The GetDPI Photography Forum

Great to see you here. Join our insightful photographic forum today and start tapping into a huge wealth of photographic knowledge. Completing our simple registration process will allow you to gain access to exclusive content, add your own topics and posts, share your work and connect with other members through your own private inbox! And don’t forget to say hi!

FrankenKamera VIII is operational and ready to go!

Audii-Dudii

Active member
It's not cosmetically finished nor finely adjusted to perfection, but it's fully operational:



The bare FrankenKamera VIII is built around the rear standard of a Toyo VX23D, weighs 1 lb., 7.8 ounces, has a rotating camera mount, and provides +/- 15 mm of rear rise / fall movement, which is plenty both for my purposes and the image circle the lens projects.

Infinity focus is maxing out at ~200 feet, so the FFD will need to be further tweaked by a few thousands of an inch, and there's a creaking noise I hear occasionally that isn't very confidence inspiring, but otherwise, it's good to go.

Unfortunately, I twisted my ankle on yesterday morning's outing, so it will be another day or two before I'm able to undertake a proper outing with it ... sigh.
 

Audii-Dudii

Active member
Monday Update: The lens now focuses at infinity with the focus ring set at the infinity mark. The creaking noise was traced to a loose lens panel clamp screw on the lower left side. After it was tightened slightly, the creaking noise disappeared. :)

Unfortunately, my ankle is still a bit swollen and walking on it remains mildly uncomfortable, so I'm still another day or two away from the FK VIII's first, formal outing. :cautious:
 

Audii-Dudii

Active member
A few minor details have now been addressed, the final adjustments have all been tweaked, and the cosmetic finishing touches have all been applied.

Front view:


As it turns out, I like having the lens mounted at a 22.5 degree offset. Because it makes it easier for me to read the lens markings when my tripod is at full height. Unfortunately, this means the OEM petal-style hood doesn't work anymore because the petals no longer align properly with the sensor. But this is okay, as I prefer to use a compendium hood and my next project is modifying a Mamiya G3 compendium hood I have on hand to mount on the 82 mm filter thread, as well as knock a few ounces off by replacing some aluminum bits with carbon fiber and adding a few speed holes and dimples.

Note how the camera and lens are neatly balanced over the mounting plate. This was intentional -- isn't math great?! -- although, of course, it will only remain true for lenses that weigh about the same as the P645 33-45/f4.5 zoom.

Rear view:


The little box in the hot shoe is the so-called "wireless" receiver for the remote shutter release. I ran the wire underneath the body and secured it with a screw and flat washer in the tripod mounting hole.

Side view:


By loosening the button-head screw in the center of the mount, I can rotate the camera from horizontal to vertical orientation. To insure the camera remains mounted securely, I used my drill press as a poor-man's mill (I know I shouldn't do this, but it was the only option I had) and made two short slots in the side of the reverse ring so the adjustment screw can lock into it when it's oriented correctly, which -- fingers crossed! -- will prevent the body from falling off. (By using slots instead of holes, there is a small amount of adjustment possible so I can level the camera body before I tighten the screw.)

The screw that's visible on the top of the camera is a physical guide I can use to determine by feel when the body is at the neutral position (i.e., zero rise / fall movement.) As you can see in the photo below, the neutral position is at the 15 mm mark on the scale, which is the midpoint of n the +/- 15 mm range of rear rise / fall movement that's available.

This is an important feature because I prefer to operate the camera by feel alone. After I finish taking a photo, I can reset the camera body to its neutral position by simply placing my finger on the screw and adjusting the rear rise / fall movement until I feel the top of the lens panel is level with it.

Grip clearance:


Although it appears there is plenty of clearance between the grip and the geared upright -- and at this point, there is! -- once the camera body moves down ~5 mm, the front command dial clears the upright by roughly .004", which is about the thickness of a typical sheet of copier paper. This is also the reason why I offset the camera body and lens by 1.4 mm, as this was necessary to move the deepest part of the grip slightly further to the side to gain some additional clearance. Clearly, for my purposes, the deep grips used on many modern camera bodies are not only unnecessary and useless, they're actually an obstacle that I have to overcome!

