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    Getting organised....

    Time to tackle the mess.... I suppose I am not alone in that respect, well, I would hope so So this thread is all about getting organised with your files.

    There is a lot involved when you have to deal from square one with data coming from a variety of cameras spanning over five years, and this is exactly where I am at.

    My plan is something like this:

    Main Programs I will use are:

    - Capture One
    - Lightroom
    - Photoshop

    Then there are a great many different little helpers such as Helicon Focus, Photomatix etc.

    My goal is to create a working structure that I stick with and that gives me the best possible future security.

    Where I feel a bit stressed is the thing about Capture one, Lightroom and Photoshop Integration. I know that I need to add Metadata on Import, which makes this easy for the future, but I am struggling with the structure of C1 and Lightroom and then Photoshop.

    Naming conventions are a matter of taste I guess, apart from basic rules that should not be broken, such as do not use space bar in your file name, and use lower case all the way, for example.

    Backup proceedures are also down to individual hardware solutions and flavours, but the basic structure ain't that easy to commit to considering x-cameras and at the moment three different programs in place, and who knows it might be five or more, well hopefully not.

    My current (only 4 hours old) conclusion is that I would be probably best advised to first do a search over my system for all photo files, regardless what camera was used, and whack them all into one folder. From there, because I chose Lightroom, create a new catalog which will contain everything, and start import procedures. Having said that, I am aware that I need to commit to a location/harddrive where the pictures will reside in the first place, and then stick to that. Later changes, are best to be performed from within lightroom.

    It is easy to start from scratch, but organising existing data into a new, still to be developed workflow, does cause me personally some headaches.

    I know, this is boring the daylight out of most people and I am certainly one of them, but I am at a point where my pictures become my assets, and I need to take that as serious as can be, to avoid a Super Gau in the future

    This is probably sounding pretty confused, and well, it reflects where I am at. Any opinions and insights from you folks are greatly appreciated.

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    Re: Getting organised....

    I was in the same position some time ago. I organised the pix into files by date or subject, imported into Lightroom, and added keywords. Boring ++, but you can't escape it.
    By all means use C1 or whatever to process files, but then keep them in a LR catalogue, so you can find them again.
    There are also programs that will search your drives for duplicates -- I found I had lots, but only after I'd imported them --you can either delete them, or move to different folders.
    Keep the pix on a dedicated drive; and get an automatic/semi-automatic back-up program to back up to a second drive.

    Peter Krogh's book -- The DAM book -- is very comprehensive, but was overkill for me.
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    Re: Getting organised....

    Quote Originally Posted by Georg Baumann View Post
    My current (only 4 hours old) conclusion is that I would be probably best advised to first do a search over my system for all photo files, regardless what camera was used, and whack them all into one folder. From there, because I chose Lightroom, create a new catalog which will contain everything, and start import procedures. Having said that, I am aware that I need to commit to a location/harddrive where the pictures will reside in the first place, and then stick to that. Later changes, are best to be performed from within lightroom.
    Georg, I've recently settled on a similar workflow:

    * Photo Mechanic (rating and keywording)
    * Lightroom (asset management, creating slideshows, etc)
    * Raw Developer (instead of Capture One) to create 16-bit PSDs
    * Photoshop (for final tweaking with Nik plugins and output to flat 16-bit TIF files for printing)

    My suggestion would be that, rather than "whacking them all into one folder", you use something like Bridge or Photo Mechanic to rate, keyword, then cull the images so that you're left with just the pictures that are worth further attention (and, perhaps, printing). The "rejects" can be archived to another hard drive and/or DVD, just in case you need to retrieve something at a later date.

    I copy the "selects" from Photo Mechanic into a "transit" folder and use Lightroom's watched folder facility, which automatically moves the selected images into their final location on the hard drive. The real advantage of this is that you don't have to manually import anything. As soon as a batch of selected images arrives in the watched transit folder, Lightroom simultaneously moves them into my "selects" folder and adds them to the "selects" catalog, with all the metadata intact.

