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    There is actually "only" a tech note about the new optional CS5 plugins...

    http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/828/cpsid_82824.html

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Interesting that disable scratch compression is still a working plugin. Guess I'll move it over!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    The hard fact for me is I only use one plug-in regularly --- DFine for noise reduction --- and even at that, I only use it on occasion. So for now, I simply launch CS4 when I have an image that needs it. I can wait until NIK get's their code up to speed or the rest. I like running CS5 in 64 bit.
    In your case I would too. You have a more modern machine, larger files and more memory. I run many applications at the same time and don't want other applications to grab too much memory. For me it works.
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    I am running 8gb of ram on a MacBook Pro, how much should I allocate to Photoshop CS5 for maximum performance. I do not need to run other programs when I'm in Photoshop.
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Ramos View Post
    I am running 8gb of ram on a MacBook Pro, how much should I allocate to Photoshop CS5 for maximum performance. I do not need to run other programs when I'm in Photoshop.
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    Has anyone uninstalled CS4 from there machine after loading CS5. Results, Issues?
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    No patience . I removed CS4 no ill effects yet
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Here's an example of the power of the content-aware fill. The original shot, and the final, produced as a gift for the guys. Notice the cables that run through the guy's hat and arm. Eliminating them required two selections with the lasso tool. Select the area freehand, call up content aware fill and bingo. One selection and fill for each area and done. Could it have been done with the clone tool? Probably. But I'm not sure I would have even attempted it given how squeefy that tool can be. So to some extent, that upgrade alone was worth the price of the upgrade (for me).

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Have yet to try this tool.
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    Here's an example of the power of the content-aware fill. The original shot, and the final, produced as a gift for the guys. Notice the cables that run through the guy's hat and arm. Eliminating them required two selections with the lasso tool. Select the area freehand, call up content aware fill and bingo. One selection and fill for each area and done. Could it have been done with the clone tool? Probably. But I'm not sure I would have even attempted it given how squeefy that tool can be. So to some extent, that upgrade alone was worth the price of the upgrade (for me).

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    That alone is worth the $200

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    That alone is worth the $200

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    looks like the arm cables were cropped and I'd like to know how PS figured there was a crease in the top of his hat. looks like some branches between their heads are different?

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    It's true I cropped a lot off the right side, but there was cables still showed in the upper, right corner. They formed a sort of triangle that came down to the top of the elbow and into the frame about a quarter of an inch.

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    Some people don't know the value of a dollar.
    Let's remember your dollar means something completely something different to someones else's dollar. They have different serial numbers that are just like people all different.
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    Different serial numbers? All of the $100 bills in my county are all the same! And they all say Epson on the back in tiny letters....

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    Has anyone uninstalled CS4 from there machine after loading CS5. Results, Issues?
    Sorry for the late reply...CS4 uninstalled after I saved all brushes actions and moved plugins.

    Still awaiting a TWAIN that will work inside CS5. Mainly for scanning and saving documents...not photo related at all.

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    Hmmmm... I am wondering what to do. I have one master collection that I share with someone and I have another license to install CS4 extended on 2 machines (2 laptops).

    What shall I upgrade too? I don't need the suite to go to CS5 but I do need PS to go there.

    I cannot upgrade the photoshop version of the suite to PS CS5 alone but need to upgrade it to at least another suite. I do need PS CS5 on the big MacPro that also carries the suite. To sacrifice another PS CS4 license on that machine seems ridiculous to me but I think it eventually boils down to that

    I think it is kind of ridiculous you cannot upgrade components of a suite separately.

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    Here's an example of the power of the content-aware fill. The original shot, and the final, produced as a gift for the guys. Notice the cables that run through the guy's hat and arm. Eliminating them required two selections with the lasso tool. Select the area freehand, call up content aware fill and bingo. One selection and fill for each area and done. Could it have been done with the clone tool? Probably. But I'm not sure I would have even attempted it given how squeefy that tool can be. So to some extent, that upgrade alone was worth the price of the upgrade (for me).

