Sorry guys for asking this question every year ...
macOS Catalina 10.15
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macOS Catalina: is it safe ?
Sorry guys for asking this question every year ...
macOS Catalina 10.15
Bart ...
Mmm, I guess better safe than sorry ...
[by capture integration]
Bart ...
Hi Knorp
take a read here, for example.
Cheers
Ivo
Adobe products with incompatibilities:
Photoshop
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb...-catalina.html
Lightroom Classic
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-cl...atibility.html
Joe
Is this going to be Adobe's "move everything to our cloud if you want to upgrade your OS" excuse? I've been wondering what they'd do next. They already own your workflow. Now they want your work.Originally Posted by Joe Colson
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I've been more and more irritated by Adobe for the past five years. I haven't used PS since 2014 at all, and LR 6.14 is the last version of Lightroom I'll use. It'll live forever on my mid-2012 Mac mini, locked in time with macOS Mojave and all the other stuff that's already on it, for when I need it.
I'll soon order a new Mac mini, fully stuffed, and will configure it from scratch with new software that does the job I want. The only bit of kit that I have to check compatibility on is my Xrite i1 Display Pro software...
Safe? Eh, I'm not worrying about it. It'll work well enough with the right software.
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Xrite statement from July:
https://xritephoto.com/ph_product_ov...SupportID=5921
They might be close to full support for everything by now. I've sent an inquiry.
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Is this going to be Adobe's "move everything to our cloud if you want to upgrade your OS" excuse? I've been wondering what they'd do next. They already own your workflow. Now they want your work.
MI knew that even mentioning Adobe would create a [email protected]#t storm. I'm just passing on information relevant to the OP's question. With an X1D, Capture 1 is not an option for me. And at my age, I doubt whether I have sufficient brain cells left to learn a new processing app. YMMV.
Joe
Not for VenezuelaIs this going to be Adobe's "move everything to our cloud if you want to upgrade your OS" excuse? I've been wondering what they'd do next. They already own your workflow. Now they want your work.
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I'm more concerned regarding C1 : https://support.captureone.com/hc/en...es-immediately
Bart ...
Well, sorry Joe. Didn't mean to blow up a cloud of horsepucky.
Perhaps the correct answer is embedded in your question ... You ask the same question every year, and the answer is undoubtedly the same: Some things are fine, others are not. Until there's more evidence from the field, it's best to be cautious. Exactly what does and doesn't work will have to wait until there are a few people who've installed it and started testing their gear with it.Sorry guys for asking this question every year ...
Unless there's some overriding need to be on a new OS revision, just hang out and wait until the vendors of your critical software have caught up.
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Follow-on to the OP question:
I use Econ Technologies' ChronoSync as the basis of my backup and archiving system. They're released a full technical note regarding preparing for and upgrading to macOS Catalina:
https://www.econtechnologies.com/chr...na-Update.html
They're all ready for it, I've got the latest revision (Catalina compatible) already installed and tested. This software is at least as important as Lightroom and Photoshop, to me anyway.
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I have been using Catalina for a few days now. No problems so far. What's annoying is that Mac Pro 2010-2012 isn't any longer compatible, even with a Metal compatible GPU (or at least that's what they say). I suppose they did that on purpose to force people over on the new Pro.
No, they likely did that because some bit required for compatibility with the latest OS is missing in that generation Mac Pro's hardware architecture, and any workaround would make the new OS not run particularly well, as well as be difficult to maintain. 2012 generation stuff is old hardware now.
I had access to a couple of these decision teams at Apple once upon a time. It's never a lot of fun to have to say 'Yes, we should not support that.' when it comes to aging out a generation of computer hardware. It has to happen eventually for most hardware if you are going to move forward, but no one ever likes doing it ... including the marketing goons.
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Define “safe.” I spent a half hour this morning getting my dock back.
I hope it’ll be there tomorrow.
I hear what you're sayin' Godfrey. Still, I'm running 10.13 High Sierra on my 2009 4,1 (officially limited to 10.11 El Capitan) with the High Sierra Patcher that someone was so kind to develop. I don't have any problems with it at all, except obviously not being able to install upgrades, which is also due to the fact that there are no Metal compatible GPUs available for it.
However, since the 4,1 is available used for around $300 these days, it's a fantastic photo server/backup unit, since it swallows four large disks, larger than the specified 2TB limit (i use 4TB units), and will last much longer than the "plastic fantastic" disk towers that are available elsewhere for a similar price but with no processing capabilities.
I installed Catalina a couple of days ago and running fine on my 2014 Mac Mini. Only issue was with ImagePrint not working, but they have promised an update next week.
