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K2 Base Camp Trek

ThdeDude

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Thinking about doing the K2 Base Camp & Concordia hiking tour.

Anyone here who has done so. Any recommendations or suggestions?

Might bring my Silvestri Flexicam, IQ3 and two lenses Digarons 50mm and 100m. But primary camera will be iPhone 17 Pro.

Thx.

MN
 
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Yes, I've done the trek to K2 Base Camp & Concordia.

Being amongst the greatest concentration of +8,000m mountains on Earth plus the Trango group was fantastic.

With giardia onboard, it was gruelling.

Highest recommendation: Don't get giardia.

I would love to repeat it with my WRS plus IQ4 plus a few lightweight SK lenses. Without giardia.
 
With giardia onboard, it was gruelling.

Highest recommendation: Don't get giardia.

Yes, Giardia is bad news. Very sorry to hear that you got it there.

I already have a "no handshake" rule when hiking or camping.

Some pics would be nice.:)
 
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I had giardia the first time that I went trekking in Nepal (1982)(I think that I actually picked it up in Thailand on the way there), and on the trail I met a doctor from the US who recommended Tinidazole (sometimes Tiniba), in particular as preferable to Flagyl (metronidazole). When I got back to Kathmandu, I picked some up, and within an hour of taking the first dose, I felt back to normal. I don't think that it is available here (Canada), but on subsequent trips I would usually pick some up in Kathmandu as a precautionary measure. Fortunately I haven't had giardia since: probably partially due to being more careful, and partially due to the local hygienic standards improving. Be careful with your water, e.g. filter it or boil it, and when it comes to food, the standard advice is: cook it, peel it, or forget it.
 
I had giardia the first time that I went trekking in Nepal (1982)(I think that I actually picked it up in Thailand on the way there), and on the trail I met a doctor from the US who recommended Tinidazole (sometimes Tiniba), in particular as preferable to Flagyl (metronidazole). When I got back to Kathmandu, I picked some up, and within an hour of taking the first dose, I felt back to normal. I.... Be careful with your water, e.g. filter it or boil it, and when it comes to food, the standard advice is: cook it, peel it, or forget it.

Thx, appreciate your recommendations.

"first time that I went trekking in Nepal (1982)" How neat.
 
My initial reply was a quick comment banged out this morning before I headed out the door. Now, late at night, I'll give it another go, this time with more balance.

The trek to Concordia and K2 Base Camp is rightly renowned as one of the greatest and hardest mountain treks. The approach route takes you into the heart of the Karakoram Range of northern Pakistan, and is much tougher and isolated than, say, the very popular southern approach to Mt Everest in Nepal. On the Everest trek, you walk up and down steep terraced hillsides and through a succession of villages, and Everest base camp is just a day's walk from the last village. On the K2 trek, you ride in Jeeps to the last village and then spend three weeks on glacial scree in remote wilderness, surrounded by bare rock, glacier ice and peaks.

The route follows the Braldu River gorge and then the 60km-long Baltoro Glacier eastwards to Concordia, then north along the Godwin-Austen Glacier to K2 itself. The mountain scenery you experience is staggering.

I did this trek in 1994, when I was 38, having trekked to Everest base camp in 1978 and having done many hikes in Australia, plus my field work as a geologist. I was fit, lean and athletic, and with a large pack with film and sound gear (for a documentary) on my back, still found it tough. There were 10 trekkers, two Australian guides, two local guides and, at the start, 84 porters. Only six of us made it to K2 base camp and above it, after a scramble up to a ledge, the memorial cairn to Art Gilkey. That long day, involving 24km of glacier travel surrounded by the finest mountain scenery, was very memorable.

Our intended route out was via the Gondogoro La to the south, however, having reached Ali camp near the base of the pass the afternoon before, we were hit by a snowstorm that buried our tents. We even had a porter strike, just as Galen Rowell experienced in 1975. The snow forced a retreat to Concordia and then a return via the Baltoro.