    I guess this is classic Peter Krogh-style DAM, which may be overkill for Robert but proved to be a sanity-saver for me.

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    Re: Getting organised....

    I have my own historical method of storing files by date and job and was using it long before LR's library management came along, so I never adopted that feature in LR. Now enter C1, and its session import and job code integrated perfectly with my existing methodology. So now for me it is:

    1) C1 create job folder, and import-from-card or directly-shoot-to a session folder or folders as required

    2) Global edits inside C1

    2a) Rank and sort inside C1 as needed by number ranking, color flag or both

    3) Local edits in CS4, saving edited version back to C1 session output folder

    4) A few 3rd party programs are used: Helicon Focus, AutoPano Pro, DFine, Color FX Pro and Silver FX.

    * So for me personally, I have zero need for LR.
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    Re: Getting organised....

    Thanks for sharing gentlemen, i get back to that a little later ....

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    Re: Getting organised....

    It is really confusing to me. But I need to get my head around it and concentrate for a few days on nothing but that.

    My plan to use LR is becuase of it's abilities in keywording and more, something I believe C1 does not offer in terms of asset management.

    I am somewhat forced to C1 because of the alpha900 and phase one that I can use for the moment.

    I did not upgrade to CS4 but use CS3, mainly for denoise, sharpening plugins, and eventually some layer work.

    All these output and input folders and different versions of files are creating a mess here and I lost track because I did not apply a systematic approach to start with. I should really say, I am creating that mess!

    So it is down to zero, and I suppose best thing to do is to plan that on paper probably and then tackle one after the other problems I face in implementing it. Here is to hoping that I need to do that only once, and then religiously stick to a system. My excuse is good, until a few days ago, I did not have a propper working system, but this was replaced now and all excuses are gone with the old mac.

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    My primary tools are C1 and CS4 (I'm also now using Helicon Focus thanks to Jack). I use Bridge to keyword and rank and my own idea of keeping track of images both archival raw none processed and processed.

    I've used LR a couple times and frankly can't get my hands around it. I guess there's options that are nice to have but I just don't feel they're necessary to my workflow.

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    Re: Getting organised....

    I think I am a small step closer now.... I can not have Capture one deal with the naming convention I want to apply.

    Basically I plan this here (I got this from Seth Resnicks structure and I like it.) :

    yyyymmdd_original file name_custom text_ 4 digit sequence

    So, I was thinking, as I am dealing with files from five cameras, it appears to be efficient to have a single C1 output folder on my RAW drive, say C1 Export TIFF and there subfolder for each camera. Now this would be my oroginal files folder. Having said that, hmmm, I already converted them to TIFF here, and I wonder, would it be wise to keep the orginal RAW files or is that overkill?

    From there I need to learn how that works with a watched folder, and organise in LR. Sigh....

    As for ranking, that is another fish to fry.... I wonder whether I should do a basic ranking already in C1, and get rid of files I do not want to keep, and then do the final ranking in LR.

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    I've got my files organized my year then month then camera. I'll occasionally add place.

    E:/RAW
    E:/RAW/2009/June/06-06/Cambo
    E:/RAW/2009/June/06-06/1Ds 111

    or

    E:/RAW/2009/Sedona/1Ds III/06-14
    E:/RAW/2009/Sedona/Cambo/06-14, etc

    My archival is somewhat similar

    My processed images are saved by location first then after test printing onto my "Main Print Catalog" which is backed up on several duplicate drives.

    This system has worked well for me for several years. Then again I shoot mostly landscape. Any commercial work I do is save by client.

    All files are key worded and metadata saved while in bridge.

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    Well, I guess I'll throw out my process, just to be sociable. I would not call my process polished or well organized by many standards, but it works for me.

