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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Oh, that's the best way to fix it!

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    Bill did you at first install over version 6. I'm really thinking given several slow complaints and buggy to do a clean install. I wiped my whole system of anything C1 before finally installing the official version 7. I had 6 and 3 betas on my system but I'm running great since I did that .
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    just made the upgrade purchase and tried to download, but am getting refused by server, told me to clear my browser cache and try again,(mac) no joy. Guy should i delete all previous C1 before I download?

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    Yea I would but i would also go to the Phase site and clearly grab your code and write it down. What I am not sure of is the upgrade process. Does Phase send you folks a code after you make the purchase and is it different than your version 6. My issue is I was given a code for mine and it was different than my Version 6 so I just wiped everything and started new. Im hoping you dont need version 6 on board to upgrade.

    Doug if your out there I dont know the answer to this one. I dont think you need 6 on board but want to be sure.

    I dont have a definitive answer on this upgrade process and looking for help on it.
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    I'm filling in for Doug. I paid for the upgrade from 6 to 7, and Phase gave me a new code for version 7.

    I deleted 6 before installing 7, but used AppZapper rather than doing it manually. I await Doug's word on whether this was bad.

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    No that sounds like just what i was hoping for. Wipe 6 out than . You will lose your styles and workspaces. But styles most likely need to be tweaked anyway and workspaces takes a few minutes to set back up if you have them. You can actually save the workspace by copying it off your main drive than put back in after you update. PITA and not sure its worth the effort. I used Clean My Mac and it wiped any sign of C1 on it.
    Given we have heard slow, bugs and such I would go clean install.

    Thanks Stephen no it was just fine what you did and I recommend it. Bits and pieces of programs from earlier versions can just cause issues. I'm sure Doug would agree with me here he is a big on wiping programs out before installing.
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    For the upgrade I had to enter my version 6 code and after payment was sent a new code, as stated before go to Phase One and look up your purchases and your version code will be there.
    Guy I just got back from "The Apple Store" and checked out the new retina display 15" MB Pro's and they are nice....$3000 by the time you upgrade the RAM to 16....Not cheap but like you I am always on my laptop. I have a MacPro with a 27" NEC monitor but hardly use it. Just curious, my thought was to install CS6, Capture One and the rest of my applications on the computer and save all my photos to an external drive.....does this make sense?
    Also the one I was looking at was the 2.6 GHz with 512 GB storage Flash and 16 GB RAM

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    Oh any custom LCC will also get wiped but again like workspaces you can save them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Bellyk View Post
    For the upgrade I had to enter my version 6 code and after payment was sent a new code, as stated before go to Phase One and look up your purchases and your version code will be there.
    Guy I just got back from "The Apple Store" and checked out the new retina display 15" MB Pro's and they are nice....$3000 by the time you upgrade the RAM to 16....Not cheap but like you I am always on my laptop. I have a MacPro with a 27" NEC monitor but hardly use it. Just curious, my thought was to install CS6, Capture One and the rest of my applications on the computer and save all my photos to an external drive.....does this make sense?
    Also the one I was looking at was the 2.6 GHz with 512 GB storage Flash and 16 GB RAM
    I do not store any images on my laptop except maybe for the current job I am working on. Now i do have a Promise Pegasus 4TB drive running Raid 0 that is connected using T bolt and its just as flipping fast as my SSD drive. So yes i can actually process right from that Pegasus. So yes you are thinking right in line. All OS and applications on that 512gb Flash Drive they have on the Retina and you can work off that but store somewhere else. You don't have to have a T bolt external but it is nice. Just do the current job right off your laptop drive than obviously back it up somewhere make your deliverable files to client than lose it off your desktop when you finish. BTW you can use your 27 inch NEC as i use my 30 inch NEC to my laptop. You just need one of those stupid DVI dual adapters.

    No question if your getting the Retina you cant change anything after the fact so no question get the 16gbs of RAM. The fastest processor is questionable sometimes. I do it just because I'm a speed freak.

