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Fun with the Hasselblad 907x

Charles2

Member
Maybe the wrong thread, but what kind of DAM software or workflow can handle .fff and dng files?
Wanna still using C1 for what was and Phocus for the fff but some where I have to organize them together.
Would it serve your purpose if you start the .3fr file in Phocus which automatically creates the .fff, export a .tif, store the .fff in a repository folder, then import the .tif into LR and do the rest of the processing from there? In other words, how often do you think you would go back to the .fff for an alternative start?
 

usm

Member
Would it serve your purpose if you start the .3fr file in Phocus which automatically creates the .fff, export a .tif, store the .fff in a repository folder, then import the .tif into LR and do the rest of the processing from there? In other words, how often do you think you would go back to the .fff for an alternative start?
That’s what I was thinking. I was also looking at photo mechanic, but no fff support.
I am on the way to change to a 907x. The only thing what keep me away are the fff files - no free choice of software.
 

MoJo

Registred Users
I'm still in the "play and learn" phase of ownership with the Hasselblad 907x. One amusing thought that came to me the other day was "What if I fit the Leica M to Hasselblad X adapter, and then stick the Skink Pinhole with Zone Plate f/71 disk on it?" I wondered how the Live View and electronic shutter would work.

I set the camera up and looked at the LCD. Hmm. ISO 3200 and I can only see things if I'm out in sunlight. Eshutter limited to 1 second exposures … Oh well, I'll just use Bulb. And, eh?, all the exposures are going to be several if not tens of seconds, let's just try hand-held… LOL!

So off I went around the condo looking at Things In Place… Most exposures were between 3 and 8 seconds, many were simply discarded, but I found six out of the bunch that I thought were amusing enough to show. And then I thought, "These are way too low-fi to present in a big image … they kinda look like Polaroid shots in a way … Hmm, I can use the Shake-It Photo app on the iPhone to work them into a Polaroid SX-70 frame …" So I did.


Click on photo to see the rest of the gallery - Six photos total.


Don't laugh at me too much. :)

enjoy!
G

"Only the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do."
These are actually quite wonderful!
 

SrMphoto

Member
That’s what I was thinking. I was also looking at photo mechanic, but no fff support.
I am on the way to change to a 907x. The only thing what keep me away are the fff files - no free choice of software.
Since Photo Mechanic uses only embedded JPG, AFAIK, you may be better off using FastRawViewer instead.
 

spb

Well-known member
...having some fun :)

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Interesting picture Olaf, the distance between the Control Grip and camera looks quite a lot in that image. I should imagine that feels wierd until one gets used to it. Particularly as the battery door opens rearwards.
 

olafphoto

Administrator
Staff member
This is exactly what I thought when I attached the grip but...it actually work beautifully because you can hug the grip with your fingers all around it. This way you can hold the camera with a lot of confidence. I like it a lot.
 

fmueller

Member
New to Hasselblad digital Just received the 907x and a few lenses. The ability to put the CVF50II on my Cambo tech cam nudged me over the line to make the decision..

My question is workflow.

For the past few years I have been running Capture One side by side with Lightroom serving as asset manager (and occasional raw developer). Capture One is my tool of choice, but I've always been more confident of Lightroom's catalog management. I've got Lightroom processing skills but have simply preferred C1. But C1 doesn't directly support the Hassy raw formats (Boo on you Phase 1!)

I've fiddled with Phocus. It is not a C1 replacement. I'm still befuddled with the whole import/export paradigm that Phocus uses and just don't see the point--along with Hassy raw files coming in two different flavors, one processed out the other not. The fact that I can't download files from an SD card and have Phocus place the files into my year/month/day organized file arrangement (and then letting me edit them in place) is maddening. Am I missing something?

It's starting to look like Lightroom is going to be my starting point with the Hasselblad raw making special trips to C1 or Phocus as needed. It is disappointing on many levels. Having to produce 300+mb tiff files from the 3fr or fff raw file to enable Capture One processing is a non-starter.

I'm wondering what workflows you all have settled on with your Hasselblad files. I tried searching the forum and couldn't really find any threads from the last year or two addressing this topic.

I'm trying to not reinvent the wheel.

I appreciate hearing what works for you.

Thanks,

Fred
 

spb

Well-known member
Fred I think you are missing something. re "The fact that I can't download files from an SD card and have Phocus place the files into my year/month/day organized file arrangement (and then letting me edit them in place) is maddening. Am I missing something?"

