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    New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

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    New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X
    Citing a "100 percent reliable" source, a new report alleges that Apple has fully working prototypes of 13-inch and 15-inch touchscreen tablets, with one model running Mac OS X.

    The rumor reported Friday by Gizmodo states that the two new devices could be in addition to the long-rumored 10-inch device believed to be coming in early 2010.

    "This source claims that the two touchscreen prototypes -- made of aluminum, but on the shape of big iPhones -- were in a factory in Shenzuen, China," the report states. "One of them 'was running Mac OS X 10.5.' When I asked, the source didn't know if these were built for demonstration purposes, or if they were preproduction units. The company has a tight relation with Apple but 'it's not FoxConn.'"

    Writer Jesus Diaz goes on to call the rumor "surprising," given that most sources, including AppleInsider's own, have stated that the only forthcoming hardware has a 10-inch screen. The report speculates that perhaps Apple is exploring other form factors as internal prototypes, whether or not they will become final products released to market.

    Given a report earlier this month that Apple investigated screen sizes of 4, 7, 9, 10 and 12 inches, these reports, if true, suggest that Apple has explored touchscreen devices at nearly every possible screen sizes. In the earlier report from a financial analyst, it was stated that Apple purchased large numbers of some screen sizes, suggesting they could have been for more than prototypes, but a more significant small production run.

    As for the latest rumor, AppleInsider sources have been adamant that the 3G connected device due to arrive in early 2010 would come only with a 10-inch form factor.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    I like that Apple is doing this product, and think it's cool that they're possibly exploring different sizes and OS's. That said, I'm not not too hopeful that the tablet, especially the 10", will have the I/O options that would be best for us – Firewire. USB is a likely possibility (or mini-USB, ugh), but that often sucks for tethered shooting. An express socket would be helpful though. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be cool to have the right interface and a real OS.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Just think shooting tethered to a 10 inch tablet in the field. Could be pretty cool but yes we need firewire
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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    I would think they have to be looking at larger sizes. A major future market for Tablet computers is in the medical field. There are some teaching hospitals out there now testing out WiFi linked tablets for use by doctors and nurse to do data capture directly in the patient's room. For a doctor it allows him to show imaging right at the bedside. I can see bluetooth devices to record temperate, heart beat, blood pressure directly to a tablet and the patients medical records.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    This sounds like good news. I currently use an Acer netbook for travel, and Windows really sucks compared to my old Mac.

    I'm not too worried about Firewire anymore. WiFi is much more functional if the speed is high enough (which is one of the reasons why I consider the Canon 7D, with WiFi in a vertical grip "Look, no cables!").

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    Jorgen, pop an eyefi into any SD slot and there you go!

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    If they actually do make that 15-inch tablet, I hope it comes with screw-on legs so you can use it as a coffee table. Otherwise, it seems as if it'd be a bit awkward: you'd have to hold onto it with one hand and one-finger all the controls with the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I'm not too worried about Firewire anymore. WiFi is much more functional if the speed is high enough (which is one of the reasons why I consider the Canon 7D, with WiFi in a vertical grip "Look, no cables!").
    If my experience with the Nikon WT-4 is any indication, the speed is still a bit of an issue. The same 12-mpx raw file that takes about 2.5 sec to transmit via wire takes about 11 sec. to transmit via WiFi. That means that if you shoot a burst of five frames, it will take almost a minute for the last one to appear on the laptop -- which feels like eternity when you've got a client staring at the screen saying, "Where are the pictures?"

    (Oh, well, could be worse: PDN says the EyeFi Pro card -- the only EyeFi that will handle raw files -- takes two to ten minutes to send a file!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    (Oh, well, could be worse: PDN says the EyeFi Pro card -- the only EyeFi that will handle raw files -- takes two to ten minutes to send a file!)
    Holy cats! That is s-l-o-w...

