Hasselblad look and color with Leica SL3?

[Paul Spinnler]

Yes what's nifty about the SL's MF implementation is that it detects a change in focus and then zooms in to 100% so one can quickly adjust and then with a button press you're back to a full frame view.

 

[SrMphoto]

Yes what's nifty about the SL's MF implementation is that it detects a change in focus and then zooms in to 100% so one can quickly adjust and then with a button press you're back to a full frame view.

You can do the same with X2D. There is also a very cool focus indicator. With Mark 2, you can enable haptic feedback when focus is acquired with the focus indicator (vibration setting).

 

[Paul Spinnler]

You can do the same with X2D. There is also a very cool focus indicator. With Mark 2, you can enable haptic feedback when focus is acquired with the focus indicator (vibration setting).

Thanks - this makes it indeed interesting for M glass owners, especially considering that many M lenses illuminate more than the 34x24mm --- at least 40x40 and vignetting can be dealt with ... in post.

I think the new Hassy is a big threat for Leica's "professional" line, ie the SL.

M and Q are their own thing, you cannot beat the styling and compactness - M people just love their Ms and Qs the same.

SL has a problem now, methinks. The same price point is not easily defensible IMHO.

 

[SrMphoto]

Thanks - this makes it indeed interesting for M glass owners, especially considering that many M lenses illuminate more than the 34x24mm --- at least 40x40 and vignetting can be dealt with ... in post.

Neither SL nor X2D has auto-zoom for M lenses (due to the absence of electronic contacts).

 

[Paul Spinnler]

I owned SL cameras for many years. You misunderstand: there’s a mode in a Leica SL camera whereby it detects that the focus shifts on manual focus lenses and then it zooms to 100’pefcent to aid in hitting focus. It is a purely image feed based algorithm that triggers the zoom to 100 percent and not electronic contacts.

that’s super useful to focus with manual focus M lenses.

 

[chriswebb]

To quickly get 100% focus on the mk1 x2d, you just need to click the thumbwheel on the back right side of the camera. Someone else would have to confirm if that still works on the mk2. It doesnt have Leica’s nifty autozoom when you change focus which I’ve only experienced on the M11M.

 

[SrMphoto]

I owned SL cameras for many years. You misunderstand: there’s a mode in a Leica SL camera whereby it detects that the focus shifts on manual focus lenses and then it zooms to 100’pefcent to aid in hitting focus. It is a purely image feed based algorithm that triggers the zoom to 100 percent and not electronic contacts.

that’s super useful to focus with manual focus M lenses.

How do you turn on that mode? I have been using SL cameras since the first model and have never heard of that feature.

 

[SrMphoto]

To quickly get 100% focus on the mk1 x2d, you just need to click the thumbwheel on the back right side of the camera. Someone else would have to confirm if that still works on the mk2. It doesnt have Leica’s nifty autozoom when you change focus which I’ve only experienced on the M11M.

With Mark 2 you can also magnify with joystick press.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

Page 112 of SL2 manual - I don't have an SL3 right now; this function makes the SL killer for M glass. Also the fact that it is compatible with almost all M lenses without quality loss on the edges for wides because Leica calculated the sensor IR filter thickness to work the same as with the M - ie to shoot M glass the best IQ most likely will be achieved with a Leica native camera, e.g. M or SL rather than say a Sony. Not sure about edge smearing with M wides on the X2D.

 

[SrMphoto]

Page 112 of SL2 manual - I don't have an SL3 right now; this function makes the SL killer for M glass. Also the fact that it is compatible with almost all M lenses without quality loss on the edges for wides because Leica calculated the sensor IR filter thickness to work the same as with the M - ie to shoot M glass the best IQ most likely will be achieved with a Leica native camera, e.g. M or SL rather than say a Sony. Not sure about edge smearing with M wides on the X2D.

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I have that setting, but it does not work for M lenses because there is no electronic connection between the camera and the lens. I have tried it out just now.
It is a known problem with M lenses on SL cameras.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

I have that setting, but it does not work for M lenses because there is no electronic connection between the camera and the lens. I have tried it out just now.
It is a known problem with M lenses on SL cameras.

I've used this setting with all my M lenses for years ... literally every day incl. with third party glass like Voigtländer lenses ... you must be doing sth. wrong.

As said, this is an image feed based algorithmic feature. When the SL has no SL optic attached, it considers it manual focus or when in MF mode for the SL glass. When you then turn the focus and different sections of the image blur it detects that.

This has nothing to do with electronic contacts.

This is THE killer M glass focusing feature of the SL system.

I don't have an SL1; it worked on the SL2 and it most likely also exists in the SL3 consequentially.

 

[SrMphoto]

I've used this setting with all my M lenses for years ... literally every day incl. with third party glass like Voigtländer lenses ... you must be doing sth. wrong.