If you double-click any 3FR file, Phocus will open with an import screen, and there you can indeed choose exactly where your resulting FFF files go to.
 

usm

Member
Looking forward to seeing other”s solutions. Coming from C1 and thinking to change from Leica M to 907xCVFii50c (is there another short name).
My theoretical approach is to use Phocus for the fff files and to import 8bit TIF files into my C1 master catalog. If I need a perfect print version I would go back into Phocus.
 

Godfrey

Well-known member
Looking forward to seeing other”s solutions. Coming from C1 and thinking to change from Leica M to 907xCVFii50c (is there another short name).
My theoretical approach is to use Phocus for the fff files and to import 8bit TIF files into my C1 master catalog. If I need a perfect print version I would go back into Phocus.
Just call it the 907x. There's no need to articulate what back is on the camera, since there's only one back that will work with it. :)

New to Hasselblad digital Just received the 907x and a few lenses. The ability to put the CVF50II on my Cambo tech cam nudged me over the line to make the decision..

My question is workflow.

For the past few years I have been running Capture One side by side with Lightroom serving as asset manager (and occasional raw developer). Capture One is my tool of choice, but I've always been more confident of Lightroom's catalog management. I've got Lightroom processing skills but have simply preferred C1. But C1 doesn't directly support the Hassy raw formats (Boo on you Phase 1!)

I've fiddled with Phocus. It is not a C1 replacement. I'm still befuddled with the whole import/export paradigm that Phocus uses and just don't see the point--along with Hassy raw files coming in two different flavors, one processed out the other not. The fact that I can't download files from an SD card and have Phocus place the files into my year/month/day organized file arrangement (and then letting me edit them in place) is maddening. Am I missing something?

It's starting to look like Lightroom is going to be my starting point with the Hasselblad raw making special trips to C1 or Phocus as needed. It is disappointing on many levels. Having to produce 300+mb tiff files from the 3fr or fff raw file to enable Capture One processing is a non-starter.

I'm wondering what workflows you all have settled on with your Hasselblad files. I tried searching the forum and couldn't really find any threads from the last year or two addressing this topic.

I'm trying to not reinvent the wheel.

I appreciate hearing what works for you.
I've never gotten on with C1 at all, so that's no option for me for anything. It doesn't support Hasselblad files? No surprise to me. I can't make it do anything I want to do with any ease at all. :(

Lightroom (LR; now Lightroom Classic) has been my standard tool for image rendering and image archive management since 2006. I've tried nearly everything else on the market and so far not seen much benefit one way or the other, and LR's Print module is about the best around for my use.

Phocus Mobile 2 works beautifully on my iPad Pro 11", for both tethered control of the 907x and for image processing afterwards. After I finish a rendering, I move the completed work and the original raw file to my desktop system and bring it into LR for management purposes.

Phocus on macOS still confuses me a bit. I'm learning, and have produced some very nice results with it, but it is still a bit of a struggle. As a result, I tend to just import from the SD card to LR and do the work there unless I'm in a learning moment, most of the time. My LR workflow is complete, efficient, produces excellent results, and doesn't need to change at all to handle the 907x files.

Whatever works for you is best. :)

G
 

Joe Colson

Well-known member
I don't use C1 or Phocus. I import the 3FR files into Lightroom and manage my catalog there. I use the LR Develop module to process the RAW files, and make the round trip to PS if necessary. PS outputs a TIFF (or PSD or JPEG or...) file that is automatically stored in the same folder as the RAW file, so file management is once again simple. I'm not a fan of Phocus, and C1 continues to stiff-arm Hasselblad, as you pointed out.

Joe
 

nameBrandon

Active member
I don't use C1 or Phocus. I import the 3FR files into Lightroom and manage my catalog there. I use the LR Develop module to process the RAW files, and make the round trip to PS if necessary. PS outputs a TIFF (or PSD or JPEG or...) file that is automatically stored in the same folder as the RAW file, so file management is once again simple. I'm not a fan of Phocus, and C1 continues to stiff-arm Hasselblad, as you pointed out.

Joe
My approach is roughly the same. I create a folder for each import, then I use a program prior to LR to rename/cull/rate quickly. After that it's all into LR for processing and export to PS if needed.

There are two times I use Phocus..

1 - Shooting tethered.. and then when done, I just copy off the .fff's and use my standard approach above for editing.
2 - An LCC correction with Lightroom's Flat Field tool looks "off", then I'll then give it a go in Phocus.
 

fmueller

Member
I don't use C1 or Phocus. I import the 3FR files into Lightroom and manage my catalog there. I use the LR Develop module to process the RAW files, and make the round trip to PS if necessary. PS outputs a TIFF (or PSD or JPEG or...) file that is automatically stored in the same folder as the RAW file, so file management is once again simple. I'm not a fan of Phocus, and C1 continues to stiff-arm Hasselblad, as you pointed out.