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    If they actually do make that 15-inch tablet, I hope it comes with screw-on legs so you can use it as a coffee table. Otherwise, it seems as if it'd be a bit awkward: you'd have to hold onto it with one hand and one-finger all the controls with the other.
    Not the case, before I retired from the university IR group, I tested a large tablet (screen was the size of a letter size sheet of paper) for how tables could be used in the university environment. They use handwriting recognition, and a stylus interface so it's not like using a conventional laptop. I found it not awkward at all to use. Just think of using photoshop with a tablet.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
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    My credit card is still safe (unless I misplaced my wallet... nope. ). There's no way a large sturdy tablet will be priced below a corresponding MBP. There are some niche markets that decidedly prefer no keyboard, but for the rest of us a 15" tablet is a complement to other hardware rather than a replacement.

    (Tethered shooting might just be such a niche though. Outdoor screen will be a must, as well as battery life, and color fidelity. That's more than a bit tricky to accomplish in a lightweight device.)

    10"? Maybe. Still a complement to a laptop with keyboard, so it's got to be dirt cheap. Hardly sounds like an Apple product in that case.

    A 5" device more like the Archos would be interesting though (think oversized iPod Touch). But then it would have to be a phone rather than a complement to a phone.

    MID class devices have been tried for the last year (like Intel's Moblin effort) but they land in between a must-have laptop with keyboard and a pocketable phone. At work we're helping Intel with the development platform for Moblin so we have a few different MID devices (5" screen, no keyboard or slideout keyboard). Sure they're cute when you don't want to haul a laptop around but they don't yet replace any device like laptop or phone, and they're still priced above netbooks so as a fashion accessory it's a hard sell (unlike phones).

    Tablets is a tricky market, Apple learnt its lesson with the Newton and is treading lightly in that field. I think it's a matter of waiting for technology/miniaturization/battery tech to progress far enough.
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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    This is all so reminiscent to the long ago discussions about "box" sizes. Basically, the prevailing thoughts were that there are three preferred "boxes" that folks tend to want and use. Roughly, the largest is the desktop computer. The smallest is the mobile phone. The in-between size is the laptop. Folks are prepared to blur the lines between sizes, but the issue forces trade-offs in functionality, viewing, ability to hold and manipulate, etc. With the advent of faster processors, cheaper memory, touch screens, handwriting recognizing software, etc., the line between the smallest and mid-sized box keeps getting blurred more and more. That being said, it still seems to remain. The thought was that folks could live and work comfortably with two boxes, laptop and phone, but nobody has really been able to create that one box solution effectively for a large enough and broad enough market to accept. Therein lies part of the problem....while tablets and stuff could be more customized to work in somewhat more limited or restricted settings, and they are doing that now, it is much harder to make something with capabilities and appeal for a larger market to make it profitable on the larger scale. Not saying it will not be done, but my bet is folks will still prefer to have at least two box sizes....a small, powerful and highly functional phone that is easy to carry and use everywhere all the time, and a second box size where a different kind of work or application is done. The tablet, to me, is just a modified extension of the laptop, but generally much more limited. The smaller it gets, the less practical its functionality for viewing, writing, etc. The larger it gets, the more cumbersome it becomes for wider spread use....except in some specific environments, hence the narrower market due to fine-tuning for more specific needs.

    Everything else, like 4"-6" mini-tablets and such are probably going to remain as peripheral products that would somehow attach or connect to larger or smaller "boxes" for more complete functionality.

    Sorry if that interrupts the thinking and rumors. Not saying we will never see other devices, but just hard to imagine them ever becoming mainstream enough for a larger market. That mid-sized box is the toughest to hit the sweetspot. The smallest box (phone) is easy....smaller is preferred. The largest (desktop) is also relatively easy, since it remains anchored for the most part. It is the mid-sized box that has the broadest set of demands, thus making it the hardest to make for the most appeal and use, regardless of price/cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LJL View Post

    Roughly, the largest is the desktop computer. The smallest is the mobile phone. The in-between size is the laptop.
    And the netbook ?

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxide Blu View Post
    And the netbook ?
    If you look at the trend in netbook models over the last two years, screen sizes are going up, to 10, 11, even 12 inches - approaching the form factor of a small laptop. At 7 inches the screen was too small with too few pixels, and there was not enough room for a decent keyboard.