Days start early and there's a rush to get going and cross the many fast-flowing meltwater streams that cut across the route before the sun makes them higher. To stay upright in fast-flowing ice water up to your thighs, you walk barefooted with your arms linked to another person and ignore the pebbles hitting your feet. If you stop to make images, you fall behind. Consequently, most careful still photography happens after arrival at each night's campsite. That is when you will want a tripod and your real camera.

My photos from this trek are 35mm Ektachrome slides, some of the last I ever shot before switching to 6x7 film later that year. I've recently retrieved the slides from storage to have them scanned.

The K2 trek is one of life's great adventures.

As for the giardia: We were washing hands and boiling water. However, that doesn't avoid contamination of cooked meals. Although I was being careful, I may have picked it up during my unplanned solo journey beforehand through Karachi and Islamabad and along the Karakoram Highway. I had a course of Flagyl with me, but received bad advice and delayed taking it until the distinctive signs (look it up) made it unambiguous. A doctor I met told me to ignore the normal 500mg dose and instead take 2g three times a day. Bombs away. An hour or so after the first dose I felt much better, but it took several days to clear up.

Here are titles I recommend you buy or borrow:

In the Throne Room of the Mountain Gods, by Galen Rowell. Pub. Sierra Club Books, 1977.

K2: The Story of the Savage Mountain, by Jim Curran. Pub. Hodder & Stoughton, 1995.

Summit: Vittorio Sella, Mountaineer and Photographer, the years 1879 - 1909. With essays by Ansel Adams, David Brower, Greg Child, Paul Kallmes & Wendy M. Watson. Pub. Aperture, 1999.

The Karakoram: Ice Mountains of Pakistan, by Colin Prior. Pub. Merrell, 2021.

Regarding the last: I've just bought one of the final copies available after Colin Prior issued a notice on his Facebook page that only a few remained. It's fabulous.

Any questions, just ask.
 
The trek to Concordia and K2 Base Camp is rightly renowned as one of the greatest and hardest mountain treks. ...

... If you stop to make images, you fall behind. Consequently, most careful still photography happens after arrival at each night's campsite. That is when you will want a tripod and your real camera.


The K2 trek is one of life's great adventures.

....

Any questions, just ask.

Rod,
Greatly appreciate your detailed reply and your offer to answer any question.
Yes, everyone who has taken this trek/hike lists seems to be most impressed by it.
I am considering not to go with a general touring tour but with a "photo tour" with Marc Adamus. I hope to have here more & better opportunity to photograph.
Notwithstanding, I intent to use my iPhone as my primary camera (which I tend to use like a real camera, mostly also tripod mounted). My experience is that it is possible l to concentrate on two jobs, but not really well on three. The first one is putting one foot in front of the other (hiking), and my second one will concentrate on subject-matter (scenery), light & composition, and not dealing with photo gear like getting the camera out of the bag, setting the camera up, cramming out the right lens, and so on. But am planning to bring my Silvestri Flexicam, IQ3 (or IQ5, if available), with at least Digaron-W 50mm and Digaron-S 100m just in case it makes sense to use. (The iPhone 17Pro has no lens inbetween its 24mm and 100mm.)
An alternative would be to buy OM-1 Mark II.
Any suggestions/recommendations as to gear?
MN
 
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This is probably one of the best treks ever in the world. I would say wide-angle lenses may also be extremely useful, especially around the Trango Tower region (early section of Baltoro Glacier). And bring a super stable tripod. This area is super windy!
And if time allows, maybe you can consider Gondogoro Pass? The view from the top and downhill to Hushe valley is stunning.
 
Thank you for the book list Rod!

I have this one (superb!), but look forward to viewing the others:

Summit: Vittorio Sella, Mountaineer and Photographer, the years 1879 - 1909. With essays by Ansel Adams, David Brower, Greg Child, Paul Kallmes & Wendy M. Watson. Pub. Aperture, 1999.

