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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Actually they both have USB 3 now which really helps costs for the small stuff like card readers which I already bought one of those . But backup drives that don't need the T bolt speed and expense the USB 3 externals are a nice cheap option. I ordered a 3tb Go. Flex this morning just for like 3rd backup style just need to write to it than store it. I do have a T Bolt Pegasus 4tb drive running Raid 0 as a working drive that is as fast as my SSD . So I'm getting ready. Lol
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    > T Bolt Pegasus 4tb drive running Raid 0

    With no critical data at Raid 0?

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    Not bad at all. I always back up manually to another drive any real data like Raws and finals. So if it ever crashed I'm covered. I love the Pegasus around 500mbs either way. When you work with laptops with no big internals this certainly helps. I keep a years worth on it than delete from bottom up when I start getting full
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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    I'm really after the extra T bolt plug and USB3. My laptop is very fast with 6g SSD , 16gbs of ram and a spinning drive for backup in the optical bay. So performance wise I'll only get 20 percent which is not much. I'll probably sell mine here soon so it's a nice laptop early 2011 model. It's got a dent so it will be a cheap purchase for someone.
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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    None of the reviews so far mention the technical aspects of the new display panel - bit depth, color gamut. I'd say there is still a fair chance it's an 8-bit panel. Almost all TN panels are 6-bit but for IPS it might be different. The IPS panels that Dell and HP use for their high end workstation laptops are 10-bit per channel, whereas HP used a (quite poor) 6-bit panel in their latest Envy 15 consumer series.
    I suppose it's possible, since IPS panels require less backlight, but the issue has always been power consumption - a 6 bit display of any type consumes less energy. Battery life is extremely high on Apple's priority list, so I"m not sure they would sacrifice any battery life for a slight incremental improvement in color rendition that only a minuscule few of their user base cared about. Is anyone using 8 bit panels in portables?
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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Well Terry

    I thought this is the MF forum - so anybody using a MF back should have the same problem ? So regarding the place of the posting I think it is VERY Mainstream.

    And I know that Apple does change whatever they want to change. It is just making me feel misused again , as all the dealers and all the Manufacturers will have to deal with the customers calls again (of course for free) all claiming it does not work and "your" product is faulty.

    What a big fun........... Sorry I will laugh later.

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    Stefan- clearly it doesn't meet your needs but that doesn't invalidate the machine or concept. I don't need to plug into Ethernet, I don't have any more FireWire devices, etc. if you need all of that they still exist on the non retina machines. Apple moves on with technology, the pushed out floppy drives, pushed it wifi, pushed out DVD, etc. I don't think your needs are very mainstream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    Well Terry

    I thought this is the MF forum - so anybody using a MF back should have the same problem ? So regarding the place of the posting I think it is VERY Mainstream.

    And I know that Apple does change whatever they want to change. It is just making me feel misused again , as all the dealers and all the Manufacturers will have to deal with the customers calls again (of course for free) all claiming it does not work and "your" product is faulty.

    What a big fun........... Sorry I will laugh later.

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    We will just disagree. I believe users have options. If firewire 800 is needed use connector, ethernet use connector cable or buy non retina. USB3 is more helpful for other peripherals in the future than firewire 800. There is nothing here that should not have been predictable from looking at what Intel was building into their chips.

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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    OK- the next time someone calls me and asks for help with a nonfunctioning Back I just tell him : well you have options.........

    You live in the marketing world - I live in the real support world.

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    Sorry Stefan-

    You have no idea what world I live in.




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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    The machine works for me.
    All the connectivity I need except firewire now, that be in July.
    I already have a TB to firewire adapter lying around so I can use that in the interim.
    For me it was 16GB of memory that was the tipping point.
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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    I know what Stefan means. At the moment we are having severe problems with running our Leaf back with our PC even using the firewire card recommended on the P1 website and using the Leaf firewire repeater. When I asked Yair what laptop Leaf would guarantee would not cause me problems with the back he said that Leaf cannot guarantee any computer to be problem free with their backs. However most have told me that macs will be fine. Now however when you are running via adapters, I'll bet that backs so sensitive to any inconsistencies in the firewire connection are going to start becoming seriously problematic. The marriage between digital backs and firewire is IMO going to start becoming somewhat fractious in the future...
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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    I have no experience with leaf so I can't say, but I have been tethering with an air with firewire adapter using an IQ180 for nearly a year with no issues other than occasional user stupidity. That time I left the adapter at home
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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Sorry if this was too personal Terry, not meant to be !

    but to the point: Which options ?
    Right now there are None, in 2 months there MAY be some, nobody has seen it working, nobody knows how the powersupply will be on the adapters, so maybe you will even have to go from the adapter to a firewire power supply (second box, another pair of plugs and soldered connections that may fail..............