    What keeps "netbooks" from growing past 10 inches is really the limits imposed by Intel for a laptop using Atom CPU. Intel is worried about the remarkably efficient Atom cannibalizing on Core series sales. Somehow some netbook manufacturers are finding ways around Intel's artifical rules.

    I've set up a file server at home using the dualcore Atom 330 (which Intel won't let you put in a laptop), and it's quite competent while running very cool.
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    Lars mentions that other side of the equation....the manufacturers and hints at what they can gain or lose in the battle.

    Oxice Blu.....to your point, as I commented above: "It is the mid-sized box that has the broadest set of demands, thus making it the hardest to make for the most appeal and use, regardless of price/cost." To my thinking, the netbook is in this realm. The smaller they make it, the less functional and underpowered it becomes. The larger they make it, the more "lattop-like" it becomes, and that niche already has many good choices. Bacically, the netbook is one of those devices that is attempting to erase that now blurry, but maybe real line, between the mid-size and smallest sized "boxes" in my vernacular.

    While there may be a niche by definition, it may never really be filled by something that works and thrives. My analogy here is a "grass-eating snake". Why do they not exist? Lots of grass. Snakes live in grassy areas. Just not a niche that is filled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    If my experience with the Nikon WT-4 is any indication, the speed is still a bit of an issue. The same 12-mpx raw file that takes about 2.5 sec to transmit via wire takes about 11 sec. to transmit via WiFi. That means that if you shoot a burst of five frames, it will take almost a minute for the last one to appear on the laptop -- which feels like eternity when you've got a client staring at the screen saying, "Where are the pictures?"

    (Oh, well, could be worse: PDN says the EyeFi Pro card -- the only EyeFi that will handle raw files -- takes two to ten minutes to send a file!)
    The Canon seems to use the same 802.11b/g protocol, so the speed (or the slowness) might be the same. Haven't found any data for the Canon yet, but the Nikon is 10Mbps, which corresponds to around 14MB in 11 seconds. Sounds about right.

    Shouldn't work too badly in a studio setting though, considering flash recycling times. I'm not going to do the 100m final in the Olympics anyway...

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    I don't understand why they aren't using 802.11n. Much faster than the old 802.11b/g. It will be a full IEEE standard in October and some vendors have had draft versions out for the last few years.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    If you look at the trend in netbook models over the last two years, screen sizes are going up, to 10, 11, even 12 inches - approaching the form factor of a small laptop. At 7 inches the screen was too small with too few pixels, and there was not enough room for a decent keyboard.

    What keeps "netbooks" from growing past 10 inches is really the limits imposed by Intel for a laptop using Atom CPU. Intel is worried about the remarkably efficient Atom cannibalizing on Core series sales. Somehow some netbook manufacturers are finding ways around Intel's artifical rules.

    I've set up a file server at home using the dualcore Atom 330 (which Intel won't let you put in a laptop), and it's quite competent while running very cool.
    An important consideration for photographers, is that ACR won't run properly below a certain screen size (number of pixels, but that is limited on some netbooks). I run ACR/PS on my Acer sometimes, but ACR is rather dysfunctional, since I can't see the whole user interface. There's no scroll bar, but I can move it up and down with the mouse-wheel and arrow keys.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post

    If you look at the trend in netbook models over the last two years, screen sizes are going up, to 10, 11, even 12 inches - approaching the form factor of a small laptop.
    I am not familiar with netbook trends -- didn't even know the little critters existed until the last few months or so, 'Brains' wants one, been looking into getting her one. I noticed there seems to be an invisible 10-in screen-size barrier for netbooks, perhaps for the reason you mentioned. At or over 10-inches I automatically start comparing the machine to other laptops.

    I agree, a 7-in screen doesn't allow enough room for a reasonable sized keyboard. 'Brains' wants something to surf the web, email, and watch DVDs on. Fwiw, the smaller screen netbooks don't have enough room for a DVD player, either.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Tablet PC's are different from netbooks and have either a DVD or snap on unit.