    First I'll say that I do not shoot events, so tools found in Aperture and LR are of little interest to me. I just don't go nuts with keywords and such. I do some, but I can find anything in my hard drives by my folder layout so it just feels like extra work (the keywording).

    My raw files are downloaded off the CF cards and placed into a folder for that particular outing or studio product shoot. I use Macs, so this is done at the Finder level, not via import by C1 or Bridge. I don't like any other software to touch my files until I have them in place on my hard drive and the backup drive. I copy the CF to two drives for this.

    The folder is named "20090629_Yosemite" as a means for ordering them and letting me know what's inside. These folders order very nicely by name in chronological order in my "Pictures" folder. I may have only the RAWs in that folder, or there may be more folders with separation such as "A", "B", etc. or maybe "day 1", "day 2", etc. nested inside as needed. If it's an extended outing I might break the outer folder into different dates, but this would normally only be for trips longer than three days. Also, if the outing had very different subject matter, like a half day of photographing a nearby town, I'd likely give that a separate folder (if there is some meaningful need for that separation).

    If they are Phase files I open the RAWs in C1 and set a couple of basic items that I always do to every file (ICC profile, copyright notice, etc.) to all. If they're Canon files I do this step in Bridge simply because I'm not using C1 for non-Phase files yet).

    Then I simply create an output folder inside of the above folder called something like "Yosemite Output" and use that for any RAW conversions or psd files, etc. Inside the "Yosemite Output" folder I may have other folders such as one for low resolution files, one for finalized print files, etc. I'm now saving all of my PS files as .psd again because of C1's style of naming their files as .tif to avoid confusion.

    I make note cards of a number of my images (though not so much anymore), so those output files go to a dedicated "NoteCards" folder in my "Pictures" folder with reference to the originals in the name of each and on the metadata. These are all final output files and are separated this way for easy access for frequent printing. This could be done by aliasing also, but I don't bother with that. The note cards are further separated by "landscape", "Thailand", "wildflowers", "wildlife", etc.

    Using the above convention allows me to navigate to files very easily by simply scanning via the Finder or using Spotlight. I typically open my Pictures folder in list view, scroll down to the year, see the folders from June, and open the one from the area I want. It does however require a little use of human memory, but I find that more efficient than trying to remember which keyword I might have applied.

    Note to add: I do not use the Mac OS "Pictures" folder which is part of the default user account. My image files are on a dedicated drive (mirrored to another and redundantly periodically cloned to a third), so the Pictures folder in the account section of the Finder windows is the one I set up for archiving.

    And for my images which I deem "keepers" – those which make it to print and web – are given more detailed meta data with additional copyright info, contact info, web url, etc. I tend to do this in PS (a template in File Info), and I may add some notes to remind me about print settings and such as well.

    I admire those who have a super organized workflow with the patience to apply useful meta data, etc. right from the beginning. But I find that I rarely have the patience to organize my files like a CPA (certified public accountant) before I dive in and start to process my RAWs.

    Edit: hahaha, I blathered on so long in my post that George and Don have moved on. George, I'm using Seth's naming scheme as well (at least partially), as I describe above.
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    Dale - I'd be the first to admit to having an anal approach to securing my files...

    My biggest fear is screwing up somehow and losing the file. That actually happened on the Alaska trip last year. I had worked this image up and somehow forgot to save it as a Tiff only saving as a small Jpeg that I posted here.

    I like knowing I have the original untouched RAW image (I do add metadata and keywords) to fall back on.

    I always carry at least 2 external drives with me and transfer the files at the end of each day. I'm luck that I have a kick a$$ laptop that allows me to see what I captured at the end of the day and know for sure I got it right. It's a simple matter for me to keyword and add to the metadata at the same time I'm viewing the days catch.

    Bottom line you have to do whatever works best for you otherwise you just won't do it.

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    That's right, Don. One has to find what works for they're style and mentality.