    Tim
    I've tried a few fairly simple things with the new tool and I can't seem to get it right. I followed the short video, and the results look bad ... color shift and residual image ... wonder what I'm doing wrong? As I am using it, it seems useless.

    -Marc

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    That alone is worth the $200

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    Absolutely agree Robert! Also note the fact that CS5 can use up to 64 Gigs of your memory is a significant performance plus --- combine these two features alone, and it's easily worth $200 for me. And that's $200 for probably 2 years of performance boost until CS6 comes out
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I've tried a few fairly simple things with the new tool and I can't seem to get it right. I followed the short video, and the results look bad ... color shift and residual image ... wonder what I'm doing wrong? As I am using it, it seems useless.

    -Marc
    Marc, are you using it on a layered file, or the base layer before other adjustments? You want to use content-aware fill like when cloning dust or spot healing --- meaning the first steps on the base file before you start tweaking color, saturation, curves or doing output sharpening etc...

    FWIW, I've found the best practice with it is to do the main lasso select and fill, then edit any residual artifacts using the content aware healing brush with a soft-ish edge. Works impressively well, even when removing objects from in front of a textured or patterned background...
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    I think the real trick in this is being pretty accurate in your selection. I have tried a couple things and found the better I am with the lasso tool or magic wand and do a feather of 1 or 2 pixels than the better it works. Forget the videos you have to work a little. They made it look a little too easy on the video's but in the end you still save a boat load of time and effort than trying to clone and airbrush. Also I have been running 64 bit for a long time and have a little program that always boots in 64 bit but I have noticed a very good speed boost. My files are typically 230 meg 16 bit tiff as the base size. I'm also on a much faster laptop as well with the I7 core so i really have gained some speed. IMHO worth the 200 bucks without a doubt. Some real speed increases and some nice functional things in it. As a full time laptop user your looking for all the speed you can get and my files are not small so it is even more important to be pushing the envelope.

    here is that little 64 bit program

    http://www.ahatfullofsky.comuv.com/E...s/SMS/SMS.html
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    Oh, and while we're on the topic of selections, the new automatic selection brush is very, very cool too!
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post

    here is that little 64 bit program

    http://www.ahatfullofsky.comuv.com/E...s/SMS/SMS.html
    Guy should probably have clarified that this program boots OSX in 64 bit automatically. (Note that currently OSX boots in 32 bit mode unless you force 64 bit by holding down the "6" and "4" keys during boot -- his link is to a little code script that handles that automatically upon each boot.) With some programs, you will run faster if OSX is running 64 bit, but in some others, you can actually run slower, so as with all newish operations caution is advised...

    Next it should be noted that you do NOT need to boot OSX in 64-bit to run CS5 in 64-bit -- CS5 runs natively in 64-bit mode on both 32 and 64 bit OSX mode. To run CS5 in 32 bit mode (on Mac), you open the package "info" and you'll find an option checkbox for opening CS5 in 32 bit mode. Currently, the main reason to run CS5 in 32 bit mode is most legacy plug-ins won't work in 64 bit mode, but will in 32 bit mode.

    FWIW only,
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    Thanks Bud
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by gogopix View Post
    Guy,
    That would be good news indeed. However, I am just loading CS5 now and I see that it loaded the 32-bit emulator of MS!!!! on 64-bit Windows 7

    WTF as they say en France. Is it 64-bit or not. (sorry, since I have a non-graphics business, we need to use MS OS )

    So, what is going on. If the 64bit on mac is real but on MS is just 'faked' that is important to know.

    Anybody out there know?

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    These days Adobe is treating Win useres first.

    CS4 was already 64bit on MS 64 OS, but only Photoshop - the rest is still emulated. However, working with 16 GB Ram on a Win7 server board everything is faster in CS4, especially Bridge. In CS5 it should be even better, unless something went seriously wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    Some people don't know the value of a dollar.
    I guess the people who really know the value of a dollar are very few - and better so it is.

    Ignorance is bliss - sometimes.

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    So far, CS5 has been pretty buggy for me on Win7, 64x.

