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    Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Capture One 7 was released this morning.

    1) Image Quality is Even Better
    Highlight/shadow recovery, sharpness/detail, and noise reduction are are *majorly* improved. This is the largest improvement in one software generation I've ever seen.

    2) Full Cataloging, Now Available
    Many of the features and power of Media Pro / iView Pro have now been incorporated into Capture One. You can store images inside or outside the catalog, and if an image isn't available (e.g. on a hard drive not plugged in) you can still view, zoom, and adjust the image.

    3) dSLR Workflow is More Tightly Integrated
    Live View, additional camera controls, and lens corrections for many dSLR systems.

    4) Tech Camera Workflow Has Been Greatly Improved
    If you're a tech camera shooter then the the time you have to spend at the computer to analyze and apply a few dozen LCCs will drop from half an hour to around a minute.

    5) Local Adjustments Are Faster and Better
    Graduated filters, opacity control, faster drawing, a time saving "fill" feature and other improvements.

    6) Capture Pilot now also works from any web browser
    The live review and control feature app previously limited to use with an iPad, has been opened up to any web browser, local or remote.

    7) A Bunch of Nice "Small Touches" Were Added
    Manual sorting, # of images per folder label, the ability to flip/mirror the image, defaults settable for any given camera, and more

    8) It's a First Release; Treat it Accordingly
    Every company (Apple, Adobe, Phase etc) release X.0 versions. If you have a high pressure shoot tomorrow in front of an important client then don't blindly jump ship to version 7. There will be a few bugs.

    9) The Catalog Feature is Optional; Sessions are Still Welcome
    If you use and love "sessions" in v6 you can continue using sessions in v7.

    10) The Retail Price is $299, or $99 as an Upgrade.
    You can use the promo code DT3535 at the phase one online store to get 10% off new and upgrade orders.

    11) If you've purchased v6 since Photokina then v7 is free
    Phase One will be sending you an email in the next week to that effect

    12) Many of the speed improvements are not manifest in 10.8, yet
    At the moment OpenCL is not supported under 10.8.x. This should change in the near future.
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    I heard from my local dealer IQ is super amazing!! Totally different algorithm.

    I cant wait.

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    Sounds cool but still no damn X Pro 1 support

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Marvellous. Bought a second copy of Capture One on August 24... so I now have to pay to upgrade... twice!

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    LOL it is out !!!! downloading now

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Doug's discount code didn't work for me. Is it because I'm in Europe?

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Yes, contact your local dealer for a code in your region. The idea is to have a relationship with the entity that is nearby and can provide you support, training, etc (in your own language). Phase One provides support online via support cases and are very good about getting back to you fast, but it's still better if you buy from a local dealer and maintain a relationship with them. The promo codes incentivize that.
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    Doh! Paid the upgrade fee before reading that point about the discount code. And after all those tests in school where READING THE INSTRUCTIONS was the whole point...

    Seriously, $99 is pretty good for this upgrade. It is stellar!

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    O, #13 of things you need to know... if you open an image in v7 which was edited in v6 the look will not change (which is great IMO - I don't want my images changing without my approval). Under the "Base Characteristics" tool you can select to change the processing engine behind used to the v7 engine. That will allow you to access the improved image quality.
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    Hey Doug,

    Does V7 support the MBP Retina Display?

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    is there also a v7 for the digital back copy?

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    Im going to move this thread into the image processing section
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    I'm unable to download C1 7 in the US. The download gets stuck everytime again. Anybody else experiencing this?? Perhaps P1 server is getting overloaded with requests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Im going to move this thread into the image processing section
    Makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    is there also a v7 for the digital back copy?
    Yes.

    Phase One provides the full functionality of Capture One for digital backs owners under the "DB" version. Identical to pro, but only works with digital back files. This continues with version 7 and beyond.