    As for protecting the originals: I'm a bit nutty. I try to keep the CFs with the originals until I get home. They're cheaper now, so that's easier than before. I also copy to hard drives on the road. When I get home I move them to my main Mac and archive them. I also burn a DVD of the RAWs if it was particularly successful outing. If I format the CF cards during the outing I will have made at least two copies and maybe a DVD.

    It's not that I consider my stuff so important, but just that I like to be the one to decide when and if to delete. Rather than a hardware glitch or a dullard moment of quitting without saving, etc.


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    Re: Getting organised....

    Very similar thoughts.

    This is also a major factor in my decision to upgrade my laptop this year. I spent a week in the California Redwoods getting great images everyday. I was occasionally using stacked focus only to find out my laptop didn't have enough horsepower to perform the work (and it was already max out on RAM). I didn't find out till I got home that I could have done a couple just a little bit better. Had I known at the time I could have easily returned the next day to re-shoot.

    Sorry for going off topic

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    Very interesting, yeah, loosing files... nightmare!

    Now that it is getting serious for me I can not even think about that without shivers down my spine.

    I bought a 2 TB external RAID-1 which I will use for secondary backups, and I thought it to be a good idea to keep one identical drive out of the house in the fireproof safe of my solicitor, may be rotating them every two weeks.

    Hehehe, I just remember when my parents wanted me to start collecting stamps and gave me a book full of it, just hopeless, I could not give a damn about these paper snippets, and organising them neatly around in folders and stuff. LOLOL Here I am 40 years later facing the same organisation stuff again, only now I care about the snippets.

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    Re: Getting organised....

    Now I am completly warped, the session stuff in C1 is confusing the Heck out of me.

    Ok there is the Folder called "Capture One Library" and so far I added everything to that folder. Now I read that about sessions and I am not sure whether I undersand that.

    At the moment I am having chaos. But what I intended to do is to create subfolders in the C1L "Capture One Library" Folder by camera used.

    But the whole session thing has me confused now. Do you create a new session for each shooting or what is that really about?

    I thought if I have something like:

    /volumes/raw/c1l/phaseone45+
    /volumes/raw/c1l/alpha900

    etc.

    And import pictures, regardless from card or harddrive, I could simply import them by date into the relevant subfolder.

    What am I missing about sessions?

    Sorry, but this is really confusing to me.

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    Re: Getting organised....

    Georg:

    You really need to get over the pond for a C1 lesson
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    Re: Getting organised....

    <....head resting on printout of c1 manual....:sleep006:....dreaming.... chasing Jack around the house shouting... It's all your fault %^&@!^$%!, stand still now and get some!>


    I am just too new in that whicked program with the tiny arrows and hidden menus.

    I wanted to crop something and used the crop tool, dragged around the area I wanted and clicked right ... nothing, pressed enter and another picture pops up...


    Ok, I shut up now, I am going to study that manual tomorrow and see how far I get.

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    Re: Getting organised....

    dammit.... already 2:30 am.... again...

    While I find this session stuff not very intuitive, I LOVE the Color editor, this is very slick and fun to punch selectively colors. If only the graphics could refresh smoother and quicker.

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    Oh Georg I feel your pain ...



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    Georg

    Check with Doug at Capture Integration as they offer on line course(s) for C1. Or attend Jack and Guy's next workshop and kill two birds at once

    Just an early morning thought...

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    Re: Getting organised....

    Georg:

    Several ways to look at it. The advantage of shooting to a session is the images are grouped together within a session. Once inside a session, you can have C1 create subfolders that will share the session's output, trash and move-to folders. You can also create a master Job folder, and have multiple sessions reside inside it. So a few options might be,

    1) Think of a session as a shoot within a job. In your National Park shoot, this may mean your job is the park itself, while each session is a day or specific location in the park.

    2) Think of the session as the whole job and then import (or shoot to) a bunch of subfolders inside the session. Here when you import, C1 offers a few different options for creating subfolders within a session, one of which is by date.