    In theory Apple is always the white knight on the white horse saving the world. In real life the people trying to support this will tell you - some - stories of bombastic failures and misconceptions.

    That said, I am a nearly 25 year of usage Apple user and certified trainer, well connected to apple and having plenty of friends working for their support. There is a surface (the marketing bubble that works perfectly) and there is the real world (YES - they can not walk on water, believe it or not)

    The brand is adorable and professionally made and managed. But sometimes , as said before in the thread, you have to hate them.

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    Bob, if I can ask.

    Which brand Thunderbolt to firewire adapter are you using when tethered to your IQ180?

    That sounds like a great combination. I love the current air, but have always wished it would go to 8GB, of course the new models do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    Bob, if I can ask.

    Which brand Thunderbolt to firewire adapter are you using when tethered to your IQ180?

    That sounds like a great combination. I love the current air, but have always wished it would go to 8GB, of course the new models do.

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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Hi Bob

    Interesting - but again, nobody knows about stability and as you sure know theses are 3 adapters in a row - 6 connection plugs and 3 different circuits that may fail. I would not like to bet my life on this in the field.

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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    Hi Bob

    Interesting - but again, nobody knows about stability and as you sure know theses are 3 adapters in a row - 6 connection plugs and 3 different circuits that may fail. I would not like to bet my life on this in the field.

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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Stefan,
    Whatever someone has today that works for their tethering won't stop working because a new laptop was released.

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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    So the new Apple Thunderbolt to Firewire adapter...

    Will this let me tether a P40+ to a Macbook Air?

    I already use a 800 to 400 adapter to tether it to my Macbook Pro.

    So I'd have to use 400 to 800 to Thunderbolt?

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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Quote Originally Posted by adamduckworth View Post
    So the new Apple Thunderbolt to Firewire adapter...

    Will this let me tether a P40+ to a Macbook Air?

    I already use a 800 to 400 adapter to tether it to my Macbook Pro.

    So I'd have to use 400 to 800 to Thunderbolt?
    I have used FW 400/800 cables with a 400 connector at one end and an 800 at the other so essentially the whole cable was the adapter to FW800.
    That is what I used for awhile when I was shooting with the P45+.
    Then you would plug that into the FW800 adapter of your choice
    I have ONLY tested this with an IQ180 and the Sonnet adapter so it may or may not work for your needs.
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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Stefan,

    What difference does all this make? Haven't you warned us several times that MF is dead or almost so?

    Just use your "MF" cell phone, and don't bother with a laptop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    Stefan,

    What difference does all this make? Haven't you warned us several times that MF is dead or almost so?

    Just use your "MF" cell phone, and don't bother with a laptop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I agree. A most amusing thread.

    Ah well, I'd better get in to my WWDC session now. Lots to do...

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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    I've ordered a fully pimped one, 2.7/16/512 (ok not FULLY pimped, I don't spring for the larger drive) and I think I might have buyer's remorse already - I want it for travel and I find my current (2009) MPB a bit too heavy. Should I have ordered a fully pimped 13" air I wonder? Will it handle D800 files quickly and smoothly? My current MBPro (only 4 gig RAM and a 500 gig spin drive) is slooooow. The new one is going to take over a month to arrive during which time I'm going to be driving from Seattle to Chicago on a photo jaunt. Should I cancel and get the air? Camera decisions are sooo much easier..

    Hmmm...
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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Short mental break here on serious deadline , book out the door by morning. ButI did go to the Apple store at 10 am this morning from return from airport. The screens really really nice . Colors looked great. None in stock but i was prepared to go full banana since that is what the store would carry which is the 728 gb hard drive which I don't need but 3799 model. Than I looked at the regularMacPro my unit only early 2011 of course they had in stock the same specs i wanted in Retina 2.7/8gb of ram and 1tB drive. Now the key factor here was in fact it is USB 3 same 2 ports. Which is what I was after anyway. I have a 2.3 unit so I will pick up some speed but not really what I was after i wanted USB 3 and it still has built in ethernet and firewire 800 and a Tbolt port like mine does. Quick check with OWC 16gb of ram for it 180 dollars. Nice price. I walked out with it and i will take my SSD drive put in main bay than take the optical bracket in mine put 1TB drive in it for backup travel and backup OS which I like having so no small external to carry around. Basically i saved with ram over 1k. Now if the powerhouse Retina was there on the spot, I may have bought it but bottom line I am almost always connected to a 30 inch monitor and when on road I rent a monitor , so it would not be often enough to make a big difference. Yes mine is heavier and bigger but Im no freaking mouse of a guy anyway. LOL

