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    FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Selling my Leica M9-P which I have handled with the utmost care. Not a single mark anywhere. Comes with everything like new, box, papers, charger etc. And an extra Leica battery too. Will throw in the chrome Thumbs Up with box. Original sensor, no issues whatsoever. I'm the second owner of this camera as I bought it from a senior member here. Asking $3600. The Summilux asph 50mm will be listed separately but if you want to buy both items let me know. Am located in Houston, TX, if anyone is interested in a local sale.

    In the sale:
    1. M9-P
    2.Thumbs Up Silver
    3. Extra Leica battery

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    dropped $3300!

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Bump!

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    make me an offer!

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    $3300 shipped!

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Bump!

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Dropped to $3100 shipped

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    Dropped to $3100 shipped
    Payment sent

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    sold

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    sold
    I made the purchase based on the description the seller provided for something not in the pictures or in FS description - a much later SN, perfect sensor condition without corrosion, lower shutter count, etc. So I received the camera - It is a much older SN and sensor has very visible corrosion, even before I get to test further. I informed the seller of those discrepancies, but the communication with the seller was unpleasant and I was accused being an unreasonable buyer, nitpicking and all that.

    I am not really a new forum member and have had numerous FS transactions in the past with most pleasant experiences with some of the members here. Because of the computer and account issue I later changed my account. This is the first unpleasant experience I have had here.

    Buyer be aware.

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Sounds like classic bait-and-switch? You might post more details, for example the serial number and shutter count discrepancies, as evidence. With that info the seller should be booted off the forum, but that doesn't seem like enough. Connections with muscle in Houston?

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    Sounds like classic bait-and-switch? You might post more details, for example the serial number and shutter count discrepancies, as evidence. With that info the seller should be booted off the forum, but that doesn't seem like enough. Connections with muscle in Houston?

    Kirk
    Thanks for the post and asking. This seller received some not-so-flattering feedback on Fredmiranda site as a seller so I was cautious and asked detailed questions, as well as for additional pictures. The major discrepancies are summarized as follows:

    (1) This seller indicated the Serial No starting 439. It turns out to be 3971241.
    (2) This seller wrote that "The shutter count is around 4000. I'm estimating since I bought it and it's pretty good estimate! Haven't used it much though". Through another senior pro member's kind help, I got to confirm that the last shutter count in the seller's possession is 13419, not 4000 or anywhere close.
    (3) One important aspect I wanted to confirm is the sensor condition, especially at f8~f16, and I indicated to this seller how to look for sign of corrosion for confirmation. This seller assured me more than once that the sensor is in perfect condition and he/she did not see any sensor corrosion at those aperture. As it turns out, the sensor has some very visible corrosion spots, even visible at aperture wide open (f2.5) with 35mm f2.5 Summarit, not to mention very visible at f8~f16 (with or without enlargement) in my initial testing.

    When I informed the seller, the seller completely denied it and refused any resolution, saying he/she didn't know what Serial No is, sensor is perfect, why so nitpicking when I did not overpay, told me to sell it to others to recoup the money, etc. There is no need to detail those unpleasant messages here, as those were most upsetting. I will take action to get the money back and hopefully get the seller booted off the forum.
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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Yes, file complaint with however you paid, and also tell our administrators!

    K
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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    I am sorry to hear--I was very close to pulling the trigger on this; I feel badly for you that you have to go through the headache.

    Make sure you keep all correspondence--even text messages. Paypal will review it all if you've used them. (If you use an iphone, there is even a program that will download your entire conversation off the phone, and save it in PDF file...)

    It is sad when people do not conduct themselves with the same sort of integrity that we ourselves would.

    To the seller: you really should do the right thing, and stand by your sale.

    Good luck.
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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    The seller also has another item for sale now, a lens. Hope you can inform administrators before someone else is cheated.

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Quote Originally Posted by mewanchuk View Post
    I am sorry to hear--I was very close to pulling the trigger on this; I feel badly for you that you have to go through the headache.

    Make sure you keep all correspondence--even text messages. Paypal will review it all if you've used them. (If you use an iphone, there is even a program that will download your entire conversation off the phone, and save it in PDF file...)

    It is sad when people do not conduct themselves with the same sort of integrity that we ourselves would.

    To the seller: you really should do the right thing, and stand by your sale.

    Good luck.
    It's good to learn that it's possible to download the texting off the phone since that's what the seller used mostly during the transaction. Thanks for your advice (same for Kirk's and that very helpful pro member who corresponded privately). I will inform the administrator. I paid via Paypal using a particular credit card which is very good at handling this kind of situation so I stay hopeful.