    Quote Originally Posted by ddanois View Post
    Hey Doug,

    Does V7 support the MBP Retina Display?
    Yes.
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    Hi Doug
    Does it support the Sigma DP1/2 Merrils yet?
    Thorkil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviv1887 View Post
    I'm unable to download C1 7 in the US. The download gets stuck everytime again. Anybody else experiencing this?? Perhaps P1 server is getting overloaded with requests.
    I'm in Europe - Server Error 500

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    Their server is down. duh!

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    I received "Server Error 500" when I tried to download with Firefox, but when I tried Safari instead it immediately started downloading.

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    One tip for the people who want to use the browser on the right - there is no such setting as a standard in C1-7 .I have not found a way to move it manually so- to get this anyway, don´t yet delete your version 6. Use the menue to get the right browser, save this as your workspace. Then switch to C1-7. You will now find it in a workplace list to chose from former versions, chose 6.3.4 and voila the browser moves right. To make sure you have this in the future, save it as Browser right.

    I´m still testing, but it seems it rebuilds ALL previews now which may take DAYS on my (huge)library to finish. At the moment I cannot work anymore with it as the progress wheel is spinning permanently since some hours now.
    And with the exception of the first folder I did I cannot see any previews now.

    Will report of the progress tomorrow.

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    Doug, is there educational pricing for higher education staff who work in imaging?

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Hi Doug,

    Two questions so far:

    1. Noise reduction is pretty different than 6. Can you offer some guidance? I miss the surface slider.
    2. Is there any performance or stability reason to upgrade to 10.8 or can I just stay with Snow Leopard?

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Browser right: VIEW, Place Browser Right

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    Now I have to reprocess all my images. Seriously, the IQ is substantially better in the controls have all been improved.

    Be sure to upgrade the engine on old images to get the new features.

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    Yea I see a lot of work ahead of me and go back and reprocess a bunch of images.
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    Is there a way to get your serial number somewere when you open up Capture One 6
    The last 4 digits are greyed out? when I look at about

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    Oops logged into PhaseOne to view my purchase history

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    Doug does it take a while for the promo code?

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    Promo code is DT3535. Should be good for 10% off new or upgrade pricing for US region purchases.
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Phase One provides the full functionality of Capture One for digital backs owners under the "DB" version.
    Hi Doug - I use the DB version for my IQ160's IIQs, but I'd like to demo the full version to see how it works with my TIFs as well. How do I open it other than "DB-only"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_Green View Post
    Hi Doug,

    Two questions so far:

    1. Noise reduction is pretty different than 6. Can you offer some guidance? I miss the surface slider.
    2. Is there any performance or stability reason to upgrade to 10.8 or can I just stay with Snow Leopard?
    1. Noise reduction, sharpening, and the debayering math (all of which ends up related/linked in a workflow) is indeed very different. Here are some thoughts:
    - the debayering math means that there are less digital artifacts. This means the image can take more sharpening without producing obvious digital artifacts
    - the debayering math produces more detailed images which means you likely don't need to sharpen as much and may even want to turn sharpening down a bit from default
    - the default noise reduction level may be needlessly high when using the v7 engine; feel free to drop it down when the image doesn't seem to need it
    - the color noise reduction and single pixel noise reduction sliders are much more full proof; i.e. even when used aggressively they are resistent to causing deleterious side effects
    - luminance noise reduction can now be set much more aggressively; however it has a tendency to create a fairly plastic finish when used strongly. I suggest adding 30 to 60 points of "fine grain" to counter act this tendency.
    - details = "surface" in the negative direction. When upping details you're changing the way the data is "massaged" prior to debayering. This interacts with the sharpening and the luminance noise reduction to change the way the grain is structured. For experimentation take a mid-ISO file and process with low-detail/high-sharpening/mid-luminance-noise-reduction and compare it to high-detail/mid-sharpening/low-luminance-noise-reduction.

    2. Actually 10.7 is my recommendation at the moment. The improvements to speed in C1v7 are dependent on OpenCL which isn't working great right now in 10.8 or 10.6. But otherwise either 10.6 or 10.8 is fine. Long term look to get to 10.8.