    Here is a case i went after the functionality of the box more than what I already have which maybe 20 percent slower not enough to buy for. I wanted a lock too which is important to me , if it buys me a extra minute sitting in a room than harder to steal. Ill be up on Monday to busy to play with it till than. okay back to the grind have fun. Go buy **** make the economy better. LOL
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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Just went into my local apple store to check out the new MBP

    My experience:

    The screen was nice, but not THAT amazing compared to my 15 inch MBP with the high res antiglare display. It seems to have that crispness that an iPad has about it, but again, it is not that groundbreaking.

    As for processing speed, ram, ports:

    I have a 2.66ghz i7 chip with 8gb of ram in my 2010 mbp.. so nothing to gain personally, nice to have and I know it handles phase one files with ease.

    It has less ports, despite them being faster, but how much of a difference will it make in actual usage? If you are going to copy over massive amounts of data you will be limited by the write speed of whatever the device is, thus making and future SSD backup devices quick to transfer to, as of now FW800 hard drives will work just as well (have a 3.5" SATA drive reader thats FW800, a Thunderbolt one of these may be great to have in the future)

    The computer is noticeably light, and thin compared to the older models.

    Final impression was that it's a great computer and you're looking for something new or need a laptop, it's a great choice. As a user that bought a maxed out machine in 2010, it is not that significantly better than mine (2.66 ghz i7, 8gb of ram, SSD boot and removed optical drive for 500GB HD) it isn't worth the upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerimar View Post

    I have a 2.66ghz i7 chip with 8gb of ram in my 2010 mbp.. so nothing to gain personally, nice to have and I know it handles phase one files with ease.
    I don't get this.

    Is it really the case that the processor in the new MBP isn't any faster than the one from 2 years ago?

    Really?

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    Keep in mind that there is no software to take advantage of that new display. You can't use the highest resolution available. It will take a while for companies to update their software (including Apple).

    The highest resolution available to the user is 1900x1200 (right now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    I don't get this.

    Is it really the case that the processor in the new MBP isn't any faster than the one from 2 years ago?

    Really?
    I think the mistake is the i7 in 2010 was a duo-core and now they are quad cores. So, yes it is faster. Quad core i7's made their way to the MBP in 2011.

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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    The Cache has increased also to 8MB and yes quad core is a big difference when raw processing especially in C1. Ram is faster now as well. A lot of this will depend on you the user if your shooting thousands of images and heavy on processing and photoshop than you really could use the horsepower. I need a portable workhorse as i will shoot 8k images in 3 days process everyone of them and use them for prints , web, on screen and all that. Most folks could get away with a macBook Air 13 inch and be happy as hell. Honestly most people don't need to be dumping thousands of dollars on a laptop as they just don't need it. Myself I also look outside the computer itself and all the things i can connect to it as well. T bolt for me has been awesome some will wonder whats the point. Just depends on needs. I wanted the Retina but logic said this was a better option right now. I guess the Retina will come to this also if your using that screen all the time than it makes more sense, if 20 percent of the time like me than maybe not worth it or at least the premium for it
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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post

    The highest resolution available to the user is 1900x1200 (right now).
    will it ever be "native" resolution? That's sort of the point of the retina display, enough resolution that everything looks sharp no matter which resolution you choose, unlike most displays which only look good at native resolution. That's been apples goal for some time, eliminating the need for a "native" resolution.

    At native resolution everything would be so small so your choice is to zoom in, enlarge stuff, or just choose a different resolution.
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    Tashley -

    The big issue (IMHO) on your MBP is the spin drive. I have a 2.66 I7 drive, 4 gb ram and SSD drive, and most of the time the machine is fast enough. The 100% views in C1 are a bit slow, that's really all. But my son's 13" MBP with a spin drive is like molasses. SSD helps a lot.

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    Thanks Geoff,

    Actually I just Geekbenched my Macbook Pro and it comes in at 3,853. My Mac Pro (2008 but with 16 gig ram) is around 10,000. The new Retinas are making 12,250 and the best config new 13" Air is around 7,000 so if I got one of those with 8 gig of RAM it'd have to be a lot faster than my current book and halfway to my main system. Not bad for something that weighs less than two iPads with covers on!

