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    WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    Have been searching for a few months now. Is anyone looking to get rid of their c mount Phase One IQ180, or know of a place where I can find one?

    Thank you!

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    sold mine a year ago or so, those are pretty rare!

    best solution might be, get one with a different mount and have it converted by phase to C mount.
    the switch will be free if it has value added warranty and the free switch hasn't been used yet.
    otherwise it might be around 1000€$ ?

    nonetheless, if you find one, you wont be disappointed, the c645 lenses shine on this back and are up to handle the resolution, i had a shooting in a studio once with my 80F2 and the details are simply amazing at F4 and higher. more details than you sometimes wish for actually

    good luck

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    I didn’t know that they were still offering that seevice. I’ve just emailed them now. I’d still prefer to just find and buy an original, but I guess that will be my plan B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drevil View Post
    sold mine a year ago or so, those are pretty rare!

    best solution might be, get one with a different mount and have it converted by phase to C mount.
    the switch will be free if it has value added warranty and the free switch hasn't been used yet.
    otherwise it might be around 1000€$ ?

    nonetheless, if you find one, you wont be disappointed, the c645 lenses shine on this back and are up to handle the resolution, i had a shooting in a studio once with my 80F2 and the details are simply amazing at F4 and higher. more details than you sometimes wish for actually

    good luck
    So, I’ve been doing a little digging. The service for changing mounts is tedious, expensive, and you never know when you’ll get the camera back. They basically just waituntil someone upgrades from a specific mount, and ‘harvest’the parts for mount changes, etc.

    I’m pretty much set on using the Contax 645 though, so I think I will keep fishing. If anything crosses your wires, please let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikesteam View Post
    So, I’ve been doing a little digging. The service for changing mounts is tedious, expensive, and you never know when you’ll get the camera back. They basically just waituntil someone upgrades from a specific mount, and ‘harvest’the parts for mount changes, etc.

    I’m pretty much set on using the Contax 645 though, so I think I will keep fishing. If anything crosses your wires, please let me know.
    I have an Aptus Contax mount DB for sale with 2 Contax 645 bodies and almost all the Contax 645 lenses. DM me if you have any interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikesteam View Post
    So, I’ve been doing a little digging. The service for changing mounts is tedious, expensive, and you never know when you’ll get the camera back. They basically just waituntil someone upgrades from a specific mount, and ‘harvest’the parts for mount changes, etc.

    I’m pretty much set on using the Contax 645 though, so I think I will keep fishing. If anything crosses your wires, please let me know.
    hmm when i bought the back from pemihan, it didnt seem like a hassle, the change was done in less than a week i think, i dont think much needs to be change, its just the mount frame and maybe firmware update so the back knows how to behave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonnaTucker View Post
    I have an Aptus Contax mount DB for sale with 2 Contax 645 bodies and almost all the Contax 645 lenses. DM me if you have any interest.
    Hi Lonna,

    Which DB is it?

    Thank you,

    Alan

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikesteam View Post
    Hi Lonna,

    Which DB is it?

    Thank you,

    Alan
    Hi Alan,

    Mine is Aptus 65. I believe that Capture Integration had bought the remaining Contax mount digital backs a few years ago. It might be worth a try to see what is left in their inventory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonnaTucker View Post
    Hi Alan,

    Mine is Aptus 65. I believe that Capture Integration had bought the remaining Contax mount digital backs a few years ago. It might be worth a try to see what is left in their inventory.
    Oh, darn! If it were the 80mp version I would have taken you up on that offer. I may be interested in one of the bodies though. Do you happen to have the waist-level fonder with you rkit? Please PM me a few more details.

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    I don't blame you for wanting to use the Contax 645. So much simpler than the XF and the lenses are cheap
    compared to good Phase One lenses

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    exactly doug, as simple as it gets!
    will keep mine as well and definitely the 80F2, other lenses might go some day
    and if a wonder happens and a P25+ comes along i wont hesitate to grab it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    I don't blame you for wanting to use the Contax 645. So much simpler than the XF and the lenses are cheap
    compared to good Phase One lenses
    Hey Doug. I know very little about Phase One's camera offerings. Are there film backs for them? I need a hybrid system, and as drevil said the Contax with the 80f2 is such a beautiful combination on film. Just recently getting into more studio work, so I would love to use the digital back in that environment, and use film on it for my personal work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikesteam View Post
    Hey Doug. I know very little about Phase One's camera offerings. Are there film backs for them? I need a hybrid system, and as drevil said the Contax with the 80f2 is such a beautiful combination on film. Just recently getting into more studio work, so I would love to use the digital back in that environment, and use film on it for my personal work.
    AFAIK no, there are not film backs available for the phase one bodies (AF, DF, DF+, XF, etc), although one of the dealers here has modified the Contax 80 f/2 to be used on a P1-Mount body for digital use.