    Mind you I'm writing on 3 hours of sleep after a solid 16 hour day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by schuster View Post
    Hi Doug - I use the DB version for my IQ160's IIQs, but I'd like to demo the full version to see how it works with my TIFs as well. How do I open it other than "DB-only"?
    The following from the dropdown at the top:
    Capture One > License > Try Pro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Doug, is there educational pricing for higher education staff who work in imaging?
    Yes on a case by case basis depending on what institution and what position you work in (i.e. a professor of commercial photography is a no brainer, an accountant at a fine art college is a no go).

    Email [email protected] or call the office to speak with someone in sales (I'd suggest getting the trial for now and calling on Wednesday or Thursday of next week; it will be pure chaos for Friday/Monday with the c1v7 launch).
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    If you're having a problem downloading you can use the download on our website (it comes from our own server, not Phase's).

    Download Latest Release of Capture One
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    Thanks Doug for the discount code.....Paid and activating
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    Doug, I was really chuffed to see Phase finally included an opacity filter in the local adjustment but would love your help as I can see no way of adjusting the opacity once the mask has been painted?

    I can paint a mask with a 30% opacity but don't see a way of tweaking this. Seems backwards if that is how its been implemented if I need to know what opacity my mask needs to be before I draw it......... is there a crystal ball feature I've missed?

    Loving version 7 so far apart from this little niggle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Bellyk View Post
    Is there a way to get your serial number somewere when you open up Capture One 6
    The last 4 digits are greyed out? when I look at about
    I couldn't figure out neither. I went to my email archive to find their activation email. It took me awhile. It must be stored somewhere in the software.

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    Need to log on the phase site and look up your order history to find your existing code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Doug, I was really chuffed to see Phase finally included an opacity filter in the local adjustment but would love your help as I can see no way of adjusting the opacity once the mask has been painted?

    I can paint a mask with a 30% opacity but don't see a way of tweaking this. Seems backwards if that is how its been implemented if I need to know what opacity my mask needs to be before I draw it......... is there a crystal ball feature I've missed?

    Loving version 7 so far apart from this little niggle!
    I can't decide if it's a bug or a feature, but if you paint with 30% opacity, then discover that you missed a spot, it's almost impossible to fill it in. Painting over the area with another stroke of 30% will fill in the hole, but will double paint the overlap. There doesn't seem (at first glance) to be a way to add to an existing stroke.

    My biggest problem is that exporting an image from a catalog fails to export the local adjustment masks. With Sessions, I would archive selects by exporting as EIP, but that doesn't seem possible from a catalog. I'd be happy to make a special "Selects Catalog" for backup, but I don't see how to do even that. I've tried different settings, and trashing plist files from older installations, but still no LAM on export. Anyone else having this problem? I'm using OS X 10.8 on both desktop and laptop. Same behavior on both.

    Someone really has to write "C1 for Dummies" or "C1, the Missing Manual". (Doug?)

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    We'll be working on training materials for sure. The free Youtube videos are a good start, made by none other than David Grover of forum fame. If you haven't watched those they are a MUST.

    We (Digital Transitions) have our intro and advanced Capture One Webinars and our very advanced full-day Capture One Masters Program. And we also do 1v1 training in person or via the web (though this gets pricey since we're not filling full of a class but instructing one on one with a 100% catered curriculum).

    We'll also be working on material for our website covering specific topics in depth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    I can't decide if it's a bug or a feature, but if you paint with 30% opacity, then discover that you missed a spot, it's almost impossible to fill it in. Painting over the area with another stroke of 30% will fill in the hole, but will double paint the overlap. There doesn't seem (at first glance) to be a way to add to an existing stroke.
    The dropdown arrow in the top right of the layers tool will allow you to "fill" the mask in. This is also helpful as a shortcut to filling in the center of a complicated mask - i.e. just paint the entire outside edge of a barn and push "fill" and the rest of the barn will be filled in.

