clear....I did a similar move, and of course, have ended up with aspherical (i.e. expensive) taste LOL

    Best of luck to both of you dueling hex-lusters, though....LOL....
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    i know no bargains anymore when people start looking for any lens supplies vs demands. no such thing some estate sales that you walk in and cleanup all goodies for pennies for a dollar.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    Kevebe is a great guy. So is Kristian ....

    I, thankfully, am not in the market for one of those lovely lenses, though the work I have seen from Peter (prosophos), Dana Voss, Raaj over at DP Review, and Yanidel show that this lens is quite capable. Bokeh is a bit more geometric (highlights become circularish), giving it a definitive look to images....It's a mix of gentle classic and more modern elements to the sharp parts of the image....I have never tried the 50 mm f/1.2, but I am guessing that the image rendering is similar, due to similar lens vintage and similar focal lengths. However, the 60 hex is a RARE beast, I think only several hundred were ever made....

    I think there are a few people on the look beside you guys (Steve Huff, I think, and a couple others), but not me LOL....too pricey a lens, since I already have the Noct f/.95 and wouldn't sell it for a hexanon...

    As for Kebebe, I have spoken with him, great guy...just looking to try lenses out and see what fits, and has the budget to do this. My guess is that eventually, some of the less used gear will come open again down the road once photographic tastes have become more clear....I did a similar move, and of course, have ended up with aspherical (i.e. expensive) taste LOL

    Best of luck to both of you dueling hex-lusters, though....LOL....
    The Hex 50 is a very different lens actually. Its bokeh is very different to other Hex lenses. Its hard to explain but its very nice, nicer than the Noct f/1 IMO.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    thanks ashwin. its always a pleasure to hear from you. i have a hard time selling stuff and still regret the noct f1.0 and the 35m lux I. I have been looking for a MINT 50 Noct f1.0 58mm version. Glycine just sold one on ebay and my other friend has one I tried. Maybe I try to get one as well.

    60 hex is nice but somehow my brain is still on 50. Is the Nikkor f1.4 worth buying as well?

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Quote Originally Posted by kebebe View Post
    thanks ashwin. its always a pleasure to hear from you. i have a hard time selling stuff and still regret the noct f1.0 and the 35m lux I. I have been looking for a MINT 50 Noct f1.0 58mm version. Glycine just sold one on ebay and my other friend has one I tried. Maybe I try to get one as well.

    60 hex is nice but somehow my brain is still on 50. Is the Nikkor f1.4 worth buying as well?
    Considering what you seem to go for in a lens the Nikkor lens, the millenium version won't give you anything more than your lux ASPH. A nice lens but kind of similar, though not as good from what i've seen, not having used the lens.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    I don't own either Hex but from what I can see, I really like 60 Hex. It reminds me a lot of Noct-Nikkor, my favorite 35mm lens thus far. I have been looking for it for a while now as well, but to no avail.

    For the Nikkor, you may have to first ask whether you like Sonnar drawing style. If you do, I personally think it is the Sonnar to get (...although I am now looking for Canon 50mm 1.5, but please don't compete against me )

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    I have a MINT Noct-Nikkor too but I don't see that it has contrast compared to 60 Hex from stephen lee's Flickr. Maybe I am not using my Noct-Nikkor correctly.

    Too many lens to look for. One can only use one lens at a time. Thanks for the tip. I am not planning for the Canon. I was told be careful with Canon LTM since some have glue coming apart and ruining lens.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    I have the Hex 60 on an Ebay search list. I got an email showing one had listed a couple of months ago for $5995. When I went to Ebay to look at the listing, it had already sold. It was there for a very short time and that's the only one I've seen come up for at least 6 months. It was more than I was willing to spend but it's kind of like going to the zoo to see the rare animal.

    I agree with Kristian about the Hex 50. Beautifully made with great ergonomics. It's the easiest to focus of all the fast lenses I've tried.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    I had shot with the Hex 50mm f1.2 and as Kristian mentioned, it's certainly different than the 50mm Lux asph, especially how it draws and it's bokeh. I felt though that the Lux at f.4 did clearly out resolve the Hex at f1.4 but sharpness is of couse only one of a number of important optical parameters. I'd be interested to hear what others thought of theHex 50 vs. The 50mm Lux asph. I also has a chance to work with some full fez fiiles from the Hex 60mm...but that appeared to be quite a different beast, so to speak.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    There someone local to me who is selling this lens.

    Check out Craigslist in Toronto. If I remember correctly, asking price was $7000.
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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    The best stuff i have seen on this lens is from Yanidel on his blog . He has a Paris Street shooting blog with a full test of the 60 1.2 Hex . He pairs his 35 slx with the 60. A very nice set for 2 lens.

    I looked at that 50 1.2 on ebay as well. I have 8 50 s for the M and on paper made a few bucks his year. I only sell when i upgrade. But $7000 is just a reflection of supply demand not the true value of the lens.


    Would enjoy seeing the 50 1.2 images.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Quote Originally Posted by SYGTAFOTO View Post
    There someone local to me who is selling this lens.

    Check out Craigslist in Toronto. If I remember correctly, asking price was $7000.
    I came across that add, too funny. Anything over $4k is ridiculous for this lens, cause it's good, but not 'that' good. I'll pay a fair but not ridiculous price. Ive never seen them go for over $4k myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    The best stuff i have seen on this lens is from Yanidel on his blog . He has a Paris Street shooting blog with a full test of the 60 1.2 Hex . He pairs his 35 slx with the 60. A very nice set for 2 lens.

