Hasselblad discontinues the H?

[dj may]

Everyone will have their own answer to this question but I took an X-T4, X1D, and IQ4 150A/Alpa STC (and iPhone) on my last adventure and they all make excellent travel cams in their own right.

It amazes me how powerful the STC/IQ4/70HR package is in such a small footprint. I’m going to make some 36x48” prints soon from the IQ4 shots and am pretty excited about it. The X1D and 35-75 is also a great travel package, and I’d be fine traveling with just it. The Fuji X is also great! I enjoyed the H4D/35-90mm I traveled with at one point but prefer all three of these systems over the H4D today, in part because they’re less bulky (the H OVF was glorious though).

the iPhone is great for what it is and everything it does, and I love the 10s of thousands of family pics I’ve taken with mine, but it’s not going to replace a “real” travel camera for me any time soon (Leica Q3 is next on my potential travel cam list to check out). I wouldn’t be nearly as excited about the prints if they were “iPhone only”. In 20 years, who knows where we’ll be but I’m loving the systems of today.

The best camera is the one with you

 

[drevil]

this thread broke the record of reports about misbehaviour, i would like to remind everybody to stick to the code of conduct and be civilized.
there is no need for foul language and insults. if you disagree, say you disagree!

mr spinnler got a ban till friday, lets see if this cools his head

 

[B L]

I disagree with Mr Spinnler's unsubstantial logic, but why did you add

"mr spinnler got a ban till friday, lets see if this cools his head" to your comment? Private warnings would have been sufficient I think.

 

[tcdeveau]

The best camera is the one with you

always! Probably the thing I appreciate most about the iPhone - it’s always on me

 

[ThdeDude]

The best camera is the one with you

I would say, the best camera is that gets used most often! Which is generally the one with you.

 

[ThdeDude]

this thread broke the record of reports about misbehaviour, ... there is no need for foul language and insults. if you disagree, say you disagree!

Wait, we are just getting started. Now we are taking about what is the best camera and the last posting suggested smartphone.

Since I am the initiator here and the person who keeps stirring things up, I voluntary ban myself from this thread for the next few days or at least for today.

 

[Steve Hendrix]

Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean I am wrong

Have to remember this sentence. Great reply to wife!

No, that would be:

Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean you are wrong.


Steve Hendrix/CI

 

[Steve Hendrix]

To stay within richardman's discussion, does a travel photographer really needs a 100 MP Fujifilm GFX or would, say, the recently released 40MP Fujifilm X be enough? Would a travel photographer be better off with a 40MP Fujifilm X than a 100 MP Fujifilm GFX? Or soon just use a smartphone (in same situations)?

I suppose it depends upon what one means by "travel photographer".

Is Edward Burtynsky a travel photographer?

And I don't mean that to be a smartie, I presume by travel photographer one means someone who is leisurely traveling and wants to take some photographs while they do. Which camera then potentially comes down to how serious they are about the photographs, and how serious they are about the traveling.


Steve Hendrix/CI

 

[leejo]

Second that. Both IQ5 and CFV-100c are way overdue. (At least, we know that the CFV-100c is on its way.)

P.S. Just in case sales & marketing people are reading this. Read my lips, CFV-100c will sell very well, and I think so will IQ5, whatever sensor, if reasonably priced and with no major issues.

Not convinced. I was maybe a year or so ago, but not now. Hasselblad/DJI have missed the boat unless they release something *very* compelling - like a significantly larger sensor (ha!) or resolution (right...), pixel shift, IBS, or all of the above. Anyone that can't write their purchases off as a tax/business expense that was itching for 100MP MF camera or "back" has already jumped on Fuji's offerings, and Fuji continue to be 1 to 2 years ahead of Hasselblad at this point.

I wrote about my experiences with the CFV II 50c on various cameras here and I can only see a 100MP version being more problematic. It will integrate well with the 907x, but it's a massive bag of compromise with just about any other body. And are they going to release it as a standalone product? Or will it require purchasing the 907x like the CFV II 50c did? Will they release a 907x II with something really compelling because I don't see how anyone that has purchased the 907x is going to want another one of those if they want to move to the 100MP back?

 

[wattsy]

And are they going to release it as a standalone product? Or will it require purchasing the 907x like the CFV II 50c did? Will they release a 907x II with something really compelling because I don't see how anyone that has purchased the 907x is going to want another one of those if they want to move to the 100MP back?

I'm not sure taking the 907x out of the package is likely to reduce very much the cost of the back. I get the impression it's almost thrown in for free with the intention of getting people to buy the XCD lenses instead of just using the back with already owned V and third-party lenses.

 

[richardman]

No, that would be:

Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean you are wrong.

Perfect! I wouldn't say my quote to MY wife, that's for sure. Heh.

 

[TechTalk]

...Anyone that can't write their purchases off as a tax/business expense that was itching for 100MP MF camera or "back" has already jumped on Fuji's offerings...