    Check out the Fujitsu LifeBook T5010 Tablet PCs

    Other popular tablet PC's

    Netbooks lack the digitizer and touch screen that is key to the Tablet PC concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post

    Netbooks lack the digitizer and touch screen that is key to the Tablet PC concept.
    Don't know about the digitizer, but the touch screen is supposedly very much a part of Apple's new (unreleased) netbook; a virtual grown-up iPhone.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    If apple came out with a 10" to 12" tablet, with a screen that acts like an itouch, wireless, can run os X, have usb, fire wire and/or eSata, and comes with an SD and Compact Flash slot, I would be all over it. So would a lot of other people.

    I love my iTouch, but wish it was bigger. The keyboard is not issue, just have a plug in for one (usb slot or wireless). Sometimes you might want the keyboard, other times you just use the screen as a keyboard like the iTouch.

    Being able to shoot tethered to it would just rock, especially at the 10" to 12" size. Man this would be so cool.

    I think about the iTouch screen and just imagine all of the applications for it. Coming from architecture, I see big screens the size of a drafting table with an iTouch screen. Where you interact with your fingers. Or can just use it as a drafting table too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bavanor View Post

    If apple came out with a 10" to 12" tablet, with ... fire wire ...


    Maybe wrong but I think I remember something about Apple abandoning Firewire, e.g. Firewire is now a legacy technology, replaced by USB2.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Hey Oxide Blue,

    That's why I said and/or, because I think you are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    A major future market for Tablet computers is in the medical field. There are some teaching hospitals out there now testing out WiFi linked tablets for use by doctors and nurse to do data capture directly in the patient's room. For a doctor it allows him to show imaging right at the bedside. I can see bluetooth devices to record temperate, heart beat, blood pressure directly to a tablet and the patients medical records.
    I think you may be on to something here...

    Seems like Apple has had a medical app demo in most of the recent press events. They need one or more killer apps to give it a reason for living. (I doubt I'm alone in feeling that with an iPhone and MacBook Pro I've pretty well got things covered.) Add to that, retail checkout. Ever notice how the wandering cashiers at the Apple store are using Windows Mobile devices? That's got to be a burr under Steve's saddle.

    Still have a hard time seeing why I would want yet another mobile device, but John's got me thinking it could be marketed more for medical/business/inventory uses. Retail consumer sales might just be icing on the cake. Or candy on the Apple. [Sorry]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thawley View Post

    John's got me thinking it could be marketed more for medical/business/inventory uses.

    I was thinking that, too, when congress invoked that medical privacy legislation a couple of years ago, and the current admin started humping socialized medicine. Wasn't had to put the two together -- everything medical is going digital, like it or not. There is going to be a huge market for small, hand-held, wi-fi computing devices. Having a tablet ain't gonna hurt the application, either.

    On the backside, me thinks whomever comes out on top with med record management software (that meets the fed requirements) will get to dictate the initial hardware platforms most used in medical offices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxide Blu View Post
    On the backside, me thinks whomever comes out on top with med record management software (that meets the fed requirements) will get to dictate the initial hardware platforms most used in medical offices.
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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Quick update on this "rumor" ....

    January 4th, 2010

    Apple is planning to announce its long-rumored tablet in January, but will not be releasing it until March, according to The Wall Street Journal. Citing sources who claim to have been briefed on the device by Apple, the newspaper reported that it will be priced at $1,000, come with a 10 - to - 11 inch screen, and that the price might include a nationwide WiFi subscription.

    http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/artic...ncluding_wifi/


    I have to wonder about the Wall Street Journal when it is reporting a "10 to 11 inch screen". Does that mean a 10-1/2 inch screen, or that Apple hasn't finalized the product?

    The idea of including a subscription is kind of cool, kind of not. I expect a laptop (includes tablets, notebooks, netbooks, etc) to be a 4-year product. Unless that $1k price tag includes a 4-year subscription, it is a tad bit over the top. Make that a lot over the top. And what good is a "nationwide" wifi subscription to someone not in "the nation"?!?