Best,
John
 
I am considering not to go with a general touring tour but with a "photo tour" with Marc Adamus. I hope to have here more & better opportunity to photograph.
Judging from his website, Marc Adamus appears to know what he's doing. Yes, I would jump at this. Get on his waiting list.

In this context, the word 'tour' is weird. Even with the assistance of porters, this trek is hard work. Start training six months ahead to develop strength and aerobic fitness.

One of the challenges with photographing on a normal trek is that, inevitably, a few people are there to pit themselves against 'the adversary' or to 'prove themselves' and keep pushing the group on, hardly stopping. When they do, they whip out a compact point and shoot from a top pocket - yes, now it would be a phone - and hardly look to take in the situation.

A photo trek would be ideal.
 
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Notwithstanding, I intent to use my iPhone as my primary camera (which I tend to use like a real camera, mostly also tripod mounted). My experience is that it is possible l to concentrate on two jobs, but not really well on three. The first one is putting one foot in front of the other (hiking), and my second one will concentrate on subject-matter (scenery), light & composition, and not dealing with photo gear like getting the camera out of the bag, setting the camera up, cramming out the right lens, and so on. But am planning to bring my Silvestri Flexicam, IQ3 (or IQ5, if available), with at least Digaron-W 50mm and Digaron-S 100m just in case it makes sense to use. (The iPhone 17Pro has no lens inbetween its 24mm and 100mm.)
An alternative would be to buy OM-1 Mark II.
Any suggestions/recommendations as to gear?
MN

It's common to anticipate beforehand that a wide or even ultrawide lens will be the best focal length, and even during the trek, surrounded by mountains, the natural response is often to stay wide in order to 'take it all in'. However, a wide lens will usually reduce the mountains to insignificance and when tilted up everything tilts and converges stupidly.

I would go so far to say avoid using a wide lens unless you have a compelling foreground and even then, you must push forward.

My most successful images from this trek were made with my 85mm f/2 and 200mm f/4 lenses. The 24mm f/2.8 was generally too wide except in a few instances such as when framing a wall of glacier ice beside the route or a cliff section with porters on the other side of a hairpin bend. And pointed up, the convergence ruins the shot. Generally, a 35mm focal length would have been much better. From Concordia, both the classic view north to K2 and the view east towards Gasherbrum IV were both framed well by the 85mm, whilst a 200mm takes in the spires and summits themselves.

On my subsequent trek, a more difficult route involving abseiling on three 'technical' passes between Makalu and Everest (the Sherpani Col - West Col- Amphu Labsta route), I managed to do better with two Mamiya 7ii bodies, one with the 50mm, the other with the 80mm, and shooting both. Almost always, the shot made using the 80mm was better. The 150mm worked well for peaks.

The best photographs, exemplified by those of Vittorio Sella on the 1909 expedition, are from an elevated view behind and above a campsite towards the rock walls and peaks beyond. The instances where you can achieve such a viewpoint without some difficult climbing or at least scrambling are few, but it is these images that really stand out.

A technical camera would be my first choice in order to avoid convergence and to provide freedom to frame as the situation requires. That's one ingredient I recognise in Sella's photographs. One of my mottos is: 'I don't need hundreds of ordinary shots; I want 10 or 15 good ones.'

Bear in mind that the weather is a major determinant on the images you will bring back. Galen Rowell explained that his iconic images of the Trango Towers were successful because his expedition had endured a storm that provided swirling mist and then lifted one morning to reveal the granite spires dusted by snow. If you arrive after a week or two of fine summer weather the views will be very different. Or the main peaks can be enshrouded in cloud for lengthy periods. At Concordia, we met another group of just three, one of which was the leader - the others had not made it - who said that the year before his group had waited at Concordia for four days and didn't see K2 once. The moral: try to moderate your expectations against those website images made during repeated visits to a location.