    BTW Dan I can hear your wallet screaming all the way from Canada. LOL Its painful

    Oh outside of using T bolt externals there are USB 3 drives that are cheaper and still very fast to store images on. Look into those for sure
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Bill did you at first install over version 6. I'm really thinking given several slow complaints and buggy to do a clean install. I wiped my whole system of anything C1 before finally installing the official version 7. I had 6 and 3 betas on my system but I'm running great since I did that .
    Yes, I followed Capture Integration's excellent article on uninstalling V6 before installing V7. I don't know what got corrupted but it's fine now.

    And I do love the image quality! I'm updating all my files to the 7 engine.

    Cheers,
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    Great news. I truly think its the way to go.
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    OMG.....Pulled the plug


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    Go outside and yell get it off your chest , you'll feel better. LOL

    Great machine you'll love it and enjoy
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Catalogs are getting annoying - is there good documentation on using them in a workflow?

    1) I already opened a ticket on what I think is a real bug. Local adjustment masks are not exported even when exporting originals "with adjustments". This makes selective backup almost impossible.

    2) With a session, I have an output folder. Anything I process is visible there. This seems necessary as C1 can't print reliably from a RAW, but only from an already processed file. BUT... with a Catalog, although I specify an Output folder, I can't SEE the contents of that folder unless I go and add the contents to the catalog. And then every time I process, I have to find the new TIFFs and add THEM. This sounds just wrong.

    2a) Yes, I have added the Output "Folder" to the catalog, but when I select that in the Folders area, it is empty. Nothing shows up unless I add the contents, and then it doesn't stay updated. I couldn't figure out how to configure a smart album to always reflect the contents of a given folder, but I didn't try too hard.

    It's entirely possible that I'm just confused and that if I read the right online document, it would all be clear, but I am close to ripping this Catalog of 600 images to shreds and going back to Sessions.

    Anyone using Catalogs successfully?

    Thanks,

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    Ill try it today Matt. Have not had the chance and I never did beta test that part.


    BTW did you do a clean install.
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Thanks, Guy.

    Just to be sure, I did a by-the-book clean and reinstall. No change. I think I just don't understand how we're supposed to use Catalogs.

    Does anyone print from C1? I still print from LR, but generate the TIFFs in C1.

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    I paid for the upgrade, downloaded and installed over V6 without a hitch. Works great. I did get a new code. Eleanor

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yea I would but i would also go to the Phase site and clearly grab your code and write it down. What I am not sure of is the upgrade process. Does Phase send you folks a code after you make the purchase and is it different than your version 6. My issue is I was given a code for mine and it was different than my Version 6 so I just wiped everything and started new. Im hoping you dont need version 6 on board to upgrade.

    Doug if your out there I dont know the answer to this one. I dont think you need 6 on board but want to be sure.

    I dont have a definitive answer on this upgrade process and looking for help on it.

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Matt, I agree they need an option to process directly back into the catalog and/or a "open in PS from Catalog" option (like in Aperture/LR). The path for Catalog users to get an image from raw to PS and then back into the catalog in 7.0 requires far too many steps.

    No big surprise here, 7.0 is the very first time they are supporting cataloging. I expect the improvements in Catalog workflow in coming releases to be significant.

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    Re speed for everyone... as noted in one of those "12 things you need to know" I mentioned that Open CL is not working today in OSX 10.6 and 10.8. This should be addressed soon (at least for 10.8.x) at which point a lot of the speed improvements in v7.0 will become manifest. An SSD and lots of ram has always been a strong recommendation for Capture One, but now you'll want to think about Graphics Card as well (since Open CL draws off the graphics card). Some of the less recent Apple laptops had really under powered graphics cards which which would not do well in C1.

    I'd also expect that performance/speed/stability will be their biggest focus in the next month or two now that they have the X.0 release out. As far as X.0 releases go this one has been pretty stable on all the systems I've tested on, but every X.0 release (whether Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, or Phase One or anyone else) always has a few bugs.