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Yeah $1K for a complement to a laptop or a phone makes it a difficult purchase proposition. I'm sure the competition will be down to $200-$500 within months - there's a lot of these in the works, and OSX will likely be less of a selling point on such a device than on a laptop/desktop.

    Undoubtedly 2010 will be the year of the tablet though.
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    Well, there are always lots of rumors about Apple products, and most of them are not correct, or accurate. Not saying that there will not be a tablet from Apple, but features, size, capabilities, and stuff like that are probably still under wraps. Apple has been pretty good on this front. Even the rumors about the MacBook Air, were not even close to the final product specs. And did anybody really get the iPhone specs right...most were not even close. Just a way of saying to take all of this with a grain or two of salt ;-) I do think they will come out with something surprising, but how it will fit into the use category, and the pricing.....well, will wait to see when it comes.

    Although others may come out with any similar offerings shortly afterward, and at lower prices.....could easily happen, but few of those sorts of attempts on the PC front have ever really worked out. Look how long it has taken folks to try to copy or better the iPhone.....lot more than a few months, and most are still not getting there. If Apple does drop a tablet into the market soon, as many expect, it will probably have some surprises....enough to capture a fair number of folks' attention, and I do think the OS plays an important role in the overall success of a lot of Apple products.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    I'm always somewhat mystified by the amount of speculation and advance criticism new products seem to engender. Regardless of whether it's a camera, a gadget, or a car, there seems to be no end of advance critique frothing around in various internet fora. Sometimes it can get pretty heated, with strong opinions being displayed and then defended surrounding a "thing" that doesn't even exist yet.

    As for the tablet, it reminds me of a scene from the movie "Avatar" that shows a lab geek in a white coat walking around the futuristic lab with a flat screen the size of a record album. It looked wicked cool. And whatever else you might think about Apple, you'd have to admit they have cool wayyy down.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    Yeah $1K for a complement to a laptop or a phone makes it a difficult purchase proposition. I'm sure the competition will be down to $200-$500 within months - there's a lot of these in the works, and OSX will likely be less of a selling point on such a device than on a laptop/desktop.

    Undoubtedly 2010 will be the year of the tablet though.
    Except for photography, I can't think of any application that I use on my laptop when traveling that isn't covered on my iPhone.

    For me, if it is a device with not only built in Wifi but also 3G connectivity that functions like an iPhone, I would be very very happy.

    If I could get media like magazines with great graphics (think zinio not kindle) it would be amazing for me.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    What's interesting to me is all the anticipation surrounding a product that has been out for years. Tablets are nothing new, although I can't recall ever seeing one in actual use (on an airplane, in a coffee shop, etc.) The fact there is so much anticipation about 'this' tablet is actually a reflection on the lack of vision and innovation at other companies.

    The question for me is, what will it do that my MacBook Pro can't?

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post

    Undoubtedly 2010 will be the year of the tablet though.
    HI Lars - I think I've heard that every year since 2000, but like Monza, I've never seen one in use, anywhere, whether it be in offices or airports or cafes.

    Still, I'll be tempted by an apple one if you can run Aperture 3 (x or whatever) together with normal OS apps and iphone apps.

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    no insider knowledge.... but wouldn't expect any speculated new Apple device to do heavy duty apps like Aperture or lightroom.....their best laptops barely cope :-)

    I am betting on a more communication/browsing/viewing type gadget...consumption not creation.... think books and magazines without squinting... Think of a manual or a tutorial that you can access while using the program full screen on your laptop or desktop....size wise think of a slim Penguin paperback....fits in a coat pocket or a purse



    just a thought... i could be completely off

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    Well, there are always lots of rumors about Apple products, and most of them are not correct, or accurate. Not saying that there will not be a tablet from Apple, but features, size, capabilities, and stuff like that are probably still under wraps. Apple has been pretty good on this front. Even the rumors about the MacBook Air, were not even close to the final product specs. ...
    Last year Apple bought a company (forget the name) for its technology. The CEO of that company had said that Apple would be releasing a 10-in tablet with cellphone/wifi bundled with a plan for $1k, first Q 2010. That exactly matches what the Wall Street Journal is now publishing. I just think it is weird the WSJ is the source of announcing the specs of a new Apple product.

