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Then you certainly won't be disappointed :>))My main reason for liking the S2 is its shape .
Most likely for the very same reason the camera has been delayed, i.e. probably still some unsolved problems, would be my best guess(snip) My serious question is why does Leica insist that files from its S2 camera be secret? (snip)
Well, it might be Steen's reason (more work to be done - and I quite agree with him if that's the case). But they were very happy for preprod files from the M9 to be published . . . just not until the camera was shipping, so it would be entirely consistent for them to say the same this time.My serious question is why does Leica insist that files from its S2 camera be secret?
Yes Mark definitely the fill of the S2 (with the Grip on) fills AMAZINGLY WELL in your hands, I'm a little guy, but have very Big hands, so I really like Big Grips on Cameras, and the Canon 1D series fit well in my hands, but the S2 is in a class of its on as far as ergonomics.Then you certainly won't be disappointed :>))
BTW, I see you have a P30+ for sale over at LumLand.
Hopefully, you haven't changed your mind in anticipation of the S2 ?
FYI, I got to use an S2 a couple of weeks ago but agreed not to share
images as the body/lens was preprod.
I can say, though, that the camera, ergonomically, was the best 'feeling'
medium format camera I've ever owned/used maybe with the exception
of the Mamiya 7 but that is sort of in a different class.
S2 files were excellent but, objectively, no better, no worse than
anything I have from equivalent Phase,Leaf,or Hasselblad backs from the
last 5 years.
Mark
www.marktomalty.com
I was only half kidding. I know what an NDA is, and I understand that people limited by one can't publish embargoed information. My serious question is why does Leica insist that files from its S2 camera be secret? They claim the camera is essentially finished, that production changes require another delay. Surely they aren't making changes to the camera or its firmware? That's not what they're saying in their most recent delay explanation.
The slightest negative thing in an image is likely to blow out of all proportion.Certainly this would be one consideration but with the number of
prototypes and Leica allied testers of the S2 in circulation surely there
must be a handful of RAWs Leica could be willing to release to
satisfy those curious and/or considering the system.
These files could hardly do any more damage than adamantly declaring
the product shipping in the summer of 2009,then the autumn, and now
the winter. No?
They've been announced but not delayed yet.So, where are the test photos from the new Phase/Schneider lenses?
Mark
? I was asking for photos, not lenses. There is a lot of demand in this forum/thread for photos from the S2, and some talk of Leica not being able to deliver on time, and some sales therefore going to Phase and the new LS lenses. However, the new Phase lenses are not ready either, and no photos are being released, other than the 80mm. Are there two separate standards at work here? Why is no one demanding test photos from the new Phase lenses? When are the lenses coming? Before the Leica S2?They've been announced but not delayed yet.
How about delaying the verdict as well ...(snip) Shame on Leica! (snip)
How do YOU know they are 'not able to' couldn't it possibly be that they 'don't choose to'. Just like there were no released images from the M9 until the day it was shipping.The issue I see is, that Leica claims since the announcement of the S System the S2 IQ would be superior to anything else.
They are still not able to show any images in RAW (DNG) - not even images which are taken under perfect conditions, lightning etc.
Do you know this?I argue that these images must be available and the simply are not shown, because the IQ is not better or even equal to Hassi 39 or 50 backs or Phase 45, 40 or 65 Plus backs.
Surely they should be allowed to organise their launch the way they see fit. If the IQ isn't good enough, then we will know soon enough.Shame on Leica! At least they should be careful when announcing things how to do wording and phrasing. And also on their rare customer / press events
I'm afraid that I Had to Cry today about Leica's late delivery, and now I Can't Find My Way Home. . . . Well Alright, in the Presence of the Lord the new S2 is likely to put us all into a Sea of Joy. . . . .Sheesh. All this is just so much speculation. Isn't anyone else besides me encouraged by the surprise of the M9 and its apparently smooth and tasty implementation? I find that to be very reassuring and helps me believe Leica knows what they're doing. Maybe I'm simply smitten by Blind Faith (an outstanding band!).
Ha! A fan I see. I'll continue to believe that the S2 will NOT be Born Under A Bad Sign!I'm afraid that I Had to Cry today about Leica's late delivery, and now I Can't Find My Way Home. . . . Well Alright, in the Presence of the Lord the new S2 is likely to put us all into a Sea of Joy. . . . .
Oh yes, and I quite agree with you on all counts
Agreed, outstanding, but not the Cream of the crop.Maybe I'm simply smitten by Blind Faith (an outstanding band!).