When I started this project, my preliminary measurements and calculations suggested that I'd have just enough clearance for the grip, but I ended up cutting it even closer than I originally thought would be the case. This was the reason I decided to use Pentax 645 lenses, because they have an FFD of 70.87 mm, whereas Mamiya 645 lenses have an FFD of 63.3 mm and my much-loved Contax 645 lenses have an FFD of 64 mm, both of which are too short to accommodate by adapting off-the-shelf parts. While it's not impossible to accommodate these lenses, it will require having custom lens mounts machined, which are beyond what I can make with the resources I have available and the low budget I set for this project.

So that's it for now. I do have a few minor updates in mind when it comes time to create a Mk II version and I'm contemplating a related project that will let me to use my film-era, 35 mm lenses (Minolta MD, Contax/Yashica, Nikon Ai) with the 100S body in 35 mm mode, but there's no urgency at the moment to begin work on either one.
 
Last edited:

vjbelle

Well-known member
Looks great!! I wish (this is a dream) that one of the manufacturers - Sony/Fuji - would make a camera with the sensor almost even with the mount. Various extensions both dumb and smart could be made for lenses of almost any FFD and adapters could be made for the camera to mount on technical cameras (more than likely the current mounts for Cambo/Arca could be used). For instance the current 100s has the sensor at a depth of 27mm but the sensor could be placed at any depth with the extension adapter providing the needed depth for lenses. With the sensor 3 to 4mm behind the mount LF wides could be utilized. That would probably be the last nail in the coffin for Phase DBs. The only major advantage Phase backs have is for wides. As I said it's a dream....

Victor B.
 
Last edited:

ThdeDude

Active member
I wish (this is a dream) that one of the manufacturers - Sony/Fuji - would make a camera with the sensor almost even with the mount.
Yes, would be neat if Fujifilm would introduce a DB version of their GFX cameras for us technical camera people.
 

Audii-Dudii

Active member
Looks great!! I wish (this is a dream) that one of the manufacturers - Sony/Fuji - would make a camera with the sensor almost even with the mount. Various extensions both dumb and smart could be made for lenses of almost any FFD and adapters could be made for the camera to mount on technical cameras (more than likely the current mounts for Cambo/Arca could be used). For instance the current 100s has the sensor at a depth of 27mm but the sensor could be placed at any depth with the extension adapter providing the needed depth for lenses. With the sensor 3 to 4mm behind the mount LF wides could be utilized. That would probably be the last nail in the coffin for Phase DBs. The only major advantage Phase backs have is for wides. As I said it's a dream....
Although it uses Sony's older 50 MP sensor, the Hasselblad CFV II 50C has many of the features you want (and it wouldn't be too difficult for Hasselblad to incorporate the rest of them, either!)

Although I have no plans to do so often, one nice thing about my setup is that I can use my 100S on a tripod with a tech cam body one minute and handheld as a walkaround camera the next minute. By limiting myself to using only SLR lenses, I do forfeit a small amount of performance but in return, I gain simplicity -- I don't need to fabricate or accommodate a focusing mechanism -- and a long-ish FFD which is less demanding of the sensor because the light rays it projects are typically more telecentric than those projected by LF-type wide-angle lenses. Plus the relatively high volume of cameras Fuji sells makes it possible to price them more attractively than a DB-type camera sold in low volume.

For me and my purposes, these three factors are all significant benefits over using a camera with a similar sensor in DB form, but I understand that your needs and preferences may differ from mine, so YMMV!
 

vjbelle

Well-known member
This is very sad news. He corresponded with me numerous times regarding my Actus and his projects. RIP....

Victor B.
 

LonnaTucker

Member
Very sad to hear about Jeff.

I’m not sure I am allowed to post a link here, but will try.

This is posted by Francesco Fragomeni, a friend and fellow classmate of Jeff, who met at RodK‘s View Camera class at SCC. After all the passing years, Francesco and Jeff remained friends with mutual interests in hacking large format cameras. Francesco moved to ultra large formats and has an interesting accounting of his projects on Instagram.
 

jng

Well-known member
Very sad to hear about Jeff.

I’m not sure I am allowed to post a link here, but will try.

This is posted by Francesco Fragomeni, a friend and fellow classmate of Jeff, who met at RodK‘s View Camera class at SCC. After all the passing years, Francesco and Jeff remained friends with mutual interests in hacking large format cameras. Francesco moved to ultra large formats and has an interesting accounting of his projects on Instagram.
Such a tragedy. Thank you for sharing this lovely tribute.

John
 
Top