Rod
 
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One of the challenges with photographing on a normal trek is that, inevitably, a few people are there to pit themselves against 'the adversary' or to 'prove themselves' and keep pushing the group on, hardly stopping. When they do, they whip out a compact point and shoot from a top pocket - yes, now it would be a phone - and hardly look to take in the situation.

A photo trek would be ideal.

Yes, also my experience. It's always a new experience to see people taking photographs with zero aesthetical or technical consideration! Which has the unfortunate corollary that there is also zero comprehension or understanding that it might take us a bit more time than what needed for pressing the shutter.
 
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It's common to anticipate beforehand that a wide or even ultrawide lens will be the best focal length, and even during the trek, surrounded by mountains, the natural response is often to stay wide in order to 'take it all in'. However, a wide lens will usually reduce the mountains to insignificance and when tilted up everything tilts and converges stupidly.

I would go so far to say avoid using a wide lens unless you have a compelling foreground and even then, you must push forward.

Also my experience. And the same is true for wide-angle panoramas.

Yes, a compelling foreground might make a wide-angle work. Here I would rely on my iPhone's 14mm and 24mm lens with the 48MP sensor. In other words, won't even bother bringing my 23mm and 35mm Digarons, the shortest length focal lens I intend to bring would be Digaron-W 50mm (FF equivalent 33mm).
 
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My most successful images from this trek were made with my 85mm f/2 and 200mm f/4 lenses. The 24mm f/2.8 was generally too wide ..., a 35mm focal length would have been much better. From Concordia, both the classic view north to K2 and the view east towards Gasherbrum IV were both framed well by the 85mm, whilst a 200mm takes in the spires and summits themselves.
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A technical camera would be my first choice in order to avoid convergence and to provide freedom to frame as the situation requires. That's one ingredient I recognise in Sella's photographs. ....

Rod

Rod,
I greatly appreciate your comments and suggestions.
No excuses anymore, will haul my Silvestri Flexicam with Digaron-W 50mm (FF equivalent 33mm) and Digaron-S 100m (FF equivalent 66mm) along.
For 200mm, I will (have to) rely on iPhone's 200mm tele lens (center-crop of the 100mm).
MN
 
You're welcome.

The Digaron-S 100mm is so sharp and contrasty (I have one myself) that I expect that it can serve well enough as the long lens.

Check out those books I listed, especially the last by Colin Prior. A copy might still be available.
 
You're welcome.

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Check out those books I listed, especially the last by Colin Prior. A copy might still be available.

Thx for your recommendation. Just placed an order for The Karakoram: Ice Mountains of Pakistan. (Amazon list 9 in stock in case someone else wants to buy a copy.)
 
In other words, won't even bother bringing my 23mm and 35mm Digarons, the shortest length focal lens I intend to bring would be Digaron-W 50mm (FF equivalent 33mm).

The Digaron-S 23mm would be far too wide on 53x40mm, certainly, but the Digaron-S 35mm might be useful for those few (single, non-stitch) shots with a strong foreground.

I wouldn't want you find yourself in a special situation and cursing my advice! See how the packing and weight goes.
 
... but the Digaron-S 35mm might be useful for those few (single, non-stitch) shots with a strong foreground.

I wouldn't want you find yourself in a special situation and cursing my advice! See how the packing and weight goes.

Here I would use the iPhone's 24mm (FF equivalent) lens.

"cursing my advice!" Hahaha.
 
It sounds wonderful. As Rod says, work to get in the best shape. Altitude and exhaustion will crush your desire to photograph and your creative abilities will be dulled. The better shape, the less effect.
Dave
 
... Altitude and exhaustion will crush your desire to photograph and your creative abilities will be dulled. The better shape, the less effect.
Dave

Very true. (Been on top of Kilimanjaro multiple times.)

Anther factor I think is critical is to simplify camera gear. I intent to have my Silvestri Flexicam in a waist back, with only two lenses. It's either one or the other. For anything else there is an iPhone.
 
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