    I had to re-install 3x before it said it worked. I had to re-install the 32-bit plugins and have to find my actions to re-install these, as expected.

    After I load the program, the top drop-down menu is duplicated right underneath-2 rows of the same "file" "image" etc.

    If I use the floating menu for Nik, movement duplicates the panel. It then tried to add yet another original program drop-down menu into the floating panel. Again, this is in 32-bit mode.

    There have been a number of .dll errors after the install. I also see that, before each install, it asks me to restart, even if I just restarted.

    Some of the plug-in menus from Nik don't work right, but I tried them in CS4 after the Win 7 upgrade and they didn't work right there, either.

    Sometimes, the program just "unexpectedly quits."

    It's odd, but Topaz Adjust seems to be producing more grain than before in the images.

    At this point, it's not easy to think this is working well. I have a pending call from tech support in the am. Support on Sat had to be called, as the install couldn't find CS4 to make the upgrade license work.

    Finally, I just saw the post that NAPP had a discount. Ouch!

    The upgrade has been an all-day deal and still isn't working right.

    Has anyone else had so much trouble?

    Thanks, steve

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Just tried 64x version. Some of the same issues apply. There are still duplications of panels on moving them and attempts to add another top menu into the panel. The program then just quits.

    So far, neither program can run.

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    Bummer Steve! I can only comment re Mac and Snow Leopard, but so far that combo has been nearly flawless. I wonder if it is an issue with your plug-ins?

    None of my plug-ins run unless I launch CS5 in 32-bit mode, and then CS5 slows down on the large files, so I have not spent much time using CS5 in 32-bit mode. FWIW, my current work-around is I leave CS5 booting in 64-bit because it is so much faster with the big files, and keep CS4 installed for the plug-ins when I need them. So far this seems a decent workaround for me.
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Steve,
    Did you do a de-install, without deactivating first so your serial number is remembered, but be sure to remove preferences, then a re-install?
    There have been a lot of issues related to preference files causing instability during the beta period.
    I had a stale preferences issue as well, as hdr merge would fail. Now, after that maneuver, it is fine.
    Not to say this is a specific prescription, but there can be some cs4 preferences hanging around that are inherited by cs5 but not compatible.
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Tried to do a complete un-install with revo uninstaller, but it doesn't seem to matter. I didn't turn on or install any plug-ins in the 64-bit version, but it crashes anyway (it looks like, as with CS4, there are separate 32 and 64 bit versions installed).

    Thankfully, C1 5 pro looks like it works, but I think CS4 and 5 are dead. I'll follow up after I talk to tech support.

    I'd be curious as to what Adobe's experience was with 64 bit Win 7 during beta testing. I'm afraid to do any more un-installs or re-installs, as I don't want to deal with Adobe for an hour re: the upgrade license again.

    So far, has been a huge waste of 12 hours...

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Marc, are you using it on a layered file, or the base layer before other adjustments? You want to use content-aware fill like when cloning dust or spot healing --- meaning the first steps on the base file before you start tweaking color, saturation, curves or doing output sharpening etc...

    FWIW, I've found the best practice with it is to do the main lasso select and fill, then edit any residual artifacts using the content aware healing brush with a soft-ish edge. Works impressively well, even when removing objects from in front of a textured or patterned background...
    Just saw this Jack. Thanks. Basically it comes down to not knowing what I'm doing ... as usual

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Just saw this Jack. Thanks. Basically it comes down to not knowing what I'm doing ... as usual
    NP -- that's why we're all here! (And I think if we count, you're still ahead on giving me tips by about a dozen!)
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Just for once it's delightful not to be a first adopter.
    For my needs CS3 still does a grand job and it'll be some time before I feel the need to jump to CS5

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Jono, three words: Content - Aware - Fill. Then three more: Faster than CS3/4.

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Jono, three words: Content - Aware - Fill. Then three more: Faster than CS3/4.


    Hi Jack
    I've read all about Content - Aware - Fill. But the way the clone and fill tools work in Aperture means that I'm simply not interested - even in A2 the clone tool was much better than in PS - the A3 tool is splendid - whether it's better than the CS5 content aware fill I don't know - but if I don't need more why bother?