I just updated to Catalina and can report that Capture One 12 seems to be running fine, including tethering with the D850 and an IQ3 back. Doesn't mean that what I did was super clever, given Phase One's guidance not to upgrade for the moment, given that Catalina is "not supported at the moment" and reports on the web to the effect that tethering did not work. Perhaps I will discover some issues later but so far so good.
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Just a followup to note that ImagePrint was updated and is working well with Catalina. I have not had any issues processing images in Lightroom Classic, Capture One 12, Luminar and DXO. I mainly use Lightroom.
Capture One 20 to the rescue ...
Bart ...
i really don't understand why people rush to upgrade?
one thing that i did find out is that my Eizo screen will have to be replaced as colour navigator is only catalina compliant with version 7 not 6 (32bit) and my CG 241W is not supported by version 7.
i can still use it but not take advantage of calibrating with colour navigator which is the point of using an Eizo!
so if you use an Eizo that’s a few years old then check first before upgrading.
They are just tools for a job.
I don't know that anyone in this thread is 'rushing' to upgrade. Seems to me that folks in this thread are being cautious and deliberating over whether it's an update that will cause problems before diving in. Of course, someone has to update for user information on "what works" and "what doesn't" to surface too...
Thanks for the notes on EIZO display compatibility! Not something that affects me, but I know many people really like their EIZO displays. I'm still happy with my now-ancient Apple Thunderbolt 27" display.
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From Fuji Rumors ...
And now we wait ...Capture One is offering a 20% discount to all existing Capture One Pro 12 customers, who pre-order Capture One Pro 20.
Keep in mind that our exclusive 10% discount code OCT-AF-P89 expires on October 31, so only until then you save 30%. After that, you’ll save “only” 20%.
Dedicated Capture One 12 to Capture One 20 upgrade deal page
Bart ...
... until when? Is there a release date?From Fuji Rumors ...
And now we wait ...
With best regards, K-H.
'Coming soon', but not this month ...... until when? Is there a release date?
Bart ...
And why is Capture One going to version 20 ? Obviously to synch with the year but who cares?
I am not so concerned with anything except not being able to
use my old version Microsoft Office which I believe isn't 16 bit
To answer a few questions ...
Q: What is Capture One 20?
A: Following on from Capture One 12, Capture One 20 is the next generation of Capture One.
Q: Why did you skip 13-19? Why is it called 20?
A: Capture One 20 is more powerful than ever and will deliver the next generation of photo editing tools. So with a new decade taking off in 2020, we decided to mark a new era of photography and image processing with Capture One.
Q: When is the new version being released?
A: In support, we cannot comment on future releases. However, we’ll definitely be sharing the news of the launch via emails, the Resource Hub and our social media channels – so stay tuned.
Bart ...
Given that I've heard that LR v6.14 would run successfully in the macOS Catalina environment with an "install-over" installation, I considered installing Catalina on my current mid-2012 Mac mini. But then I reconsidered and felt that my original plan to keep the 2012 mini frozen on Mojave with LR 6.14 forever as a backup to all the work that I've done with Lightroom since 2006, and buy a new Mac mini for Catalina and beyond, was a more sensible and prudent plan going forward.
So yesterday I ordered a new Mac mini configured with the higher end six-core processor, 32G RAM, and 1T internal SSD. I need a TB2 to TB3 adapter to enable continued use of my Apple Thunderbolt Display 27", and adapters to connect my current USB3 drives through USB-C ports. All of my photo data other than the Lightroom catalogs themselves are on the external USB3 drives, my current keyboard and trackpad will work just fine. I need to check compatibility of the Xrite i2 Display Pro with both the USB2 to USB-C connector as well as my CD/DVD drive and SD/CF card readers. I'll build up the new system afresh when it arrives. I suspect PS and LR will no longer be installed on the system at all.
A new adventure beckons. I look forward to it.
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No matter where you go, there you are.
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So, my late 2013 “trashcan” Mac Pro was overheating and shutting down with a fairly light workload. It didn’t seem to have any airflow through it. Oh boy, do I need a new fan?
Nope. I found one video out there where someone removed the outer shell and used a soft brush to clean the air intake all around the bottom of the “trashcan”. Upon inspection I found that after 6 years of continued use the air intake was completely plugged up. After brushing off all the small dust and fiber particles, airflow has been restored and the “trashcan” runs cool under any workload. Problem solved.
The 1 TB internal SSD is now running the latest version of Mojave and I will keep it frozen that way so that I can keep using PS CS6, an old version of Nik, and a free plug-in for Helicon Focus that I use in combination with Capture One Pro for my cameras from various makers. I also have an old version of LR that I don’t use any longer.