    And yes, the advice to clear your preference/app-support files before upgrading is still in place. I've never tested App Zapper for this purpose but my gut feeling is it would do the job correctly (it's a fairly simple job to do after all).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    just made the upgrade purchase and tried to download, but am getting refused by server, told me to clear my browser cache and try again,(mac) no joy. Guy should i delete all previous C1 before I download?
    If you're still having problems connecting/completing the phaseone.com download you can use the download link on our website:
    Capture One Software

    It runs off our own server (not Phase's) and has been working great throughout the release (to be fair we have a small fraction of the traffic the official server has).
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    thank you doug. downloaded from your link in 4 minutes.

    had tried the phase site...was downloading ar 8kbs, would take 2 days!

    thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleanorbrown View Post
    Doug I have been working with C1-7 last night and today and I agree...the image quality has many great improvements. I have one question....All my images are arranged on my hard drives in my Mac Pro just the way i want them. All I want to do in C1 is to be able to access those folders as they are. I never understood sessions...never needed it...and don't really understand the cataloging feature. Bottom line....How can I just go to a finder menu in C1 and click on the image folder and see the images pop up in C1? Thanks, Eleanor
    Start a new session and use the System Folders area of the library tab.

    Just like in v6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Brittenson View Post
    Any Nikon lens profiles? Or can I at least make my own?
    Yes, many Nikon lenses have been profiled. More will be profiled over time.
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    Need Zeiss Zf.2 lenses.
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    Do we still need to use lossless compression with Leaf Aptus backs ?

    Is it fully compatible with 10.6.8 ?

    Thanks !

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    leica monochrom support

    doug,

    is there any chance that C1 will be able yo accept files from the Leica Monochrom?

    thank you in advance,
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    Doug off topic but hope all is well with your business Digital Transitions

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    Ha! You should know better than to ask about the Sigmas!
    Tiff files all the way!

    (but I do have encouraged them to do, and they clamed they would carefull consider...so hopefully in a later uddate..)
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    image load crashes C7; tried three times. was a clean install (mac)
    Ci loads, session created and open, tried to load images from CD card using import images function, causes C1 to quit, i did send error report to Phase

    got them to load by manually moving images to the capture file (they were jpgs anyway)
    Last edited by jlm; 31st October 2012 at 08:42.

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    The new way of handling LCC files seems to support the "shoot LCC right before/after capture" method only.
    I work with a catalog of LCC files I shot in the studio, a method that suits my workflow better (no problems with long exposures indoors, less color balance shorts after correction, faster,).
    Sure, for now I was able to import my old LCC presets from CO6 to CO7. But in the future, if I have to add new LCC presets to projects, I would have to add the actual files themselves to each new project, or am I missing out on something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gebseng View Post
    The new way of handling LCC files seems to support the "shoot LCC right before/after capture" method only.
    I work with a catalog of LCC files I shot in the studio, a method that suits my workflow better (no problems with long exposures indoors, less color balance shorts after correction, faster,).
    Sure, for now I was able to import my old LCC presets from CO6 to CO7. But in the future, if I have to add new LCC presets to projects, I would have to add the actual files themselves to each new project, or am I missing out on something?

    geb
    Use the "preset" pulldown in the LCC tool. Same idea as in v6 but the vocabulary/method is now uniform with all the other tools rather than using its own interface concept.
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

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    Doug off topic but hope all is well with your business Digital Transitions
    Yes thank you. More details here:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/sunset...tml#post464740
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Use the "preset" pulldown in the LCC tool. Same idea as in v6 but the vocabulary/method is now uniform with all the other tools rather than using its own interface concept.
    Thanks Doug, this is very helpful! So easy,

    all the best,

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Because I have received no replies or help on my question in an other thread, I am trying it here.