    3) Or a hybrid. Park is the job, session is a specific subject or location in the park, and if these sessions span multiple days, you could import or shoot to appropriate subfolders inside each session.

    Bottom line is it is very flexible depending on how you want to sort it all out, and can even move things around later. With some experience, you can merge sessions and/or subfolders, or even spin subgroups off, but this requires care and knowledge of how to find, name and move the respective sidecar data files without corrupting them.

    Finally, it is also fairly easy to copy your entire structure from one drive to another. So for example, when I'm in the field, I use my laptop and a portable external drive to house my images. These are stored using master, session and subfolders as required. Since C1 stores all associated data files together, I can copy that entire group of folders to my main desktop storage system and have full, uninterrupted access. When I open C1 on the main computer, I'll have to navigate to the appropriate session folder to open it, but when I do, any original edits, image adjustments, even session output, trash and move-to items are all just the way I left them on my laptop drive. I can even set that session as one of my favorites if I want. (Not sure LR handles moving between systems very well with its library structure -- ???)

    FWIW, almost all of the above are items we cover on our workshops during the C1 training modules.
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    You guys have no idea.... LOLOL I sat here until 3AM and again scine 9AM...

    Ok, here is my take after talking to phase one.

    They do NOT work with my XMP sidecar files from other cameras like Olympus etc, these XMP contain all the metadata. Hence an entire asset management system approach does not really work that way with C1.

    They even recommended to me not to use it for that purpose, apart from the lack of keywording. All this might come in future versions, and he thinks that certainly the XMP will be sorted, but at the moment this is no good to me.

    There are other, but but to me very relevant, aspects in C1 that I can not live with on a daily basis.

    Example: If I develop in C1 and I really should say I am not developing by numbers, but by visual reference, meaning I am not entering saturation +17, but move a slider and observe the picture changing.

    Are you with me?

    Now, in C1 this is extremly irritating and a deal breaker for me, you drag a slider and the picture blurs (this is a programming code issue) until you release the slider on a new parameter position, only then the picture is recalculated and refreshed on the screen. This is a clear

    Seriously, I could not look all day at blurred pictures and because of this, the whole notion of changing by slider in C1 is unsuable to me. Your mileage may vary, but I can not compromise on that part and find it very odd to say the least that this basic graphic routine handling is so bad.

    In LR and you will not see this happening, the picture does not blur on changing any paramters and the slider movement is smoothly represented with no delay and certainly not constantly refreshing the graphic.

    I understand now the session aspects and variants and so on. Remember? I slept on the manual.

    But this has no comparison to a propper SQL database structure. I am not saying that LR has no gaps to fill, they certainly do, but C1 can not substitute what LR offers by a long way.

    Having said that, there are very strong parts in C1 in terms of detail extraction, and while this is a very expensive exercise, I bought the pro version, mainly because of the alpha and of course phase one. Just, it is a pain in the butt to get that all integrated together with photoshop. This is what I am fighting at the moment. I think watched folders really might be the solution here, not sure yet.

    Ok, after all, you need to keep in mind that I am using C1 only a few hours now, but what I found missing already or irritating in workflow, is enough to make me decide not to have C1 at the core of my work. I wish it could be only a single program, but the reality is that we have to manage more than one.

    ....back to fighting data.... and time for a guiness, might ease the pain.

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    Re: Getting organised....

    For what it's worth I do the following.

    While shooting in the studio I'm using Leaf Capture (probably soon C1)
    When I did my selection everything is copied to a fileserver.

    From the fileserver everything is imported into Aperture on my photoshop Mac.
    Aperture is using the database on a separate drive.
    The files are stored on an external drive tower on e-SATA with 5 drives.
    The files are stored by year and one drive with final results.

    So when aperture would loose it's database or if I want to use something else I'm left with a nice structure on the drives.

    A second tower is connected once every 2-3 days and is a mirror from the first tower.

    Once every 2-3 weeks the fileserver is cleaned up, but by that time I have a good mirror backup and the files are delivered to the customer for the commercial work.

