Yellowish neutrals and cyan blues... ?
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Fun with X1D
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I just mounted a Nikon SB-700 on my X1D and set the flash to manual and the exposure on manual. When I depressed the shutter button, I heard a click and the flash fired immediately. There did not appear to be any lag in the firing of the flash, and the exposure taken by the camera certainly reflected the lighting from the flash. Now, after the initial click when the shutter is depressed and the flash fires, there is a quick second click and then a third click. I don't know exactly what the second and third clicks are about, but it certainly seems to me that, if the flash is firing immediately when the shutter is depressed, any shutter lag on the X1D is pretty imperceptible.
I am not a flash guy, so anyone who does understand flash, please feel free to tell me this little test is flawed if in fact it is.
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MomentsForZen
New member
Hi there.
My many thanks to those who commented on the GPS "reality". It is good to read that Hasselblad are being up-front and quite informative about the alternate arrangement, and even trying to put a positive spin on it. (Though, they actually HAD to do something or be subject to misrepresentation - the taking of orders subject to written information regarding what the buyer was getting and then not delivering.)
Turning to the "look" of the images posted here, and the resolution ... Am I missing something? There is nothing different about the X1D IQ to that coming out of the CFV-50c or H5D-50c? The sensors are the same, and the light that passes through the camera on its way to the same sensor doesn't pick up a little label that lets it know that it is coming from an X1D-50c, CFV-50c or H5D-50c? It does depend on the nature of the lenses, so differences in IQ of the X1D relative to CFV-50c or H5D-50c says something about the XCD lenses? Again, am I missing anything in the above?
I like that people's personal tastes vary with respect to saturation, tone etc. (i.e., the interpretation of the RAW files according to taste), but this doesn't allow comment on fundamental IQ. Others have noted the same already in this thread.
... MomentsForZen (Richard)
My many thanks to those who commented on the GPS "reality". It is good to read that Hasselblad are being up-front and quite informative about the alternate arrangement, and even trying to put a positive spin on it. (Though, they actually HAD to do something or be subject to misrepresentation - the taking of orders subject to written information regarding what the buyer was getting and then not delivering.)
Turning to the "look" of the images posted here, and the resolution ... Am I missing something? There is nothing different about the X1D IQ to that coming out of the CFV-50c or H5D-50c? The sensors are the same, and the light that passes through the camera on its way to the same sensor doesn't pick up a little label that lets it know that it is coming from an X1D-50c, CFV-50c or H5D-50c? It does depend on the nature of the lenses, so differences in IQ of the X1D relative to CFV-50c or H5D-50c says something about the XCD lenses? Again, am I missing anything in the above?
I like that people's personal tastes vary with respect to saturation, tone etc. (i.e., the interpretation of the RAW files according to taste), but this doesn't allow comment on fundamental IQ. Others have noted the same already in this thread.
... MomentsForZen (Richard)
eleanorbrown
New member
Richard I never expected a unique "look" from my X1D....only smaller and lighter! Ever since I shot medium format film (Hasselblad, Mamiya7II, And Fuji too) and then my various Phase One backs from P25 up to P65+, I have been enamored with medium format smoothness and creamy feel of the files and that is what I look for in the X1D. I usually try to shoot at lowest ISO (and low asa in the case of film) as I don't like any grain or noise. I also like the natural color on the new X1D. So in short I never expected this camera to be unique in look, but only have characteristics of past cameras I liked in a smaller package and much much simpler menu system.
Also I have done more comparing of files processed in Phocus and LR and the differences are so subtle I may, in the long run, end up using LR. I do think Hasselblad must have been working with Lightroom folks to get Phocus look in LR.
Eleanor
Also I have done more comparing of files processed in Phocus and LR and the differences are so subtle I may, in the long run, end up using LR. I do think Hasselblad must have been working with Lightroom folks to get Phocus look in LR.
Eleanor
Hi there.
My many thanks to those who commented on the GPS "reality". It is good to read that Hasselblad are being up-front and quite informative about the alternate arrangement, and even trying to put a positive spin on it. (Though, they actually HAD to do something or be subject to misrepresentation - the taking of orders subject to written information regarding what the buyer was getting and then not delivering.)
Turning to the "look" of the images posted here, and the resolution ... Am I missing something? There is nothing different about the X1D IQ to that coming out of the CFV-50c or H5D-50c? The sensors are the same, and the light that passes through the camera on its way to the same sensor doesn't pick up a little label that lets it know that it is coming from an X1D-50c, CFV-50c or H5D-50c? It does depend on the nature of the lenses, so differences in IQ of the X1D relative to CFV-50c or H5D-50c says something about the XCD lenses? Again, am I missing anything in the above?
I like that people's personal tastes vary with respect to saturation, tone etc. (i.e., the interpretation of the RAW files according to taste), but this doesn't allow comment on fundamental IQ. Others have noted the same already in this thread.
Eleanor, I completely agree with you but I think Richard is in agreement with you as well. I think he was responding to several comments suggesting that files from the X1D had a fundamentally different look...excessive contrast and saturation... from files out of the H5D and the H6D with the same 50mp sensor.
Awesome Joe. When I pre-ordered mine, I spoke to RRS about it and they said they weren't going to have anything finalized until they got their hands on a camera which got me worried about the availability of the L-plate given the availability of the camera. Judging by the pics on the website it looks like they found a camera and have the plate ready to go. Interestingly, you can also place orders for that plate through B&H (I guess they're a RRS seller now?), and FWIW B&H is saying availability is 7-10 days.