    If you want a hybrid digital/film system, I think your options are Contax, Hasselblad V system, Hasselblad H system....and maybe Rollie Hy6? There’s also tech cams too.

    Generally Hasselblad H-mount and P1 Mount backs (DF and XF) are common to find on the second hand market, but backs with other mounts are harder to come by.

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    Yeah, like once a year I will see a Contax IQ1 80, and I haven't had the funds to purchase one until now. I will give it until the end of this year to see if one pops up. If not, I think I may have to settle for the H-mount version and get a Hassleblad body instead. Let me know if you find anything!

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    Hey drevil, do you mind if I PM you to ask you about that mount change process and where you had it done? I've found a decently priced IQ180 back for a different mount, and I'm thinking I may just go ahead and buy that one and pay to get the mount changed.

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    no need to pm me, i haven't done the switch by myself, it was done by pemihan, he had an iq180 i wanted to buy and he still had a free swap for that. so check if the back you gonna buy still has value added warranty and if the one free swap is still available.

    he sent it in to phase, luckily for him he doesn't live to far away from the P1 HQ, so it was done quickly.

    before, so has it the rumors, phase didn't actually swapped the mount of the back but gave you a new/or used back in the mount that you want. in my case it seems they actually physically switched the mount. as we know. contax mount backs are pretty rare.

    if you have anymore questions, just fire away

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    Still looking. I see I missed out on some good ones here. If anyone knows anything or is selling one, let me know.

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    Obviously dropping Contax 645 mounts by Phase One was a clear attempt to force people to buy their XF and exorbitant lenses.

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    I just noticed this IQ160 on Ebay. Might be the closest to an IQ180 you see in many moons

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Phase-One-I...AAAOSwCDxdpl~h
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    I think I'm set on getting the 180.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drevil View Post
    no need to pm me, i haven't done the switch by myself, it was done by pemihan, he had an iq180 i wanted to buy and he still had a free swap for that. so check if the back you gonna buy still has value added warranty and if the one free swap is still available.

    he sent it in to phase, luckily for him he doesn't live to far away from the P1 HQ, so it was done quickly.

    before, so has it the rumors, phase didn't actually swapped the mount of the back but gave you a new/or used back in the mount that you want. in my case it seems they actually physically switched the mount. as we know. contax mount backs are pretty rare.

    if you have anymore questions, just fire away
    Yes, it was a pretty easy process, I just dropped the back off at my dealer end got it back less that 10 days after. But as drevil says I live in Denmark where P1 HQ is located. But in these days shipping all over the world with FedEx og UPS only take 2-3 days depending on you location. Of course there can be issues with customs but if you go through a dealer they can probably take care of that with no issues.

    But yes the cheapest thing would be to find an IQ180 or 280 (same sensor) with remaining value added warranty where the free mount change haven't been used.

    Peter

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    Hey everyone,

    Still looking. I've also decided that I would consider the P65 model as well. Everyone that I've approached who has a 180 says that changing the mount to Contax would be a process that would take a lot of time.

    Throwing this out there to see if you guys know anything.

    Sincerely,

    Alan

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    Keep at it, one is bound to pop up at some point. There was a Contax mount IQ260 that popped up on eBay US last month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcdeveau View Post
    Keep at it, one is bound to pop up at some point. There was a Contax mount IQ260 that popped up on eBay US last month.
    Interesting. I'm going to take a look into what those photos look like. I don't want to get into a heated debate here, but I really do like CCD sensors, and prefer their rendering. If I'm not mistaken, the 2-- series sensors are CMOS, correct? Anyways, thank you for the heads up, and I'll keep my eyes peeled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikesteam View Post
    Interesting. I'm going to take a look into what those photos look like. I don't want to get into a heated debate here, but I really do like CCD sensors, and prefer their rendering. If I'm not mistaken, the 2-- series sensors are CMOS, correct? Anyways, thank you for the heads up, and I'll keep my eyes peeled.
    No need for a CMOS v. CCD debate. The 2-series and 3-series come in both CMOS and CCD variants.

    The IQ backs with CCD sensors come in 40, 60, and 80mp variants. The IQ140 is 33x44mm in size, whereas the 60 and 80mp backs have 40x54mm sensors.(approx). The IQ CCD backs are as follows:

    IQ140, IQ160, IQ180, IQ260, IQ260 Achromatic, IQ280, IQ360, IQ380.

