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    WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    My ideal set-up would be the "LifePixel" enhanced color IR mod (665nm and a $500 option with the 5D) but will consider others.

    1) Obviously looking for a deal here that is cheaper than me buying a used 5D and having it converted.

    2) Other option is I purchase a used 5D and mod it myself, but again, looking for a deal so the total conversion doesn't break the bank, like to keep the total under $1500.

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    i was just about to post something like this today!

    but im looking for something less then a 5D... maybe a 20d or so

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    good luck, jack. hard to find. i got mine on ebay - the writeup proved to be good. converted by maxmax. a guy in nevada who proved to be more than trustworthy. and the camera little used. i did have to outbid a lot of other people: $1345 plus shipping. however, i absolutely love it. did get the stronger screen for that glow. from everything i've read the 5d considered the king of the ir converted cameras.
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Thanks for the feedback Wayne. I suspect I'll be doing one custom for that very reason, so just need to find the 5D deal
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Jack, I will check but I think we have 2 or 3 5Ds, I'll send you a PM with details later this morning...

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    jack,
    here's another well-kept secret:

    http://www.precisioncamera.com/infra...-services.html

    i had my d-lux 2 done by them and they did a great job. their rep, mark, fine to deal with.

    and look at their price for a full-frame. can't beat it.

    best, wayne

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Hi Wayne:

    Thanks for the link! They are $150 less expensive than LifePixel and do have the 665 nm filter too -- BUT do they also adjust camera focus for IR at that price?
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    i got the lifepixel mod, and the focus is dead on

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Having perfect focus is definitely worth $150 to me if PrecisionCamera doesn't do that...
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Jim - is your camera the Standard Color or Enhanced Color?

    It seems to me that if one got the enhanced color it might be rather simple to get the same look as the standard color by desaturating the file. Do you think this is the case?

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    This has been something I've kicked around for a long time. Now I'll just wait for the gear locker to open
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    Jim - is your camera the Standard Color or Enhanced Color?

    It seems to me that if one got the enhanced color it might be rather simple to get the same look as the standard color by desaturating the file. Do you think this is the case?
    Enhanced color.

    you can still put a more powerful IR filter (92 or 93) in front of the lens, and get a more intense IR effect.


    These are shots out of the camera















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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    hi jack,
    they must fix the focus too! give them a call. my d-lux 2 focuses right on.
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Jim - thanks

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    I had a very nice email exchange with Mark Soares at Precision Camera Repair, and based on his informative answers to my questions, I have decided to go with their 665nm option over LifePixel's. For the camera body, it sounds like Robert may have a decent 5D deal for me, so hopefully will have this all settled over the next few weeks.

    Stay tuned for a more in-depth review!

    Thanks again for all the great feedback, and special thanks to Wayne for steering me to the Precision folks!
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    good luck, jack. i think you'll enjoy the experience. the thing about ir, all the books on it and most of the web stuff looks the same. like most photography there seems to be an ideal which people aspire to. my feeling is ir can give punch to a story, and the story, not the mode, the important thing.

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Agreed Wayne. My favorite times to use IR almost always seem to be when the light is bad for visible light work. So here, I look to it as a niche to fill in with my regular shooting.
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Still looking for a deal on a used 5D for conversion!
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Still looking for a deal on a used 5D for conversion!
    Jack,

    Mariah is using my 5D at present. She may purchase it and I should find out shortly.

    My Canon 5D has the battery grip, four batteries, charger, and the 4x5/8x10 crop line screen. Box and blank warranty card, cables, software unopened....

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Let me know what Mariah decides -- I definitely don't want to Bogart her, heck she might put a hurtin on me
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Mariah committed to Ken's so I am still looking!
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    Had no idea the 5D was so expensive! Just for kicks and giggles I went to one of the very few places I would feel comfortable buying used - KEH. They have always graded their products very low, in some cases a BGN (bargain) was more likely closer to excellent. Anyway the spread is $1599 to $1,8999 all with battery and charger and in some cases cables.

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    We have them for $1399-$1499 (the latter being in excellent condition, very little if any signs of use, some with original boxes.) The 5Ds hold their values.

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Yeah, for sure. I'm not in any hurry, so will hold out for a sub $1000 copy or at least one with enough extras to make it compelling
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Jack

    In your research what did you find if anything about converting a 1Ds II? I've got one sitting in a closet collecting dust that I only use for lightning. Now Sandy tells me I can use her 1DsIII so that opens up the Mark II. Do I combine the two cameras for a greater spread of lightning or do I convert to IR.

    Don't want to sell it so that's not a real option.

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Creek View Post
    Do I combine the two cameras for a greater spread of lightning or do I convert to IR.
    Don, tough call. The mkII is still 16MP and is no slouch even by today's 20+mp standards, is also a weather-proofed camera, so I'd be tempted to keep it visible light for lightning spread and back-up in that environment.

    By definition, most IR captures are softer than visible light, so frankly total pixel count becomes less of a concern to me. I wanted full-frame IR and I have Canon mount lenses, so that left the 5D or 1Ds mkI as my first choices for conversion -- and the 5D is cheaper and lighter in weight to slog around in the bag, though if a deal on a 1Ds1 came along, I'd sure look at it.

    The other side of that coin is lightning captures might be very cool combined with IR backgrounds -- have no idea, but it's a thought worth considering -- and would certainly work for monochrome lightning images...