I ave also added a 2 TB external SSD to run Catalina on. I have noticed that a bug in Catalina has been fixed so that the latest version of SoftRAID can be installed without a workaround.
Generally I like using Catalina a lot. But unfortunately it doesn’t support some of the functionality I still rely on. Unless I can replace those under Catalina lost functions with supported ones I will keep switching between Mojave as my primary OS and Catalina as my secondary one.
With best regards, K-H.
The adventure begins:
The new Mac mini (Catalina pre-installed) arrived yesterday, a week early, and is waiting for me to get to work setting it up. I'm working out just how I want it to be configured and with what... Fun fun fun!
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Godfrey, good luck with the Mac Mini. I just received my 16" MacBook Pro with Catalina pre-installed. So far, so good. Most/all of my apps have caught up with Catalina. No incompatibilities discovered yet.
Joe
Darr, I'm using Lightroom Classic 9.0 and Photoshop 2020 and have found no issues (yet). My Nik Collection and Topaz AI plugins work well also. So far, so good.
Joe
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The Adventure Continues ...
I'm running on the new mini now. I decided to do my setup by initializing the system with its defaults and then using Migration Assistant to pull over everything from the 2012 mini using a Thunderbolt connection. After initialization, the migration required a TB2 to TB3 adapter in addition to the one I bought to run the display. It completed the pull-over of everything in about two hours total. Not bad for 800 Gbytes of data to transfer.
Since then, I've been checking operations and deleting no longer useful applications. The different port availability and need for an external CF/SD card reader means I probably have to add a small USB3 hub to configure all the peripherals the way I had them before... of course, I have to decide whether that's really needed or what I want.
My old PS 5.1 was dead already since I hadn't installed the Java engine it requires. LR 6.14 perpetual license is dead as expected. I have a fresh copy of On1 Photo Raw 2020 to install, and I have RAW Power and Affinity Photo already installed. And I have Luminar on tap to play with too. (I really have to learn how to use Photos a bit more before I get comfortable with RAW Power...)
The 2012 mini is as it was, and can be hooked up and brought into service in two minutes for access to LR 6.14. It'll be interesting to see how often this is necessary until I'm fully converted to using new software.
Onwards...
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More in The Adventure Continues ...
Since they're nonfunctional on Catalina, I went through the hoops required and removed Photoshop CS5.1 and Lightroom v6.14 from the new machine. AND the collection of LR catalog folders as well. They're all untouched on the old mini, why waste the space? And that space was considerable ... almost 100Gbytes of my terabyte startup drive.
QT Pro 7 no longer runs, as well as a bunch of other old utility apps that had been lingering. All gone now. Some updates to various and sundry other apps installed.
I updated Adobe Digital Negative Converter to current. I'll install Hasselblad's Phocus when the 907x arrives, meanwhile I've got On1 Photo RAW 2020 installed as well as FastRawViewer and one of the RawDigger versions. And RAW Power. Now to learn how to use Photos, RAW Power, and On1 for real.
Obviously, I'm in no hurry. Things proceed apace...
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I received this message today ...
... but is it safe ?
Bart ...
I updated my 27" iMac last night and ran the most current versions of Lightroom and Photoshop without problems.
Adobe sent updates for these programs yesterday that contained Catalina fixes
So far everything on my end is running fine.
Kind regards,
Darr
As far as Capture One is concerned my dealer told me today not to go to 10.15.2...they had been advised of issues apparently. 10.15.1 seems to be fine.
- now what ?
Bart ...
It breaks tethering apparently and there's no workaround at present.
Okidoki, I can live with that ...
Bart ...
So, I've been through all of the foundation course videos for On1 Photo RAW 2020. The software impresses me in many ways, but irritates me in others. The courseware is not particularly good ... It has little sense, to me, of building on the fundamentals and expanding your understanding of 1) how the app operates and 2) how to use it effectively in a good workflow ... It's too much "Oh and you can do this this way and it's really cool" rather than "here's what this does, and after you do that try this or that to get to the next step..."
The toolset is scattered (literally) all around the UI and not well organized in flow or order of use. I have spent a lot of time trying to remember which edge of the window to look at to find the next tool I need to use. Etc.
The long and the short of it is that I think it's a decent app but I'm not thrilled with the UI, the tutorials, or the workflow at this point, after four days of study and practice. It's not by any means intuitive or simple to get a simple task done. It seems to make some difficult tasks a bit easier if you're willing to forgo actually understanding the details and just slap a "style" on, then tweak that until you get something you like. But that's not the way I tend to work. I develop my own 'styles' from first rendering principles, and I need to understand how the app works in terms of where it's storing its information and what it's doing to my files.