    The CMOS IQ backs come in 50 (33x44mm), 100 (40x54mm), and 150mp (40x54mm) flavors and are as follows:

    IQ150, IQ1 100, IQ250, IQ350, IQ3 100, IQ3 100 Trichromatic, IQ3 100 Achromatic, IQ4 100, IQ4 150mp, and IQ4 150 Achromatic.

    There are differences between the 1, 2, and 3 series, but the differences are unrelated to CCD or CMOS.
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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    Thank you for this. I was more so speaking on the way CCD sensors render images, but this is quite helpful. Does anyone by chance know which models Phase One phased (pun intended) the Contax mounts out of the system? Was the 260 the last one?

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    The IQ2 series was the last one

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    Hey guys,

    Just dipping my toe in the pond again to see if anyone has any updates. I apparently missed one on eBay a couple of weeks ago!!! Let me know if you guys have heard anything or are looking to part with your own.

    Cheers

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    Just checking in again...

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    Phase obviously dropped the Contax 645 mount to bolster sales of their own XF body.
    I owned an XF and really thought it was over-featured.

    The Contax 645 had simple features but enough and also is smaller and lighter.

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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    I talked to a P1 representative in Paris Thursday, he told me changing mounts costs 3000 excluding tax and they basically swap your back with a refurbished one: they don't change mounts.

    I have a V mount IQ180 looking very good (as new) with about 323.000 triggers.

    Let me know!.
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    Have been searching for a few months now. Is anyone looking to get rid of their c mount Phase One IQ180, or know of a place where I can find one?

    Thank you!

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    3000? it was 1000euro 3 years ago, nice price policy these days

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    A word of advice:
    Definitely check with your Phase One representative before arranging a mount swap. I recently attempted to complete a mount swap for a IQ3100 from P1 mount to Hasselblad H, and was told that it could only be completed when they received a refurbished back from a client trade-in. I was given no ETA/time frame for the swap, it is simply a waiting game, and could take over a year. I was also told that the Contax backs are nonexistent, and they have customers who have been waiting years for their mount swaps to go through.
    This is disappointing from a company that serves the professional market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plastic View Post
    A word of advice:
    This is disappointing from a company that serves the professional market.
    Proof that they only care about their bottom line, not photographers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plastic View Post
    A word of advice:
    Definitely check with your Phase One representative before arranging a mount swap. I recently attempted to complete a mount swap for a IQ3100 from P1 mount to Hasselblad H, and was told that it could only be completed when they received a refurbished back from a client trade-in. I was given no ETA/time frame for the swap, it is simply a waiting game, and could take over a year. I was also told that the Contax backs are nonexistent, and they have customers who have been waiting years for their mount swaps to go through.
    This is disappointing from a company that serves the professional market.
    Great information to share. I was very lucky to swap out the IQ3 100MP-M645 mount to H mount. I did have to wait for at least 3 months for mine. Also my P1 M645 mount was still under warranty so I am not sure if that also help over digital back that has no warranty left.

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    We've had an open purchase order on Phase One's desk for the past several years for any Contax mount digital back that comes into Phase One inventory, and not a peep.

    They're rare birds now.

    I have had one IQ180 Contax that came in trade about 15 months ago and was sold to a very happy client who shoots weddings. Shoots it spcifically with the 80/2.0 and loves it. And wants a backup. So, I'm still looking too!

    Regarding "phasing" out of certain camera mounts. Despite what someone noted, it's not as simple as - Hey, let's just stop offering these mounts to bolster our camera sales. Digital back sales for Contax (and Hasselblad V, and to a lesser degree Hasselblad H) had been falling for years. There is a cost to continuing to support legacy solutions, and at some point it's a factor of dimishing returns. That plays a role as well, and it's not fair to portray it as simply to boost sales of the XF system. The numbers were getting so low on Contax mount orders that deciding to no longer offer the mount was not at all a significant factor toward increasing XF sales. The XF platform had already been dominating camera platform sales ever since launch.

    Also, the mount swap cost has always been $3,000 USD, never $1,000. At least as far back as I am aware - and this goes back over 12-14 years. Phase One is far from perfect, but please criticize where it fits, not where it doesn't.

    Phase One always swapped a completely different digital back when you ordered a mount swap. The Leaf digital backs on the other hand, did actually swap the mount. This is nothing new. And yes, as per above, it can take a very long time to receive a mount swap for a Contax, or even a Hasselblad V. This has nothing to do with a lack of performance on the part of Phase One. The owners of those digital backs would need to trade them in to Phase One, and they either chose to stay put and keep what they have, or they upgraded several generations back, and those units have already gone back out into the market, where apparently those owners are happily holding onto them.