    Aperture is singing for me right now - one proof is the moire shots that Tom (mpis) posted of his daughter - Aperture managed in 2 minutes what nobody else seemed to be able to deal with in C1 or PS. It may not be perfect for everything, but the workflow is fast and efficient.

    CS5 would add a whole new layer to a workflow which already works . . . .

    Mind you, that's what every reactionary old fool says

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    whether it's better than the CS5 content aware fill I don't know - but if I don't need more why bother?
    Okay, I'll simply add three more words: Ignorance IS bliss!

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    At least on the surface, I think I have the installs working.

    I spoke to Adobe and it seems at times residual files (as Bob said) and other Adobe products conflict. You have to run clean up scripts to clear out all the Adobe products, then re-install.

    I'm going to try to download and install the plugins, but at least the programs appear to be running despite some persistent error messages from the installer.

    Jack-do your actions work on CS5?

    Thanks for your help, steve

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Okay, I'll simply add three more words: Ignorance IS bliss!

    Ah Jack - which implies, presumably, that you're completely aware of the clone and fill options within Aperture 3?

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    It will be interesting what little extras come in Lightroom 3 that aren't in the Beta
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by scatesmd View Post
    At least on the surface, I think I have the installs working.

    I spoke to Adobe and it seems at times residual files (as Bob said) and other Adobe products conflict. You have to run clean up scripts to clear out all the Adobe products, then re-install.

    I'm going to try to download and install the plugins, but at least the programs appear to be running despite some persistent error messages from the installer.

    Jack-do your actions work on CS5?

    Thanks for your help, steve
    My actions all work in CS5 as before. I have a zillion Adobe products on my machine including: (CS2, CS3 complete with In-Design ect., CS4, and now CS5. No bumps or hiccups.

    -Marc

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    Hi guys
    Adobe Photoshop version CS5 is very important . I like its I was running the CS5 Beta. so more detail given on sharperimagesnow

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    My actions all work in CS5 as before. I have a zillion Adobe products on my machine including: (CS2, CS3 complete with In-Design ect., CS4, and now CS5. No bumps or hiccups.

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Pig.

    I should talk.


    But you know ... I have various programs that only run on specific PS versions ... like I kept one version because my Focus Magic only works on it, and then there is Define 2 which (when I last checked) didn't have the CS5 update ... etc. etc. etc.

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    Yea CS5 needs to get it's plug ins working or I should say third party vendors need to update. I don't have any plugins actually which is weird. I use Indesign a lot but had to keep CS4 on board because printers are not ready for CS5 which is a PITA since i like the new version a lot better
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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

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    Jack-do your actions work on CS5?
    Hi Steve,

    The set from Oregon will all work, but I've done some inor revisions -- I'll email you the most current set when I'm back in my office next week so you have them for Glacier

    Glad you got the bugs ironed out!

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    I loaded CS5 right after I got home as well as a 15day preview of NIK Viveza 2 all 64 bit both seem to be working/playing well together.

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Hi Don,

    It didn't go as well for me. Viveza 2 installer and Sharpener Pro installer both failed and froze the system, although Color FX was fine. I also tried OnOne FocalPoint 2 and it crashed the system and CS5. I called the developers and both said they aren't really ready for CS5, although were OK with Win 7 64x per se. This was all in an attempt to install into the 32x CS5.

    I'm still not fully trusting CS5, as the installer failed to work 3x, but it seems to be running now if I avoid the above plugins.

    Thanks, steve

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    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS5

    Viveza 2 is not working for me either despite having deleted duplicate Ariel fonts from Font Book (as they recommend). In a recent conversation with their support department they suggested logging on as a new user with admin privileges. This is not the first time this suggestion has been made to me...had the same problem with ImagePrint 7 which got resolved this way. Apparently there are certain parameters contained in user account which can cause problems. This solution did not work for me with Viveza 2 but the support gal said it had resolved the same issue for many others. Thought I'd pass it along FWIW. BTW, I am having the same problem with Viveza 2 in LR 2.7.

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