As said, this is an image feed based algorithmic feature. When the SL has no SL optic attached, it considers it manual focus or when in MF mode for the SL glass. When you then turn the focus and different sections of the image blur it detects that.

This has nothing to do with electronic contacts.

This is THE killer M glass focusing feature of the SL system.

I don't have an SL1; it worked on the SL2 and it most likely also exists in the SL3 consequentially.

Are you confusing it with the M camera, which has an auto magnification feature?
It is well known that SL cameras do not have auto-magnification for M lenses, as has been discussed here:

No more auto-magnification when focusing M lenses?

I know they disallowed magnification via the little rubber nub, but it also appears that the lenses don't auto-magnify when I start focusing with the focus ring? Settings show auto-magnification is enabled. What's up with this?

www.l-camera-forum.com

 

[Paul Spinnler]

Are you confusing it with the M camera, which has an auto magnification feature?
It is well known that SL cameras do not have auto-magnification for M lenses, as has been discussed here:

No more auto-magnification when focusing M lenses?

I know they disallowed magnification via the little rubber nub, but it also appears that the lenses don't auto-magnify when I start focusing with the focus ring? Settings show auto-magnification is enabled. What's up with this?

www.l-camera-forum.com

Maybe you're right - I sold my SL camera 2 years ago and remember this functionality. It think it could be that I confused it with the M variant of this as I used also an M11 in parallel - all sold off now - with the Sl2. When looking at reviews online they mention the joystick configuration which I also had setup (tap to zoom and FN button to escape). So I am not sure now anymore if I just always used the joystick tap to zoom which is also very fast.

 

[algrove]

How do you turn on that mode? I have been using SL cameras since the first model and have never heard of that feature.

I set up my SL3 and SL3S joysticks to zoom for focus. I used the same feature on my SL2S.

 

[SrMphoto]

I set up my SL3 and SL3S joysticks to zoom for focus. I used the same feature on my SL2S.

Yes, me too, but there is no feature to auto zoom when turning the focus ring on the M lens (except for the M cameras).

 

[algrove]

Yes, me too, but there is no feature to auto zoom when turning the focus ring on the M lens (except for the M cameras).

Sure. I did not understand you were talking about turning the lens ring. Who cares though as long as one can zoom for fine focus?

 

[Paul Spinnler]

Well autozoom exists on M cameras and for SL glass on SL cameras; when using M cameras it is joystick, I think my memory got confused here because I had both an M and SL.

 

[Thyl]

Yep that is correct, I just posted about this today in some other thread, see

Hoping to get some guidance on a Hasselblad X2D Mark II kit please

I started my early 2000s with the H2D then the H4D and then the H6D after having issues with my H6D that I could never get resolved I wound up switching systems. However, I have maintained a soft spot for the brand that just never went away so I have decided to go back with the Hasselblad X2D...

www.getdpi.com

The issue is really with the older HC lenses not having sufficient memory for the newer firmware versions (that is what the error message is saying when trying to upgrade an old lens)

well, I don't buy that argument. To me, it seems to have been a decision by Hasselblad. Leica seems to have been able to develop an adapter with AF function for their S-system.

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Der Adapter ermöglicht, Objektive aus dem Hasselblad H-System an der Leica S2 zu verwenden. Der Leica S Adapter H ermöglicht es, folgende Funktionen der Hasselblad H-Objektive an der S2 zu nutzen: Autofokus und manuelle Fokussierung mit Schärfeindikator,…

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So, maybe, after the discontinuation of the H system, time for a new AF-capable adapter.

 

[wattsy]

Well autozoom exists on M cameras and for SL glass on SL cameras; when using M cameras it is joystick, I think my memory got confused here because I had both an M and SL.

Yes, you were talking bollocks I'm afraid. The feature you were mentioning works on M digital cameras (M240 and newer) because the M camera detects the movement of the M lens focussing ring via the RF coupling. The SL obviously lacks that physical RF connection so, in the absence of an electronic connection, doesn't know when the focusing ring of an M lens is being turned. I actually prefer the way the SL does this. I can just switch between 100% and full frame view using the button when I choose to do so rather than have the camera do it automatically.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

Yes, you were talking bollocks I'm afraid. The feature you were mentioning works on M digital cameras (M240 and newer) because the M camera detects the movement of the M lens focussing ring via the RF coupling. The SL obviously lacks that physical RF connection so, in the absence of an electronic connection, doesn't know when the lens focusing ring is being turned. I actually prefer the way the SL does this. I can just switch between 100% and full frame view using the button when I choose to do so rather than have the camera do it automatically.

I've already said that I owned both an SL2 and M11 and had used the EVF on the M11 and the SL2 with the M adapter and confused this fact ...