    I looked at that 50 1.2 on ebay as well. I have 8 50 s for the M and on paper made a few bucks his year. I only sell when i upgrade. But $7000 is just a reflection of supply demand not the true value of the lens.


    Would enjoy seeing the 50 1.2 images.
    Roger, Yanidel does show some superb images representitive of how this lens performs as well as a few others I've communicated with who own and use the 60mm. Then there are images from others images I've seen and my impression of it was somewhat mixed. I'm of two minds about the 50 but as Kristian mentioned, the 60 from all I've seen is a very good and quite interesting lens, but I'm not quite sure that good, that it's worth the price it has recently commanded.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    If I can't find a Hex 60 for a fair price, I'll happily have a pre-asph Summilux in black paint.

    50mm is definitely my preferred focal length, but always wanted to at least try the 60 - but not at the cost of a kidney

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    I may not be a good tester but I can bring the noct .95, konica 50 f1.2, lux 50 pre and apsh and also canon f1.2 to leicashot and he can do a better tested comparisons. I don't have old noct anymore, canon .95 or konica 60. That is if leicashot want to do it.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    I can say, in general, that this might be an interesting test if done carefully (and right). Not so much which lens is better or worse, but how they differ since a person's own preference and needs can be quite different. Keep us updated and thanks!

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    Yes Dave. Maybe you can PM me or email how to do test. I guess we are looking a near field subject and Bokeh at different f stops? Type of backgrounds to see circles of confusion? You can review my files and published the findings?

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    id be happy to but unsure id have the time. where are you based Kebebe?

    im in LA

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    I am in Arcadia, so cal. Quite close to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kebebe View Post
    I am in Arcadia, so cal. Quite close to you.
    I'm sure we can tee up a time to meet. Not sure you could fit your new collection in your car unless you drive an Escalade

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Sorry if this is slightly OT, but the comments regarding Yanidel got me thinking.

    I follow his blog regularly and like his processing style. It has become a signature for him if you like. But as soon as you start touching contrast and clarity sliders, etc, in PP doesn't that kind of make a web-based analysis of lens rendition somewhat difficult?

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Since I spend much money in camera equiptment I drive a Subaru but I can get a roof rack, haha. Seriously it would be nice to meet and see some of your work. doing photography as a profession is lot different as a hobby. besides Leica M type lens are small so I can always get them into several cases.

    I will PM my cell so we can talk if you like,

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Really two schools of thought .. A rigorous lens test of the type performed by Sean Reid attempt to limit the variables that affect the final image . He follows a very consistent testing protocol using tests that seem to make sense to a photographer . Over many tests done in the same way you can begin to see pattern of rendering that defines the lens (maybe in subjective terms). Zeiss ZM lens always look crisp and sharp because they have very high macro contrast ..the edges are black and the whites are clean and bright (maybe a little blueish ).

    Of course even this type of testing is impact by the raw conversion but if you are testing Leica M glass ..the sensor and the conversion can be consistent.

    But this type of conversion often favors the lens with the highest contrast and color saturation. A planar image has more POP than a summicron .

    Yanidel is showing a final product ..the best he can muster with post processing . He is following the desaturated slightly cyan balance that is in some of the fashion ad signatures . Look at the SEPT issue of Vogue and you will see plenty of stuff that has the color rendering of Yanidels work.

    What I see in his 60/1.2 is the ability to render the plan of focus with decent sharpness and contrast while allowing the OF areas to maintain a smooth and soft bokeh .

    The 60/1.2 looks a little stronger from 1.2-2.8 than the pre asph summilux although they could be fairly close. The newer asph 1.4 and 0.95 would have stronger macro contrast and edges would look harder . The NOCT 1.0 has a softer roll off from 1.0-2.8 . I find it hard to create the retro look (faded color) with the 50 asph although I am sure others can do this.

    So both types of testing can provide insights . (and always consider the type of light you are using )..Paris is Northern light and you often gets soft overcast days ..way different that shooting at South Beach where you have very sharp contrasty light most days .

    Diglloyd is also a good sight for testing of M glass because he illustrates his work well. He shoots a lot of landscape and you can see how his priorities would be much different to Yanidel .



    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Woods View Post
    Sorry if this is slightly OT, but the comments regarding Yanidel got me thinking.

    I follow his blog regularly and like his processing style. It has become a signature for him if you like. But as soon as you start touching contrast and clarity sliders, etc, in PP doesn't that kind of make a web-based analysis of lens rendition somewhat difficult?

    Regards

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Thanks for the insight and many images have post processing so really don't know if color cast, contrast and sharpness.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Quote Originally Posted by leicashot View Post
    If I can't find a Hex 60 for a fair price, I'll happily have a pre-asph Summilux in black paint.

    50mm is definitely my preferred focal length, but always wanted to at least try the 60 - but not at the cost of a kidney
    I have the 50 lux pre asph in black paint. Great lens. Love the E46 pre asph.

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    Re: WTB: Konica Hexanon 60/1.2 lens

    Hi Guys,

    I'm part of the few crazies looking for this too much rare lens...

    Still hoping to get my hands on one, but it's hard to know where to look, so if anyone has an idea, or is willing to part with one, i'm all ears (and money).

    Thanks!

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