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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    I think these new macs are all splendid . . . but when I wanted something decently portable and decently fast I could see the writing on the wall - built in SSD and RAM means paying Apple prices, and as I expected, a new, fully loaded, 15" is the best part of £3000.

    I got a 2.5Ghz i7 17" with 4gb RAM and a 750Gb spin disk (£1700) . . . added 16gb RAM (168) and an SSD (from the old machine), and it really is quite acceptable - nearly 11,000 I guess. Sure, it doesn't have a Retina display, but it does have firewire, and I can update the SSD when bigger ones become available. it's not as light as two iPads, but even an old man like me can carry it around when I need serious power . . . . when I don't the ipad or the Air will be decent substitutes.

    Just for once my wallet is staying in my pocket (and I'm enjoying my non-reflective 17" screen!)

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    Last summer's travels for me were all done with a GH2 and and iPad and it was all gloriously light. But for this US trip it'll be a proper photo journey which means 2 d800s, five lenses and the right level of computing power. I guess the 13" air will hack it but I'm just too old in body to carry a 17 incher :-(
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    Last summer's travels for me were all done with a GH2 and and iPad and it was all gloriously light. But for this US trip it'll be a proper photo journey which means 2 d800s, five lenses and the right level of computing power. I guess the 13" air will hack it but I'm just too old in body to carry a 17 incher :-(
    I wouldn't dream of taking the 17" on a big trip (it was left firmly at home when we went to China). The 13" Air did a grand job with MM files - smaller than D800, but not that much!

    Still, you only have to leave one of those big Nikon lenses behind, and that's the difference in weight between a 13" air and a 17" MPB!

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    I think the mistake is the i7 in 2010 was a duo-core and now they are quad cores. So, yes it is faster. Quad core i7's made their way to the MBP in 2011.
    Didn't know mine was a dual core. I was told that it was quad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I wouldn't dream of taking the 17" on a big trip (it was left firmly at home when we went to China). The 13" Air did a grand job with MM files - smaller than D800, but not that much!

    Still, you only have to leave one of those big Nikon lenses behind, and that's the difference in weight between a 13" air and a 17" MPB!
    I wouldn't carry either a MBP 17" OR the larger Nikon lenses around on travel. I had an MBP 17" for about six months once upon a time and was traveling a lot—gave it to my boss in exchange for his 15". MUCH better.

    If they'd put the quad-core processor in the MBA 11", I'd buy one of those ... maybe. ;-)

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    Greetings from my first GetDpi post with my Macbook Pro Retina! I like the modular way that Mac is going. I've got a USB external DVD drive, ethernet adapter, etc., and I use them infrequently enough that I welcome removing them natively from the computer. This Macbook Pro Retina is a great combination of all of the things that I like about my Macbook Air and regular Macbook Pro. I got the 16GB of ram, since it isn't upgradeable, but I opted to only get the 2.3 Ghz and 256 GB internal, because I use little internal storage these days, and OWC will surely have replacement hard drives in the future, if necessary.

    I haven't had a chance to profile the screen yet, but it is gorgeous.

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    Got mine too. Works great with FCPX. Full 1080p is a window in the editor.

    If you max out the fast GPU it gets hot (my Mac Pro 2009 is left in the dust here).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerimar View Post
    Didn't know mine was a dual core. I was told that it was quad.
    They came as quad or dual core if I recall correctly.

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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Greetings from my first GetDpi post with my Macbook Pro Retina! I like the modular way that Mac is going. I've got a USB external DVD drive, ethernet adapter, etc., and I use them infrequently enough that I welcome removing them natively from the computer. This Macbook Pro Retina is a great combination of all of the things that I like about my Macbook Air and regular Macbook Pro. I got the 16GB of ram, since it isn't upgradeable, but I opted to only get the 2.3 Ghz and 256 GB internal, because I use little internal storage these days, and OWC will surely have replacement hard drives in the future, if necessary.

    I haven't had a chance to profile the screen yet, but it is gorgeous.
    Base CPU speed is fully adequate. The 2.3 GHz is probably the i7-3600 series, which has 6MB cache and lacks support for VT-D virtualized I/O and vPro management. None of those should matter for OSX, I think. Stepping up to a higher speed CPU is costly and only gives you a few percent in performance.

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    Re: new macbook pro retina display... no firewire !

    mbp has usb 3 as well as thunderbolt, i have no problems using the adapter cable to firewire to my phase one

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