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    Thank you guys for the responses! I think like a lot of people are saying, it might be best to get one with a Contax mount, instead of trying to get the mount replaced (I contacted multiple people last year to see if they would do that, and most were not willing). Please keep me updated, and thank you again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    We've had an open purchase order on Phase One's desk for the past several years for any Contax mount digital back that comes into Phase One inventory, and not a peep.

    They're rare birds now.

    I have had one IQ180 Contax that came in trade about 15 months ago and was sold to a very happy client who shoots weddings. Shoots it spcifically with the 80/2.0 and loves it. And wants a backup. So, I'm still looking too!

    Regarding "phasing" out of certain camera mounts. Despite what someone noted, it's not as simple as - Hey, let's just stop offering these mounts to bolster our camera sales. Digital back sales for Contax (and Hasselblad V, and to a lesser degree Hasselblad H) had been falling for years. There is a cost to continuing to support legacy solutions, and at some point it's a factor of dimishing returns. That plays a role as well, and it's not fair to portray it as simply to boost sales of the XF system. The numbers were getting so low on Contax mount orders that deciding to no longer offer the mount was not at all a significant factor toward increasing XF sales. The XF platform had already been dominating camera platform sales ever since launch.

    Also, the mount swap cost has always been $3,000 USD, never $1,000. At least as far back as I am aware - and this goes back over 12-14 years. Phase One is far from perfect, but please criticize where it fits, not where it doesn't.

    Phase One always swapped a completely different digital back when you ordered a mount swap. The Leaf digital backs on the other hand, did actually swap the mount. This is nothing new. And yes, as per above, it can take a very long time to receive a mount swap for a Contax, or even a Hasselblad V. This has nothing to do with a lack of performance on the part of Phase One. The owners of those digital backs would need to trade them in to Phase One, and they either chose to stay put and keep what they have, or they upgraded several generations back, and those units have already gone back out into the market, where apparently those owners are happily holding onto them.


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    do they need to put in any new firmware?
    I have a contex mount P25+. Is it possible to hood up on a P65 (V/H mount) by myself?

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    I saw OP's post on day one and since than I have been looking for one to help him.So far no chance. The day I see anyone with it, I am gonna ask him/her to contact OP immidiately or else....
    But seriously its a challenge for Phase one. Its not impossible to put one together and not at skyhigh cost either.
    Mr Hendrix,hats off to your team's interaction whenever your input is expected.Phase One sold Contax mount back in the past so they have the knowledge and resources.
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    I purchased a nearly mint P45+ many years ago that still had a year of value added warranty on it so a swap was possible and included. I also learned from the dealer (Digital Transitions) that when you request a swap, they DO NOT actually swap the mount, but they try to locate the same DB in the mount that you are wanting to switch to. Back then it was still fairly easy and Phase One was able to locate a Contax mount P45+ which I had in my hands within a few weeks.

    The P45+ is now my back up DB because a few years ago I located an IQ260 from Capture Integration in Contax mount and jumped on it. They are incredibly rare, and I had also been searching for at least a year. I also prefer the CCD look.

    Good luck and keep looking. It is well worth it! I think with the Fuji GFX taking a decent chunk of the market share away from P1, and getting some photogs to switch, it might unearth a few more Contax mount DB's here and there.

    Nothing renders like a full frame CCD P1 DB on a Contax with the 80mm f2 lens. The GFX is a cropped sensor (closer to a CCD P20, P40, IQ140, IQ240 or the CMOS IQ150, IQ250) so it significantly alters the look of the 80mm f2 when it is used on the GFX via the Fringer mount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B L View Post
    I saw OP's post on day one and since than I have been looking for one to help him.So far no chance. The day I see anyone with it, I am gonna ask him/her to contact OP immidiately or else....
    But seriously its a challenge for Phase one. Its not impossible to put one together and not at skyhigh cost either.
    Mr Hendrix,hats off to your team's interaction whenever your input is expected.Phase One sold Contax mount back in the past so they have the knowledge and resources.

    No, if nothing else, it is a diversion for Phase One, whether they can put the pieces together or not. They are a river flowing in one directon and the odd Contax user who wants a newer digital back is a distracting tributary from the flow. Based on the number of Contax mount sales in recent years, I won't hold it against them. It's a shame, though.


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    Re: WTB: Contax 645 IQ180 digital back

    Thank you B L. I tried to post in the FB group for Contax 645 users, but my post was pretty much immediately deleted. If anyone here is a member, I'd definitely appreciate a post in the group to test the waters.

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