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    Last year Apple bought a company (forget the name) for its technology. The CEO of that company had said that Apple would be releasing a 10-in tablet with cellphone/wifi bundled with a plan for $1k, first Q 2010. That exactly matches what the Wall Street Journal is now publishing. I just think it is weird the WSJ is the source of announcing the specs of a new Apple product.
    That all may be very plausible and real, but as I said, I will wait to see just what may come out at this point. Apple has bought a number of companies over time, and not everything always becomes a hot new product. It also seems a bit of stretch that some former CEO of a purchased company is going to break Apple's code of silence on things like this, especially if he is now working for Apple, and if not, he may never know what the final specs are until the come out, much like the rest of us. I do think that Apple could rock the market with something, and we shall soon know.....maybe.

    What I find odd about the "details" of the story (WSJ and the former CEO), is how specific they are. Heck when the iPhone was going to be rolled out, which admittedly was a really, really rumored and anticipated device, AT&T nor Apple spilled info until maybe a few days before rollout. Nobody really knew what the plans and services would be until unveiled. Folks also did not really know the prices or that there were multiple devices and plan options. So, while the rumor could be a possible option, Apple has been good about testing the waters with these sorts of "leaks" to throw off rumors and speculations. Again, not saying it could not be real or will not happen, but until it is announced, shown, and details are put out, it is all wild and somewhat wishful rumors.

    Like others have mentioned, there are some interesting hurdles to overcome with respect to power, size, utility, connectivity, etc., that could present a lot of options. A 10" tablet with touchscreen, WiFi, 3G, etc., may be one option....or not. Sounds pretty good and maybe tempting for some, but I will still wait to see if there is something and just what it may be able to do before getting too worked up and excited over this yet. Tablets may be the "next thing", but like others, that sure are not a lot of them in more widespread use from anybody else right now, even though they have been around for some time. Only thing sort of commonly close right now is the brown brick the UPS guys carry, and that is a decade old tech at least. Sleek, svelt, sexy it ain't, so the bar is not too high right now for something somewhat different and attractive for the masses. Just my opinion.

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    In a word scale

    I think we are at a point where Apple is getting too big to maintain the cone of silence. When you start buying up massive quantities of memory, ordering glass for millions of screens, have to get approvals from the FCC etc. it is harder to keeps these things secret like they used to.

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    I still think that a 10" tablet is a form factor that falls between the cracks, as we discussed earlier in this thread. As Jono points out, you never see anyone in the general population using tablets. Between a phone and a small laptop, it's a third device to carry around that doesn't replace neither phone nor laptop. Given today's usage patterns, of course.

    If we look at Apple, it's a company that primarily markets high-margin products in the premium segment, the other leg is music sales. I'd expect Apple to either enter/create a high-margin tablet segment, or market devices for recurring media/software sales: movies and games.

    Personally I don't think a keyboardless mini-macbook will be received well (the market won't be willing to pay Apple's asking price). A jumbo-iphone is a more likely possibility, but then it needs apps that make sense in that form factor. And without subsidies from phone companies the asking price will be high enough to scare off most iphone buyers (remember that the actual price of an iphone is in the $700-900 range). Another strategy could be to establish a distribution platform for itunes movies, which could motivate Apple to keep the price down. But movies is a harder sell than music, I don't think that will work as well.

    Re gaming consoles, it's a well-established market with a too low price point for Apple to go after with a generic OSX device.

    Then there's the competition, hardware as well as software. All major phone makers are eyeballing this market segment, and on the OS side there's Android, Chrome OS on one end and Windows 7 on the other end. On the Linux side Nokia's Maemo initiative also looks interesting.

    Microsoft should have an edge here, with several generations of Windows supporting touch, as well as the Surface project. Whether that will actually mean a significant user base when/if the tablet market takes off remains to be seen, MS has had its problems in the past turning technical advantage into market share.

    Sure, Apple will always sell devices to fanboys, but it will be difficult for Apple to justify premium pricing which makes the market segment less attractive for Apple.