    To answer you first question, I did not specifically explore 1 series conversions, but am pretty sure precision camera charges the same price for the conversion of all full-frame cameras, while Life-Pixel and MaxMax charge more for the 1 series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    The other side of that coin is lightning captures might be very cool combined with IR backgrounds -- have no idea, but it's a thought worth considering -- and would certainly work for monochrome lightning images...
    You get the best IR effects when there's a lot of light available, natural or artificial, not much going on in its absence. There wont be any noticeable difference shooting dark skies with an IR converted or standard camera, specially in monochrome without lighting up the environment.

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    I had originally thought of going to Maxmax for a conversion until I found Precision. Maxmax charges $450 for DSLR camera conversion and it looks like will convert either a G9 or G10. Precision on the other hand charges $299 for DSLR and $129 for the G.

    I've run hot and cold over whether I should go with a DSLR or P&S and currently leaning towards the 1DsII.

    I was going to say something about lightning in IR until I read David's response which does make sense. Of course I can see a static shot where one image is captured during the day and the other with lightning then combining the two.

    Any idea of the turn around time for Precision?
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    G-10 as a IR camera sounds like a barrel of fun to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    G-10 as a IR camera sounds like a barrel of fun to me
    Yeah that thought keeps creeping into my head too
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    You get the best IR effects when there's a lot of light available, natural or artificial, not much going on in its absence. There wont be any noticeable difference shooting dark skies with an IR converted or standard camera, specially in monochrome without lighting up the environment.
    Actually David, this isn't quite true. On our workshops we demonstrate just how much IR is available about an hour before or after sunrise due to residual heat energy.
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Creek View Post

    Any idea of the turn around time for Precision?
    A couple of weeks -- but apparently you can pay $100 for something like a 2-day turn around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Actually David, this isn't quite true. On our workshops we demonstrate just how much IR is available about an hour before or after sunrise due to residual heat energy.
    There is light during that period, the sky isn't dark yet.
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    David see post #114 on this thread. There are more shots later some of which go a little over the top IMHO....

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showth...orkshop&page=6

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    There is light during that period, the sky isn't dark yet.
    Yes there is still some light, but you said,

    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    You get the best IR effects when there's a lot of light available, natural or artificial
    There certainly isn't a LOT of light an hour before sunrise or after sunset.

    If you go to the link Terry posted above, you can see the effect. Also, if you ask Jim Collum about his IR images, many are done in the pre-dawn and post-dusk hour...
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    I saw that image, its lovely and a very nice IR effect.

    We're playing semantics here, there's plenty of light at those times. Its too late now (ET) for me to look around but I'll post some samples tomorrow night.

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    This discussion has really gotten me thinking about a conversion. Now which will it be - the 1Ds II gives me a choice of lenses although I'd more than likely stick with the 24-70 or do I convert a G10 for the fun factor as well as movies?

    Jack -which camera did you use on those Moab images?

    Terry - thank you for posting the link as I had completely forgotten about the images.

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Don: The Moab shots were done with a 720nm filter over the lens of my M8. The M8's leak enough IR to make images, so being able to mount a filter on the lens and still see through the RF viewfinder, make them viable to use either way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Don: The Moab shots were done with a 720nm filter over the lens of my M8. The M8's leak enough IR to make images, so being able to mount a filter on the lens and still see through the RF viewfinder, make them viable to use either way
    I've been using a Cokin 007 IR 89B filter first on the 1Ds and currently with the WRS. Not bad results just think I could always do better - that's why I'm thinking of the conversion.


    Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your search maybe this should be moved to another venue?

    Don

    btw- I can't see through the lens with the filter on.

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    OK I'm hijacking a little more. If you can't see are you manually focusing stopped down and making the DOF work for you? or is AF close enough. IIRC for IR you have a different focus distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    OK I'm hijacking a little more. If you can't see are you manually focusing stopped down and making the DOF work for you? or is AF close enough. IIRC for IR you have a different focus distance.
    Hi Terry

    I've fallen into a trap of working with a technical camera. I've gotten so used now to not being able to AF that I've caught myself actually using the same workflow while I still had my Phase body. Since most of my image are at infinity or nearly so that hasn't really hurt me and I shoot either f/11 or f/8. You bring up an interesting question with 35mm. I assume the focusing will be close to infinity as well however I just need to work out the sweat spot for the f/stop.

    I'm thinking of IR lighting more and more as I've gotten crazy color combinations in some lightning strikes and then to combine these with the general landscape of say - Monument Valley just makes me wonder.... Then again why haven't I seen anything like this before?

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    With some Canon EF lenses, there are IR correction marks (the 24-70L for instance), but you are right--it seems a lot are shot near infinity with other lenses, that I just wing it to a great degree when I'm using a filter and regular DSLRs--or go back and work it out. I focus, put the filter on, shoot (at the settings I've determined work best for IR in that situation).

    With my IR converted 10D (Lifepixel), I can shoot handheld, use VF as normally and the focusing has been corrected for IR--or at least works with the majority of lenses I use for IR.

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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    IR discussion has been moved to here

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8474
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    Re: WTB: 5D for/or IR modified 5D

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Let me know what Mariah decides -- I definitely don't want to Bogart her, heck she might put a hurtin on me
    Geez---looking at the FMVs posted here for used 5D cameras, I feel like I'm almost giving my 5D kit away to Mariah. But then again, if I didn't give her a good deal, she might put a hurtin' on me too!

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