    Once a year a total backup is made and this is stored outside.

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    Re: Getting organised....

    Georg:

    I think it is Adobe that generates the XMP sidecar adjustment files for your other camera files via LR or ACR and it is not generated by the cameras themselves -- and correct, C1 won't read XMP sidecar files, so you need to make an entirely new set of adjustments for the raw.
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    Re: Getting organised....

    Frank, yeah, sounds somewhat solid to me. Never used aperture, and I am getting too old to use new software every six months or so.

    Jack, yup, XMP sidecar files are not created by camera, but added for metadata.

    I come to think, there is no perfect solution that can be implemented, just a perfect solution for anyones own needs, and that is highly individual. Having said that, propper backup strategies and naming conventions and seperation of files will help in either case.

    Your drobo is certainly something I look into at some stage.

    ....back to shoveling data

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    Re: Getting organised....

    Georg are you viewing at 100 percent to see changes when you are working with the sliders
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    (Not sure LR handles moving between systems very well with its library structure -- ???)
    Two things about that:

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    One feature is that you can take your entire picture catalog (1:1 previews) with you to Donegal and leave your pictures in Los Altos, say 50,000 pictures, hence the size is much smaller. While that means you can not do developing, you still can do keywording, metadata, create contacts sheets, create slide shows, and webgalleries on your flight to Donegal and when you are back home on your main maschine, synchronise it.

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    As for synchronising your laptop, say you worked outside and shot files, worked on files on your laptop, metadata, developments etc. You export/copy then your laptop catalog, images and rendered previews to a harddrive of your choice.

    On your maincoputer you open LR with your usual catalog of pictures then choose import from catalog and choose the just exported one.

    A variety of options to fine tune that are available.

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    Georg are you viewing at 100 percent to see changes when you are working with the sliders
    This in deed was the first thing he asked me, but this was not the case Guy. It might be that this does not apply for smaller screens, but I tried it on my 24 Eizo and it was the same. He tried it as well, and confirmed it. The view slider was to the very left, FIT.

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    Re the blurring -- yes the preview blurs during the exposure and color slider adjustments, but you can still see the gross effect of the slider and it sharpens as soon as you let go of the slider. Note too that you can use the up and down arrow keys to adjust one point at a time.

    Further, the preview does not blur when you are sliding the sharpening or NR sliders, only the exposure and color sliders...
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    Re: Getting organised....

    It also takes a second or two to regenerate the correct preview. Something you have to get used too.
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    Hmmm, it's virtually instant on my desktop and I don't recall any inordinate preview delay on my laptop...
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    Re: Getting organised....

    It does affects all these sliders here:

    exposure, contrast, brightness, saturation, shadow, highlights, kelvin, tint, smoothness, hue rotation, saturation, lightness.

    but not...

    sharpening, noise, clarity and moire

    Pretty sure this is a hint for the coders behind C1... if you happen to know them, you could just drop that info on their desk if you want.

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    Side Rant....

    Geeeze, looking since ages now how to do that in the Finder, which I thought is the "file management" of OSX.... DOH!

    I dont believe it, you have to use the terminal to compare and highlight the delta between two directories.

    Heck, I did that already in Norton Commander when windows was onyly a wet dream of Bill Gates.

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    Georg:

    I hear what you're saying, and I'm sure they're on it already. But frankly I have never really been that bothered by it -- I mean I can get those sliders all properly set on the blurred preview regardless.

    (In fact, having it blurred kind of removes the micro image detail from the decision and forces it more to the macro or global perspective, but I'm not going to go so far as to call it a feature!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    (In fact, having it blurred kind of removes the micro image detail from the decision and forces it more to the macro or global perspective, but I'm not going to go so far as to call it a feature!)


    Some developers might though...

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    pheew... 2007 imported and now ranking.... Keywords over time.

    This here is 1 star =just about made it and blue for landscapes.

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