    Jono - when I say 2010 will be the year of the tablet, I mean that we'll finally see devices that are good as well as affordable. That doesn't mean people will buy, so we might still not see anyone using them.
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    Lars,
    What do all those people using netbooks do with them? Email, web, movies (when traveling). Give it a faster interface, better screen, better interface, great access to content through apps and I think you make a lot of people happy.

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    I use a netbook when travelling, and I hate the thing. If Apple can give me a 10-12" tablet that runs OS X (and Photoshop/ACR), I wouldn't hesitate to change. 100-200 GB of memory/disk, a couple of USB contacts, a slot for SD-cards and a wireless mouse is what I require. 4GB of RAM would be sufficient.

    I'm sure Apple will offer all of that, and then some, including lots of kewl features that I may or may not use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I use a netbook when travelling, and I hate the thing. If Apple can give me a 10-12" tablet that runs OS X (and Photoshop/ACR), I wouldn't hesitate to change. 100-200 GB of memory/disk, a couple of USB contacts, a slot for SD-cards and a wireless mouse is what I require. 4GB of RAM would be sufficient.

    I'm sure Apple will offer all of that, and then some, including lots of kewl features that I may or may not use.
    Somehow I think you will be disappointed or I will be very very pleasantly surprised or even ecstatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Lars,
    What do all those people using netbooks do with them? Email, web, movies (when traveling). Give it a faster interface, better screen, better interface, great access to content through apps and I think you make a lot of people happy.
    Sure, but it won't have a fruit logo and it won't cost $1K. More likely $200 and some form of Linux. There's a good reason Apple has stayed away from the netbook market.
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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I use a netbook when travelling, and I hate the thing. If Apple can give me a 10-12" tablet that runs OS X (and Photoshop/ACR), I wouldn't hesitate to change. 100-200 GB of memory/disk, a couple of USB contacts, a slot for SD-cards and a wireless mouse is what I require. 4GB of RAM would be sufficient.

    I'm sure Apple will offer all of that, and then some, including lots of kewl features that I may or may not use.
    My new small laptop Samsung X120 has essentially those specs, minus touchscreen plus keyboard. C2D SU7300, 4GB/320GB, Win7 x64, 9 real-life hours battery life, 1.56 kgs. Price here was about EUR 600 plus tax. An Apple device is usually 20-40% more expensive, so $1000 seems like right on the money for an Apple tablet with decent specs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    Sure, but it won't have a fruit logo and it won't cost $1K. More likely $200 and some form of Linux. There's a good reason Apple has stayed away from the netbook market.
    HI Lars
    That is the reason I understood . . so one can only assume that in changing their mind they're bringing something to the table.

    Still, your arguments against them are the same ones which were used against the iphone before it's launch, basically:

    too late to the party
    too expensive
    others more experienced.
    the wheel already exists.

    From a personal point of view, nowadays, my life revolves around a 17"mbp and an iphone, my desktop machine has been used to replace the television set.

    Something with a 10"screen, decent touch screen keyboard which would do all my email and music, and which would run photo apps at a pinch would be very attractive for travelling and casual use around the house.
    But I'm really not interested in a netbook, even if it's running linux - linking it to my existing system requires time and fiddling which I'm not remotely interested in.
    Nowadays there is a really large number of mac and iphone users who would like something in between which works in the same kind of a way - these people represent a big starting market, and aren't likely to be looking at any kind of a netbook as a competitive object.

    P.S. the samsung X120 is nice - but likely to be twice the weight of the apple device (although probably faster).

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Lars
    That is the reason I understood . . so one can only assume that in changing their mind they're bringing something to the table.

    Still, your arguments against them are the same ones which were used against the iphone before it's launch, basically:

    too late to the party
    too expensive
    others more experienced.
    the wheel already exists.

    From a personal point of view, nowadays, my life revolves around a 17"mbp and an iphone, my desktop machine has been used to replace the television set.