    I have RAW files from D-Lux5 and Panasonic LX-2 that Capture One 7PRO will either not recognize at all or when loading shows the thumbnails and then promptly renders them all as entirely white and when going to the develop tool renders them black.
    I have reinstalled C1-7 (I originally had completely removed C1-6PRO) to no avail. Since I have used Capture since 3x I have never had such a problem.
    I no longer have any of these cameras, but recall having no problems processing the same files in previous versions.
    have tried removing acceleration in preferences when one of the files started flashing thumbnail and black.
    The information tool shows perfectly correct information.
    The files show up perfectly in Media 1 and from there they can be perfectly processed in Photoshop CS6, Iridient Raw Developer, RPP Raw Photo Processor,
    and Aperture.
    It's not a serious problem as the images are not very important and I have many ways to process them, but still.......Anybody know what the problem might be?

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Have you opened a support ticket with phaseone? They are pretty responsive and either get a fix or acknowledge a bug to be fixed in the next release.

    I'm sorry that I don't have a solution to offer you.

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Matt
    Thanks for your reply.
    I have a support ticket started with uploaded files and my experience with Phase One has always been extremely positive.
    What intrigues me is that so many other programs do open these files and process them to tiff's jpegs etc.
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Doug and Guy thanks sooo much, my new MacBook Pro showed up today and so far the only thing loaded is Capture One and it's running great, still sooo much to learn but right from the start and with a little tweaking the photos look great with lot's of punch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    Catalogs are getting annoying - is there good documentation on using them in a workflow?

    1) I already opened a ticket on what I think is a real bug. Local adjustment masks are not exported even when exporting originals "with adjustments". This makes selective backup almost impossible.

    2) With a session, I have an output folder. Anything I process is visible there. This seems necessary as C1 can't print reliably from a RAW, but only from an already processed file. BUT... with a Catalog, although I specify an Output folder, I can't SEE the contents of that folder unless I go and add the contents to the catalog. And then every time I process, I have to find the new TIFFs and add THEM. This sounds just wrong.

    2a) Yes, I have added the Output "Folder" to the catalog, but when I select that in the Folders area, it is empty. Nothing shows up unless I add the contents, and then it doesn't stay updated. I couldn't figure out how to configure a smart album to always reflect the contents of a given folder, but I didn't try too hard.

    It's entirely possible that I'm just confused and that if I read the right online document, it would all be clear, but I am close to ripping this Catalog of 600 images to shreds and going back to Sessions.

    Anyone using Catalogs successfully?

    Thanks,

    Matt
    Hi Matt,

    1) Yes, there is an issue in some cases. But that has been fixed and the test version I am working with, all works as expected.

    2) Sounds like you a very used to Sessions and embrace them.

    Remember, using a Catalog is a very different concept. For a Catalog to recognise an image there must be an import process so the database can be updated accordingly. This is why they are not showing up in the Catalog when you simply place them in a folder.

    But perhaps in the future there is a way we can think about that easily. I would imagine somebody who has never used the Sessions way of doing things wouldn't find it frustrating, but those of us liking sessions soon learn its a nice way of doing things!

    Also consider you can run Sessions and Catalogs side by side. I have successfully imported a completed Session into a Catalog. Maybe that would work for you?

    Otherwise, if you like Sessions, stick with that, or perhaps have a Catalog for the Raws only? Final images only? Lots of different ways to do things!

    Maybe watch these too..

    Catalogs in Depth in Capture One Pro 7 | Phase One - YouTube

    Offline Browsing in Capture One Pro 7 | Phase One - YouTube

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    David,

    I am assuming that the export bug will be fixed soon, so that isn't a long-term concern. And other applications using catalogs (Aperture and Lightroom) also do not automatically show exported images, but they also don't require an extra processed file for printing.

    I opened a ticket with Phase One over poor colors when printing and was told by tech support (I can forward you the ticket details) that I could only print reliably from a processed file. In Sessions, this file is visible in the Output folder, so it's not a huge pain - it means a few mouse clicks and possible confusion if I had already processed that same image with a different recipe or settings. With a Catalog, it means finding and importing the processed file, then selecting it and printing it.