Godfrey
Well-known member
Eyecups don't work for me due to my eyeglasses. An essential part of my shooting kit (regardless of EVF or not) is a wide-brimmed sun hat these days to help shade the viewfinder. Seeing through an SLR viewfinder is just as hard in bright sun as seeing through an EVF, for me at least. The only time I can get away without it is when I'm shooting with a Leica M. (When working with a tripod in the field, I bring along a dark cloth and use the LCD sometimes just like I would a ground glass on a 4x5 camera... !)
G
Quick question re Auto ISO:
Am I missing something? On Auto ISO, it seems that Iso doesn't go above 3200. Shouldn't it go higher if the EV demands it? Now it looks like I have to set the ISO manually if I want to use higher shutter speeds, let's say, which defeats the idea of "Auto ISO." Is this a bug, or am I missing something?
Thanks,
Eli
Am I missing something? On Auto ISO, it seems that Iso doesn't go above 3200. Shouldn't it go higher if the EV demands it? Now it looks like I have to set the ISO manually if I want to use higher shutter speeds, let's say, which defeats the idea of "Auto ISO." Is this a bug, or am I missing something?
Thanks,
Eli
Yes Joe, it is! I'm also hoping that significant firmware updates for both cameras will be here soon.
It's encouraging what they say about software in their press release !
That should be good for the coming firmware X1D features updates:thumbs:
"I am honoured to take on the role as interim CEO for this iconic and much-loved company. Hasselblad represents outstanding quality, passion for fine art and pioneering technology. Over the coming months we will continue the started path and strategic direction, including accelerating R&D and software development in Gothenburg, Sweden. Going forward I am immensely proud to be part of this continuing journey.” said Paul Bram.
That should be good for the coming firmware X1D features updates:thumbs:
"I am honoured to take on the role as interim CEO for this iconic and much-loved company. Hasselblad represents outstanding quality, passion for fine art and pioneering technology. Over the coming months we will continue the started path and strategic direction, including accelerating R&D and software development in Gothenburg, Sweden. Going forward I am immensely proud to be part of this continuing journey.” said Paul Bram.
Joe, this is just a thought and/or theory. Just as Nikon on many of their high end cameras have ISo settings up to a certain point but then specifically label the highest two or so ISO levels as "High 1 and High 2 as sort of unofficial ISO's as their settings result in questionable quality in most situations.
I wonder if Hasselblad sort of had the same thoughts and allowed auto ISO up to 3200 but then sort of concluded if someone wants to shoot at a higher ISO, they do so on their own and at their own risk (so to speak)...meaning they take no responsibilty for the quality of the resulting shots. This is especially so as the camera is choosing the ISO in auto ISO, not the users. Of course easily rectified with a firmware update if they receive enough complaints or requests.
Remember, not everyone who buys this camera (or any high end camera for that matter), is an avid knowledgeable shooter, and they simply want the causal shooter who uses auto ISO to have a usable generally "clean" range that is acceptable for those that simply download their jpegs and view on a monitor or iphone/ipad for the most part without adjustments for the most part.
Dave (D&A)
I use auto ISO on my D810 and love it.
Hasselblad have always been very conservative around image quality, I have beta tested cameras with higher ISO than shipping cameras and have said "Yes I'd like the extra two stops please" And Hasselblad have replied "No, we don't feel the quality is good enough".
Guess Nick generally made my point but in a succinct fashion. I certainly wasn't implying that the user shouldn't be given the choice of the upper end of Auto ISO....but that Hasselblad was being conservative what they thought the upper limit should be when using that feature.
Joe, as for who buys a $15,000 kit for causal jpeg use and primarily views their images on ipads, monitors etc? I cannot speak for the Hasselblad brand but in the Leica world, you'd be surprised how many spend this amount and more and haven't given a thought to RAW files or sharpening protocols etc.
Use of a luxury brand camera often is a statement about lifestyle to some as much as a serious photographic tool for others.
Dave (D&A)
Joe, you took the words right out of my mouth with your reference regarding "Carolina Blue sky"...but I will have to defer even though I spent time at UNCFrom this afternoon at the local amphitheater, using the XCD 30mm handheld. No saturation or vibrance adjustments. Yes, our skies are that blue. The folks in Chapel Hill call it "Carolina blue". I'd prefer not to use that reference, being an NC State alum.
Nick & Dave, thanks for the clarification. I use Auto ISO much of the time and would still like to set my upper limit rather than have the camera decide that for me. Just sayin'.
Joe
As for Auto ISO use, I agree, it should be left up to the user to set and determine what the upper limits should be.
Your 30mm wide angle images look great but wow, that curvature of that amphitheater roofline...talk about barrel distortion...LOL!
In all seriousness, not so much in an analytical pixel peeping sense, but do you have a preliminary feel for the lens in terms of good sharpness on sides/edges and corners relative to the center, in order to be satisfyingly used as "expansive view" landscape lens?
All in all this system is becoming more impressive as we see these images and hear of everyone's user feedback. Very Nice!
Dave (D&A)0
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Maybe they should move software development to the USA. People are used (intuiotion) to USA software. Maybe is also less expensive.
But the good news is they are aware of the software deficit. That is great.
Best regards,
Hi,
Yes and no. It's very known on DSLR. In a mirrorless camera, it is not. So maybe thermal stress is an issue at hight iso.
If they force me to guess it will change later. An implementation that may work (I read Nick T post) is letting the user set an upper level, and by default set it to whatever Hasselblad is confident at the moment.
Best regards,
eleanorbrown
New member
Still getting to know the camera and lenses...RAW processing now in Phocus but may change to LR if I continue to see almost no difference in the two applications. This still life with 90 lens f 6.8, 100 iso shot little while ago. Tiny curve enhancement and darkened edges for a dramatic feel. Experimented yesterday with handheld outdoor shooting with both 45 and 90 and getting sharp results as long as I have a decent shutter speed. Still would prefer a softer eyecup. The camera gives lovely files.
Eleanor
Eleanor