    Something with a 10"screen, decent touch screen keyboard which would do all my email and music, and which would run photo apps at a pinch would be very attractive for travelling and casual use around the house.
    But I'm really not interested in a netbook, even if it's running linux - linking it to my existing system requires time and fiddling which I'm not remotely interested in.
    Nowadays there is a really large number of mac and iphone users who would like something in between which works in the same kind of a way - these people represent a big starting market, and aren't likely to be looking at any kind of a netbook as a competitive object.

    P.S. the samsung X120 is nice - but likely to be twice the weight of the apple device (although probably faster).
    Hi Jono,
    Yep Apple's success in the phone market took lots of people by surprise. But that doesn't mean Apple will always pull a rabbit out of their hat. The argument here really is whether anyone including Apple can make tablets become mainstream devices.

    I've spent the last year with a mobile software startup here in Stockholm, and across the hall is another startup doing battery research. They both emphasize the reason Moore's law is not working in the mobile segment - more performance means bigger battery. This will affect a tablet as well - if you want to run OSX with multitasking and a few gigs of memory, with decent battery life, then you'll need a heavy battery. A light device requires lightweight apps or a lean processor, so Aperture or any kind of image processing is probably out of the question.
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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    Sounds like HP is out first this year, with Ballmer showing an HP slate at CES in Vegas later tonight.
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    Tablet PCs have never been mainstream but they've been well-received in some vertical markets (healthcare for one.) We are now in year 9 of the tablet PC, the first ones shipping in 2002 using primitive 10" screens with poor viewing angles.

    The first multitouch tablet PC (the Dell Latitude XT convertible) did not ship until January of 2008. And it wasn't really multi-touch, not like one thinks of multi-touch ala iPhone...not when it shipped, anyway. They had a firmware update a few months later that brought more multi-touch functionality but it was limited by the OS.

    Unlike virtually all other tablet PCs that OEM'd the Wacom pen digitizer, it used the Ntrig digitizer which works with both pen and touch. HP followed with an Ntrig-based model in late 2008.

    I worked with Ntrig for a couple of years while they were bringing their device to market, and owned a Latitude XT for about 15 months which was used for product development. Not being a Windows guy, I had no use for it in the general sense. At the time it required Windows XP Tablet Edition; Windows 7 has much more complete tablet integration.

    I'm intrigued (no pun intended) as to what *besides* a tablet will Apple bring to the equation. If it's just Mac OS on a slate, that doesn't exite me...I've already had one of those when I was working with Ntrig.

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    Re: New Apple tablet rumor: Larger form factor running Mac OS X

    I want an A4 ish sized tablet with touch screen which does everything my Iphone does and runs full OSX -basically a laptop without the keyboard. It must be able to have at least 4 gigs of ram and a couple of SSD disks for fast access to a few essential programs. Running Bootcamp or Fusion would also allow me to connect to my offices in Australia and HK and use Office programs as well as Bloomberg as I travel planes etc etc - happy to have a laptop sized battery in it since there is no alternative for smaller whilst maintaining fucntionality.

    Every one of my research analysts wants somethinhg like this. Phone/Puter in a form factor large enough to type into and also large enough to display stuff - without the silly keyboard and finger mouse - which every person in the real world just hates. the killer apps for business are already written - boring as they are - excel/powerpoint/word and access to servers for email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post

    ... the reason Moore's law is not working in the mobile segment - more performance means bigger battery. This will affect a tablet as well - if you want to run OSX with multitasking and a few gigs of memory, with decent battery life, then you'll need a heavy battery. A light device requires lightweight apps or a lean processor, so Aperture or any kind of image processing is probably out of the question.

    I just read that Lenovo is getting 9-hrs on the battery in their 12-inch touch screen tablet. The suggestion was because touch screen uses less juice than a keyboard. Don't know anything about it beyond that.

    Today Microsoft pumped the new "all in one" touch screen table from Lenovo. Haven't seen the specs yet, but from what I read it runs a full blown Win 7 os. There was also something about it being not much larger than a mobile phone -- no mention of battery life. No idea of the value of a dinky little computer for image processing, I'm not seeing the value there -- but perhaps a sign of things to come.

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