Hasselblad 100C and 35XL

[anyone]

Film was said to be dead 1million times… still alive. I believe tech cams might go the same route. It’s a niche, but it always has been niche.

 

[rdeloe]

Very true. Large format is also in the past, and yet there are still practitioners, film is available, and some new tools are coming out from time to time (new cameras, potentially new shutters). Nonetheless, large format these days mostly seems to involve picking through the remains of the previous era. I'm not seeing any new lenses for large format film.

I think there's an interesting separate thread here. Rather than diverting this thread even more, follow me here if you're interested!

 

[mristuccia]

@All,

I've got a somewhat suspicious email from Hasselblad today, in response to my final thoughts and manifested disappointment for their final answer of yesterday.
They said they are asking their Senior Team about my idea of keeping the tool available for free and with a clear disclaimer.

I encourage all people interested in using it to download a copy now. I may be asked to put it off-line.
In the unfortunate case this really happens, an option would be producing a DNG file, but then the core goal of this tool, the 3FR-to-3FR process, will be lost forever.

 

[mristuccia]

Latest message of the saga:

Dear Marco,

Thank you for your patience while we reviewed your message and the details of your project.

We appreciate your proactive communication and the transparency demonstrated in your disclaimer. As a company, we value the enthusiasm and initiative of our user community, and we take note of the efforts you’ve invested in this personal project.

While we are unable to provide specific commentary or endorsement regarding third-party tools, we recognize your intent to clarify the independent nature of your work. Please be assured that your feedback has been duly noted within our team.

Should there be any further updates or official positions from our side, we will certainly keep you informed. In the meantime, we appreciate your understanding and respect for Hasselblad’s intellectual property and ecosystem.

Thank you again for reaching out, and feel free to contact us again if you have any other questions.

Kind regards,
Hasselblad Support

Which I will take as a green light on leaving the tool online (with the disclaimer).
In my final answer, I've given them the download link.

m/

 

[Paul Spinnler]

I am sorry what exactly would be their grounds for making you take down a homebrew tool? If it is just reverse engineering?

 

[mristuccia]

I am sorry what exactly would be their grounds for making you take down a homebrew tool? If it is just reverse engineering?

Well, for messing up with their 3FR files?
Reading and decoding them is a well accepted practice, there are many non-official raw developers around, but none which produces them.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

Well, for messing up with their 3FR files?
Reading and decoding them is a well accepted practice, there are many non-official raw developers around, but none which produces them.

I don’t get what their case would be legally - anyone can mess with files you don’t need a license? Isn’t it a TIFF with some metadata? Do they have some patent?

 

[usm]

Hi Marco,
since the HBC seems to stay, I have some questions/feedback. My setup is the worsest combination: CFVii50c and SK35XL without centerfilter. For now I am only focusing on LCC and sensor tiling correction. I hobe it is ok to give feedback and thoughts.

I have problems to get rid of the noise in the area with a lot of color cast. Even with blur set to max (32) in the HBC the result from Phocus is smoother. Also the color and contrast is changing. The lighten border on top comes from the blur setting.

What do you think to separate the two functions: LCC and PDFA/sensor tiling correction. Just like the workflow from diggles - LCC in Phocus, PDFA/tilling in PSD. Meaning you can apply the LCC with the best blur setting and in a second step the tool adds the PDFA/tiling correction with the same LCC file in the background. Or one can just do one part.

One other thing is the restriction to the batch process. Maybe an option to choose an image folder and one LCC file would be cool (for exposer or focus bracketing use).

Greetings. Mario

The files are Phocus LCC vs HBC with blur 32/32

 

[mristuccia]

I don’t get what their case would be legally - anyone can mess with files you don’t need a license? Isn’t it a TIFF with some metadata? Do they have some patent?

I asked, they answered not recommending going commercial due to IP / copyright issues. So there must be something.
I didn't investigate on their registered patents, I took their words for granted as I don't want to get sued.

True that 3FR is structurally a TIFF file, but there are parts in it containing proprietary data.

 

[mristuccia]

Hi Marco,
since the HBC seems to stay, I have some questions/feedback. My setup is the worsest combination: CFVii50c and SK35XL without centerfilter. For now I am only focusing on LCC and sensor tiling correction. I hobe it is ok to give feedback and thoughts.

I have problems to get rid of the noise in the area with a lot of color cast. Even with blur set to max (32) in the HBC the result from Phocus is smoother. Also the color and contrast is changing. The lighten border on top comes from the blur setting.

What do you think to separate the two functions: LCC and PDFA/sensor tiling correction. Just like the workflow from diggles - LCC in Phocus, PDFA/tilling in PSD. Meaning you can apply the LCC with the best blur setting and in a second step the tool adds the PDFA/tiling correction with the same LCC file in the background. Or one can just do one part.

One other thing is the restriction to the batch process. Maybe an option to choose an image folder and one LCC file would be cool (for exposer or focus bracketing use).

Greetings. Mario

The files are Phocus LCC vs HBC with blur 32/32
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Hi Mario, thanks for your feedbacks, which prove that there are still things to work on.
Let's continue the conversation in the dedicated thread, the Hasselblad Composer Tool, so that we don't derail the main topic of this one.
Il will answer your questions there.

 

[mristuccia]

Dears,

Version 1.3.0b is out, with a new LCC correction mode which only corrects banding and tiling and let you apply the LCC afterwards through an external RAW developer as you would normally do. And more...

You can read more in the dedicated HBComposer thread.