    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    My biggest problem is that exporting an image from a catalog fails to export the local adjustment masks. With Sessions, I would archive selects by exporting as EIP, but that doesn't seem possible from a catalog. I'd be happy to make a special "Selects Catalog" for backup, but I don't see how to do even that. I've tried different settings, and trashing plist files from older installations, but still no LAM on export. Anyone else having this problem? I'm using OS X 10.8 on both desktop and laptop. Same behavior on both.

    I'd expect additional import/export/merging actions will be added to the cataloging feature. Right now if you export "with adjustments" Capture One puts the adjustments in a side-car folder named "Capture One" wherever you put the raw file. I'd prefer to see a direct-to-EIP option and while I can't promise it will happen I'd be surprised if it didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Doug, I was really chuffed to see Phase finally included an opacity filter in the local adjustment but would love your help as I can see no way of adjusting the opacity once the mask has been painted?

    I can paint a mask with a 30% opacity but don't see a way of tweaking this. Seems backwards if that is how its been implemented if I need to know what opacity my mask needs to be before I draw it......... is there a crystal ball feature I've missed?

    Loving version 7 so far apart from this little niggle!
    I'd love to see a post-facto opacity slider on the LAYER itself.

    Right now there is only a opacity slider on the brush which is hugely useful and a big step forward, but a layer opacity slider would be very useful as well.

    I doubt they've had a meeting wherein they've said "you know what, adjustment layers are good enough now - let's never improve them in any way ever again" So keep the good suggestions coming and stay tuned!
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    What I am seeing so far with C1P7 is a big improvement in 1DX file conversion,far better than LR4...

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    Doug if you had enough interest through the forum would you add another date for a Capture One Masters Program?

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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Anybody find the advertised Gradient filter yet?
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    Under local adjustments Bill. Create a new layer . Hold mouse down icon and it comes up. Not at computer to give you a visual
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    Bill its one of he adjustment brushes in the drop down menu - brush, eraser, gradient tool.
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    OK - have tried C1-7 now for a day. Unfortunately it is not very pleasant result. On My MBPro17 /6Gig ram /OSX 10.7.5 the old version ran stable and reasonable fast ( once startedwhich is slooooooow !).
    C1-7 has already crashed on me 4x times , 1 time so serious that I had to reboot, finish immediately would have no effect.
    the overall performance is slow. Previews are sluggish sometimes changeing a directory just ends in a spinning wheel and nothing happens.
    Whereas the latest version 6.4.4 is nearly instantaneous on my machine V7 is also blocking the resources of other programs, it seems to gobble ram like crazy. Even starting Preview additionally to C1-7 takes time now. Running Photoshop 6 additionally is impossible. It also seems to leak memory. After some time my machine gets slower and slower. I had to restart to get to the normal status after finishing the prog.

    Seems to me this Upgrade was designed for really fast machines, on my early 2008 Dual Core Mac its just barely usable.


    Overall, will go back to 6.4.4. Maybe in some months I´ll try again. right now - NOGO.

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    Stefan,

    Must be something corrupt in your installation -- try a complete removal of all of your C1 files and then reload fresh.
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    Re: Capture One 7: the 12 Things You Need to Know

    Hi Jack

    I suspect more it does not like the old versions to be on the same machine.
    As I see all the old preferrences for the workspaces of the last 15 versions that I had on the Mac. Somehow this irritates V7 - as I said, there was no Browser right choice, I had to create one - with the trick of using 6.4.4 and saving this as a dedicated workspace. Then it suddenly showed up in 7 as Workspace #16.
    I also see that V7 does probably not read the previews generated by 6.4.4. It starts running the spinning wheel and then sometimes crashes.

    Everything else runs smoothly. System is perfectly stable and fast.
    No Problem. I will just use 6.4.4.

    Will try it on another machine, probably will buy another late 2011 MBPro17 soon, then lets see.

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