Fuji had 100 megapixel mirrorless cameras for sometime prior to the X2D 100C's arrival and yet the X2D is still finding new buyers, as is Fuji for their current models. It seems the market has not been exhausted.

It seems quite likely there are still potential customers. People are individuals and don't all switch cameras at the same time, or at the same rate, or for the same reasons.

 

[MGrayson]

It seems quite likely there are still potential customers. People are individuals and don't all switch cameras at the same time, or at the same rate, or for the same reasons.

Indeed, some of us switched from Fuji 100MP stabilized sensors to the X2D because the size, color, and lenses were worth it. (I do miss the GF 100-200 and GF 250/4, though).

 

[Pieter 12]

There are the well-off amateurs and semi-pros who can afford new cameras and technology when the whim strikes them. Then there are the pros who may have a lot of money invested in a system and will replace equipment as needed, but it takes a lot for them to walk away from a system they are familiar with or duplicate equipment from similar brands. Many charge rental fo the equipment they own, or rent what they don't have or can't afford, once again charging it back to the clients. But for most pros, "new" features or higher resolution at this point is not a major impetus to spend more on equipment. Not may have paid work every week, much less every day.

 

[TechTalk]

...Fuji continue to be 1 to 2 years ahead of Hasselblad at this point...

Fuji and Hasselblad offer different features which appeal to different customers. Fuji does not have a line of native leaf shutter lenses or anything remotely similar to the 907X concept and form factor. Hasselblad doesn't offer a focal plane shutter camera or some of the features found in the Fuji cameras. There are numerous other differences to be found in the design and feature concepts for their respective systems.

People interested in a race go to a track. Camera systems continuously evolve over time and there is no predetermined finish line — except for the one individuals cross when they open their wallets and buy a camera which suits their personal needs and desires.

 

[TechTalk]

...I don't see how anyone that has purchased the 907x is going to want another one of those if they want to move to the 100MP back?

Personally, I always like having a backup camera. You just never know when you may need it.

 

[ThdeDude]

I'm not sure taking the 907x out of the package is likely to reduce very much the cost of the back. I get the impression it's almost thrown in for free with the intention of getting people to buy the XCD lenses instead of just using the back with already owned V and third-party lenses.

I suppose it depends upon what one means by "travel photographer" ... potentially comes down to how serious they are about the photographs, and how serious they are about the traveling.

Agree; also actual needs vary drastically.

An acquaintance of mine extensively travels throughout the US in order to photograph pleasant nature scenes. He sells his images via art consultants to hospitals, hospice, and medical offices. Some prints are wall-sized. If not for the weight, wouldn't this call out for a technical camera with IQ4 (he uses a 100 MP Fujifilm)?

In contrast, for Instagram/TikTok travel influencers a smartphone might just be the perfect camera.

P.S. DPI wrote last month, "The Fujifilm X100V has become something of a star on TikTok, which has contributed to it becoming hard to find." https://tinyurl.com/537uuvj6

 

[leejo]

The Fujifilm X100V has become something of a star on TikTok, which has contributed to it becoming hard to find." https://tinyurl.com/537uuvj6

The X100[STFV] are astonishingly good cameras, I am in no way surprised by this.

Fuji and Hasselblad offer different features which appeal to different customers. Fuji does not have a line of native leaf shutter lenses or anything remotely similar to the 907X concept and form factor. Hasselblad doesn't offer a focal plane shutter camera or some of the features found in the Fuji cameras. There are numerous other differences to be found in the design and feature concepts for their respective systems.

Sure different strokes for different folks, but a 100MP version of the CFV is going to be a *massive* bag of compromise. If you want the benefits of the XCD lenses then having the X2D 100C is key. Unless Hasselblad price the (as yet not guaranteed to be actually ever made or released) 100MP (or more) version of the back at an incredibly low price they're not going to shift more than a handful of units.

 

[wattsy]

but a 100MP version of the CFV is going to be a *massive* bag of compromise. If you want the benefits of the XCD lenses then having the X2D 100C is key.

Why's that? I can see that it would be nice to have the IBIS of the X2D when shooting handheld but the CFV back works very well for tripod based applications. I might be missing something but what would be a compromise having a 100MP sensor in the back?

 

[ThdeDude]

Sure different strokes for different folks, but a 100MP version of the CFV is going to be a *massive* bag of compromise. If you want the benefits of the XCD lenses then having the X2D 100C is key. Unless Hasselblad price the (as yet not guaranteed to be actually ever made or released) 100MP (or more) version of the back at an incredibly low price they're not going to shift more than a handful of units.

The CFV-50c was my first digital back and it was a real hassle to use it on a technical camera due to, for example, non-adjustable live-view, no ES, and need for LCC for most lenses. So can fully relate to your comment of "massive bag of compromise", but I expect that the CFV-100c will resolve most of or all the major issues I had with the CFV-50c.

With HB's X system apparently doing very well HB surely will keep on developing the CFV. Something we can't be certain about P1's IQs.