The long and the short of it is that while I don't think On1 was wasted money, it's not getting the job I need done. Time to move on to the next contender and see whether it does me better.
Meanwhile, I actually have a couple of projects that need to be done now. I guess I can use Lightroom Classic for a couple of months and see whether it still works the way I expect. Of course, Adobe will do their damnedest to try to pull me into their Creative Cloud thing, which I have no use for whatever. Sigh.
I actually enjoy the challenge of all this, but there comes a point where I just want to my work done and stop futzing about with awkward tools. LR perpetual license did that for me for a very long time...
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To rub a little salt into the wounds of trying to find the right image processing software, my new mini has demonstrated a fault with its Bluetooth hardware. The exact same magic keyboard with extended function keys and magic trackpad 2 that have always worked flawlessly with the old mini sometimes will not pair at all, sometimes work perfectly, and sometimes just won't work worth a damn unless I plug them into the computer via USB. Very, very irritating. I did all the due diligence one can do at home with hardware and software diagnostics, reinstalled macOS twice (once with an install over and once with wiping storage completely first), and the system is now over at Apple for a new logic board and a new bluetooth sub-assembly. It's most likely a poor connection on the Bluetooth antenna. PITA!
Meanwhile, my old mini is running happily and, wonder of wonders, my decision to a) use LR Classic for a time and b) move my Catalogs folder (with all my LR catalogs) onto the working external drive means I can keep going on what I was doing by simply installing a fresh copy of LR Classic onto the old mini. Removing the antique version of Photoshop and Lightroom 6.14 perpetual along with the catalogs freed up 150 Gbytes of space on its boot drive. And since I've now been running on Catalina for two weeks and know exactly what to expect, I will install Catalina on this system as well ... no reason to keep it frozen to Mojave any more.
For this to work, I have to make the move to LR Classic on both systems because, of course, Adobe update the catalog database structure for LR Classic so any new work I did on that catalog is not compatible with LR 6.14 anymore. Sigh yet again.
Sometimes, practical realities of getting stuff done override any philosophical notions of doing things the way I want...
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"No matter where you go, there you are."
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Funny thing: Since doing the Catalina install, doing a bit of cleanup and housekeeping on the boot drive (basically deleting stuff that either no longer works or that I never use anyway), and tossing the old PSCS5 and LR6.14 for LR Classic, my old mini is running better than it has for a while. LR Classic works just like LR6.14, and all my old LR presets and such seem to work just as they used to. Still a darn fine little machine despite being 7+ years old.
It's just a little slow compared to the new mini when I toss it a big job to process. Hopefully the new mini will be back from the shop in a day or two.
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Thought I'd wrap this one up.
Apple replaced the motherboard and antenna sub-board. I reset everything, reinstalled Catalina and my stuff. No change. Another couple hours discussion with the good support folks at Apple and it remained unresolved. Ugh—it was looking like I would have to always used the trackpad and keyboard connected through USB.
That wasn't acceptable, so I decided to use some of my connections to see if I could find a better solution. One of my good buddies is pretty high up in hardware engineering at Apple, so I shot him a note describing what was going on and asked if he had a moment whether he could look into it. He came back to me two days later. "Try removing your USB3 hub entirely ... disconnect it and disconnect it from power."
I thought I'd tried that config but went at it anyway. I connected up the three critical external working/archive drives using USB-C to USB A dongles, other USB connections with the two USB ports directly, and beat on it for a couple of days. No problems with the trackpad and keyboard running Bluetooth connection! I sent him another note.
He "Yeah. USB3 and USB-C devices are electrically much more active in the RF domain than previous USB protocol devices (mostly due to the higher speeds and greater amperage available for power distribution), and with four USB-C and two USB3 ports, the 2018 mini is quite active if you're using several devices on the USB bus. The theory is that many older, poorly shielded USB3 hubs can emit enough RF in the Bluetooth frequency range to cause a problem, and sometimes you need higher-end shielded BT cables as well to eliminate problems if you have a complex configuration. Moving the hub and or devices further from the computer can help, but the best solution is likely to replace your older hub with a new one that will have better shielding."
That certainly seems to be the case with my configuration. A new Sabrent 10-port USB3 hub is on the way from B&H Photo now. The keyboard and trackpad run smoothly and cleanly on Bluetooth connection, etc.
The new six-core mini now works splendidly: Rendering one of my Light L16 files to full resolution DNG and JPEG output with Lumen, which used to take about 3-4 minutes, now takes about 15-20 seconds. Catalina seems to be rolling along with no issues.
Fun fun fun ...
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