Laowa 35mm TS-E for GFX. Is it missing independent tilt and shift?

[wallpaperviking]

So I just saw this lens announcement.

Laowa 35mm f/2.8 Zero-D Tilt-Shift 0.5× Macro - LAOWA Camera Lenses

Specification Name Laowa 35mm f/2.8 Zero-D Tilt-Shift 0.5x Macro Format Full Frame Focal Length 35mm Aperture Range F2.8-22 Angle of View 87.5° Tilt ±10° Shift ±12mm Mount Rotation 360° Magnification 0.5x In-focus driving mode Manual Focus Lens Structure 14 elements in 12 groups Aperture Blades...

www.venuslens.net

I cannot quite see if this has independent movements, similar to the later model Canon TS-E lenses.

Any suggestions?

I am not talking "100% independent" like a tech cam but just the ability to swap between rise/fall and shift left/right on the rear of the lens and then have either tilt or swing on the front.

Thanks

 

[rdeloe]

No. Like the old Canon design, the movements are not independent. Keith Cooper has one and is in the process of reviewing it. Couple threads here:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/threads/laowa-35-2-8-ts-samples-full-size.4822489/

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/threads/more-laowa-35mm-t-s-full-size-examples.4822868/

Keith thinks that you may be able to unscrew and reconnect with different orientation, e.g., if you don't want tilt and shift, you can have tilt and rise/fall. Maybe. Follow him on this and you'll know sooner or later.

The samples look good by the way.

 

[wallpaperviking]

No. Like the old Canon design, the movements are not independent. Keith Cooper has one and is in the process of reviewing it. Couple threads here:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/threads/laowa-35-2-8-ts-samples-full-size.4822489/

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/threads/more-laowa-35mm-t-s-full-size-examples.4822868/

Keith thinks that you may be able to unscrew and reconnect with different orientation, e.g., if you don't want tilt and shift, you can have tilt and rise/fall. Maybe. Follow him on this and you'll know sooner or later.

The samples look good by the way.

Cheers, much appreciated!

 

[rdeloe]

There's an absolute boat load of these things coming out, and many are very good. Keith reviews them all. He just did the 17mm TTArtisan and received another 17mm from Laowa (I think). Venus/Laowa now has that 35mm, a 55mm and a 100mm. The mechanisms are not as nice as the high end ones, but optics seem really good.

 

[Alkibiades]

a really good modern 35 mm shift lens for full format 35 mm will be really exiting, a revival of the traditional 35 mm shift for modern 60 mp sony, nikon, canon ect… hopefully with really 0 distortion and 15 mm movement in best optical quality like the new fuji 30 mm

 

[rdeloe]

a really good modern 35 mm shift lens for full format 35 mm will be really exiting, a revival of the traditional 35 mm shift for modern 60 mp sony, nikon, canon ect… hopefully with really 0 distortion and 15 mm movement in best optical quality like the new fuji 30 mm

Yes to that!

It's unfortunate that Laowa/Venus seems committed to gigantic, fast lenses tilt-shift with short minimum focus distances. I would very happily trade off 0.5:1 magnification and f/2.8 for a longer minimum focus distance, f/5.6, and a much lighter, smaller lens. Alas, beggars can't be choosers.

 

[BGancsos]

@rdeloe do you have any info on whether the mustache distortion is present in this lens on 33x44 sensors? You’re my trusted authority on this, haha, as many don’t even know what it is…

 

[Alkibiades]

not only distortion but also tests of the sharpnss at full movements at the edges would be very helpfull, doesnt matter on which sensor

 

[rdeloe]

The space to watch is Northlight. Keith Cooper has one and is in the midst of testing it. He's posted a lot of full resolution samples already at DPReview. Here's the thread: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/threads/more-laowa-35mm-t-s-full-size-examples.4822868/ Once his full review is done, he'll start a thread on DPReview Medium Format forum.

I've examined samples Keith posted. They're looking quite decent. Early indications are that if you are using the Pentax-A 645 35/3.5, you'll want to switch to this lens.

 

[diggles]

The lens does exhibit distortion. You can see it towards the corners in one of the sample images on the Laowa website. The image is one point perspective, the wall has tiles with defined lines. It's not awful, but it is there. No reference to how much shift was used. The image was made with the GFX so it is pushing the limits of the lens.

 

[dcw]

The Shifter.com site tested the Canon 24+1.4 extender, Contax 35mm PC, and the Laowa 35mm - no clear winner from this test. All had some shortcomings.

 

[diggles]

The Shifter.com site tested the Canon 24+1.4 extender, Contax 35mm PC, and the Laowa 35mm - no clear winner from this test. All had some shortcomings.

You could see the distortion in one of the images from that test as well. The images from the upcoming Laowa 17mm shift looked quite good in that test.

 

[Alkibiades]

i have seen the reviewfrom shifter . com,
surprisingly the combination of 24 mm Ts-e and 1,4 extender did also very well.
Did anybody used this combo?
this would be a great alternative- as i already own the 24 mm- when also the image circle would grow by using the 1,4 extender so there would be possible to use 15 mm and more -
on Actus with Canon adapter. Seems to be a better alternative than a new lens from laowa. The question would be how the edges at 15 mm rise will look like.
any experiances there?

 

[rdeloe]

i have seen the reviewfrom shifter . com,
surprisingly the combination of 24 mm Ts-e and 1,4 extender did also very well.
Did anybody used this combo?
this would be a great alternative- as i already own the 24 mm- when also the image circle would grow by using the 1,4 extender so there would be possible to use 15 mm and more -
on Actus with Canon adapter. Seems to be a better alternative than a new lens from laowa. The question would be how the edges at 15 mm rise will look like.
any experiances there?

Keith Cooper will have comparison shots. He's already posted some at the thread I linked to earlier.

 

[dcw]

I currently use the Canon 24 with the Sigma 1.4 extender, having used the Canon version previously. The Sigma wins on less distortion - as far as sharpness on the edges it's awash. Focusing on the edges gives up center sharpness - there's always a tradeoff. Again if the edges or top include sky then the shortcomings are less noticeable.

 

[Alkibiades]

I currently use the Canon 24 with the Sigma 1.4 extender, having used the Canon version previously. The Sigma wins on less distortion - as far as sharpness on the edges it's awash. Focusing on the edges gives up center sharpness - there's always a tradeoff. Again if the edges or top include sky then the shortcomings are less noticeable.

so you find the Sigma extender better than the canon original? do you mean the canon second version ?

 

[dcw]

Yes

 

[Ddbowdoin]

I'm tempted due to native mount. I tested the 24 tse ii w a viltrox EF-e version 4 adapter and it sucked. I had less than 20% hit rate for controlling aperture. Unfortunately my shop didn't have a sigma adapter on hand

 

[Alkibiades]

i trayed the TS-E 24mm II with the Sigma adapter: not bad, the sharpness is OK, but little bit less then without, but indeed the distortion is quite strong when shifted, not so easy to correct.