    I suppose that in a workflow where printing is rare and only done for those 5-star images that go on the gallery wall, it makes sense to require a permanent TIFF for later reproduction, as well as special handling for such printable files. For more casual use, it is mildly irritating.

    I am quite happy with the Catalog concept in general. I just have to find the right workflow. I'll have a look at the videos you linked.

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    Been thinking about catalogs for a couple days here. My conclusion for me at least is to stay on the sessions path since its such a big part of my history and file systems. But here is where I see catalogs for me at least be a nice setup. My biggest issue is always finding my final tiffs. What I'm thinking about is setting up a catalog just for that and than I would have far more easier access to them. I could also do several types of catalogs as well. Like all my workshops I have taught be nice to access the files from let's say Yosemite 2 years ago, Moab 4 years ago etc etc. I always struggle to have them all in the same place. I could just import into that catalog as I go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Been thinking about catalogs for a couple days here. My conclusion for me at least is to stay on the sessions path since its such a big part of my history and file systems. But here is where I see catalogs for me at least be a nice setup. My biggest issue is always finding my final tiffs. What I'm thinking about is setting up a catalog just for that and than I would have far more easier access to them. I could also do several types of catalogs as well. Like all my workshops I have taught be nice to access the files from let's say Yosemite 2 years ago, Moab 4 years ago etc etc. I always struggle to have them all in the same place. I could just import into that catalog as I go.
    Thats a good combo Guy.

    With some careful keywording / smart album-ing you could have a really sleek searchable catalog in one place.

    So every time you wrap up a Session with your final TIFs import them into a Catalog.

    You should explore the filters tool to see how many different elements you can search with. Crazy!

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    Excellent David, great points. i think that is exactly the direction I will take the catalogs. I see some really good value for myself to invest the time in setting up something for my finals. It really is a PITA trying to find this stuff. Sessions for me at least is one of those workflow issues that i will not change, since my whole backup is setup like that. I'm now actually thinking of adding a extra external just for the catalog final tiffs.
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    My major concern with combining Sessions and Catalogs is keeping them in sync. If you later do any editing in the Session, does the Catalog view reflect that edit? What if you move a file, say, to the Selects folder?

    The major advantage of a Catalog only setup is that it handles all these database issues.

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Strange.
    I can see via C1 7 those tifs produced by processing in C1, but if I save a file in PS as a tif it cannot be seen.
    that sort of puts the kibosh on that use case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Strange.
    I can see via C1 7 those tifs produced by processing in C1, but if I save a file in PS as a tif it cannot be seen.
    that sort of puts the kibosh on that use case.
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    that would do it for me too. thats has to be a bug
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    There are a lot of options when saving as tiff.
    I found that if you turn off saving layers then C1 can see it in the browser.
    That is sort of a way of doing it, but still very wrong.
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    There are a lot of options when saving as tiff.
    I found that if you turn off saving layers then C1 can see it in the browser.
    That is sort of a way of doing it, but still very wrong.
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    Damn just tried importing a layered Tif and your right its a no go.
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    are you trying to use C1, 7 to tweak processed files, not just raw files? or just to view them?

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    No just trying to import the layered tif files into the catalog. I'm only after viewing
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Guy,
    The sad thing is that when I make a round trip from the LR4 catalog and the layered tiff is there, if I open it again in PSC6 the layers are intact.
    Since Capture One is my processor of choice, I think I will keep my LR4 catalog and have a MediaPro catalog on trial and stay with definitely stay with sessions in Capture One.
    I find the Capture One catalog a weak version of the Media PRO one.

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    So far C1 isn't really the best options for a catalogue... It works, but not quite as good as it could be. However, I think it does not matter and I would wish they would invest the time in other things. Lightroom works so well for cataloguing that there isn't really a reason for doing it in c1...

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