    All of my purchases on this forum in the past several years have been most pleasant. I also had pleasure corresponding with some of the most helpful members. This event is infuriating and I don't wish others to ever have to go through something similar.
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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Copy and pasted in box message

    1) The serial number discrepancy is a misunderstanding. I sent u a pic of the bottom of the box assuming one of them was the serial number. Had you told me that is not where it is and where it actually is i would have sent you that too. Turns out neither knew where to find the serial number.

    2) The sensor to my knowledge was totally fine and i still believe it is. All my pictures from flickr taken with this camera were available to you to go through and dissect what ever way you wanted to. The pictures are all labelled as to which camera they were taken with so there is no question of not knowing which pic and which corresponding camera. I'm sure you went through everything there. I'm not aware of any method to hide sensor corrosion in photographs. There simply isn't any to my knowledge as i clearly stated to you.

    3) I approximated the shutter count based on the previous sellers number. I have used the camera sparingly as you can make out from the exterior. I clearly told you I do not know how to look up the shutter count and am approximating it based on my usage which has been not much at all. You should have said that based on an approximation you can not buy the camera and that you needed an exact shutter count. Me not knowing how to figure that out, automatically this sale would have not taken place.

    Again I stress- I am a hobbyist and not a professional photographer. What ever i knew i told you.

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    The seller also has another item for sale now, a lens. Hope you can inform administrators before someone else is cheated.

    K
    Nobody will be cheated rest assured. I have bought and sold many times times on this forum and no one has ever accused me of the stuff this gentleman has, Mr Ta Chen. Have never come across a buyer like him before. In addition to the pics provided he asked for 13 more which I sent him. I bought this camera from Dave a member here who sold this camera to me in great condition and i have kept it in the same. Very sad it has come to this.

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    Sounds like classic bait-and-switch? You might post more details, for example the serial number and shutter count discrepancies, as evidence. With that info the seller should be booted off the forum, but that doesn't seem like enough. Connections with muscle in Houston?

    Kirk
    No connections here at all. No need to boot me out. I will leave myself if this goes on.
    Thank you

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    The seller also has another item for sale now, a lens. Hope you can inform administrators before someone else is cheated.

    K
    That lens is now sold after this camera was. I'm sure you can check with the buyer Ryan that there was no problems in the sale and everything was as described. I stress I am not a cheat as I'm being accused of. This gentleman is my first horrible experience.

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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    @Moonshine,

    I don't think anyone is accusing you of being a "cheat". The problem is, when the seller comes on and alleges a subsequent difficulty with contact, it is difficult for us to draw any sort of conclusion--especially when we only have one side of the story. Some thoughts to consider:

    -Leica will repair the sensor free of charge if it is indeed an issue--time is the only factor. In truth, it probably needs a good professional cleaning before one may conclude the issue is corrosion. Leica will do this in the course of an assessment.

    -The serial number may also be found on the top of the camera, along the hotshoe connector.

    -The actuations, while perhaps more than anticipated, are still not that big a deal--especially if the camera is in excellent cosmetic condition, and is going to Leica for an assessment.

    -All that being said, the important thing is that you and the seller are communicating. I hope the two of you are able to come to a mutually respectful and agreeable restitution.

    Best regards,
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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    Greetings. This is an interesting experience by two members in forum. My comments here are from the perspective of a member who was contemplating buying both the Summilux and the X2 from the seller (Moonshine).

    The first observation is related to the errors in the serial numbers and the number of actuations. If these data were exchanged, and I assume that they were, then they must be accurate. The serial number should be exact, and the number of actuations should be within 100 clicks or so to the estimate. We are all Leica users here, and some like Moonshine are with sizable level of output and extensive range of sophsticated Leica equipment, therefore, mistakes with regards to these seminal two pieces of information are not easy to accept.

    The second observation is related to communication. It seems that it broke down at a given point of time. I am inclined to assume that this is responsibility of the seller as he/she should manage the expectations of the customer. Perhaps I am missing something, but an immediate full refund could have solved all the issues in 5 minutes.

    It seems that all is coming to a good end. Best of luck to all parties.
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    Re: FS:Leica M9-P Silver Pristine

    My thanks to forum members for your support, both in the thread and in private messages/emails. It was never my intention to be the center of attention of his unfortunate transaction, nor did I have any ill wishes to the seller. I am pleased to inform you that both parties have had cordial dialogue and seller has offered options (including full refund) as resolution. I trust it will be resolved to both parties' satisfaction. Best regards, TC
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