Joe
This seems the way I'm headed. For quite a while Phase One disallowed Fuji GFX support in C1 but eventually relented, perhaps not seeing the 44x33 market as a direct threat. But with Hassy offering 53x40 sensors in the H6 line using the same 3fr and fff raw files I'm not sure Phase One is going to relent unless they figure out that C1 support isn't going to cannibalize Phase One MFDB and XF sales. To be honest, if the price to use Capture One is a Phase One MFDB, I'm a little put off by that alone. And I had a Credo 60 which kinda got me into Capture One and even though its "free" with a Leaf Credo or Phase MFDB, I paid for a full version to work with my other cameras.

Yesterday I worked a file, processing it separately in Lightroom, Phocus and Capture One. I picked the one I liked best initially and then tweaked the other two to match. And I matched them pretty darn close and honestly, I can't tell you which version I preferred over the other, they were all really nice--I never even took them to Photoshop.

So, for simplicity sake, I think I'm going to be spending more time in Lightroom again.


My approach is roughly the same. I create a folder for each import, then I use a program prior to LR to rename/cull/rate quickly. After that it's all into LR for processing and export to PS if needed.

There are two times I use Phocus..

1 - Shooting tethered.. and then when done, I just copy off the .fff's and use my standard approach above for editing.
2 - An LCC correction with Lightroom's Flat Field tool looks "off", then I'll then give it a go in Phocus.
The wireless tethering is really nice with Phocus. I've tried using other "connected" apps with Fuji and Leica. Phocus just works, every time without fuss, unlike the Fuji and Leica apps.

I'm using the HR40 and HR70 primarily on the tech cam and my initial impression is that LR flat field correction does a good job, I will have to do a closer compare with the Phocus scene calibration when the weather stops being so nice.:)

Trying not get bogged down in front of a computer screen...
 

nameBrandon

Active member
The wireless tethering is really nice with Phocus. I've tried using other "connected" apps with Fuji and Leica. Phocus just works, every time without fuss, unlike the Fuji and Leica apps.

I'm using the HR40 and HR70 primarily on the tech cam and my initial impression is that LR flat field correction does a good job, I will have to do a closer compare with the Phocus scene calibration when the weather stops being so nice.:)

Trying not get bogged down in front of a computer screen...
Agreed, when in the field with the tech cam I bring the iPad and tethering works great, very stable and easy to use with Phocus. In the studio I use the desktop version via USB and it works just as well.

I've found the same with the 40HR and LCC correction via flat field, 95% of the time it does what I need it to! When I had the SK 35XL I think Phocus may have done a bit better of a job than LR Flat Field, but that lens had a much stronger color cast at extreme shift range, the 40HR does much better in that regard.
 

Charles2

Member
... The fact that I can't download files from an SD card and have Phocus place the files into my year/month/day organized file arrangement (and then letting me edit them in place) is maddening.
You could move all the files on the SD card into a folder that serves as a receiving dock. Next, I take it that you need a program or simple procedure that moves the files into subfolders based on year, sub-subfolders based on month, and one more level to date.

You might put this search string into DuckDuckGo or another search engine: move files into year month day subfolders
It brings up several promising answers worth your looking into.
 
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KlausJH

Member
I work entirely with C1 once the files were imported with Phocus. My workflow is as follows (works only on macOS):
The image import with Phocus goes to a folder ~/pictures/HasselbIadC1 and the .fff files get immediately exported to the same folder as .dng files.
Now there are .fff and .dng files from the same image in the same folder.
In C1s script folder I have installed the following applescript:
do shell script "/usr/local/bin/exiftool -overwrite_original -make='HasselbIad' -m /users/kjh/pictures/HasselbIadC1"
display dialog "finished" buttons {"OK"} default button 1 with icon note
do shell script "rm -rf /users/kjh/pictures/HasselbIadC1/*.fff"

Before the .dng files can be imported to C1, this script needs to run from C1s script menu.
The applescript replaces the Exif maker note "Hasselblad" with "HasselbIad" (note the second "l" is a upper case "i") and then deletes all .fff files.
I keep the .3fr files on the second sd card and archive them separately when necessary.
Unfortunately Phocus does not support applescript, otherwise it could be further simplified. Even better, I wished Phase One would give up blocking the import when the maker note is "Hasselblad".
 
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