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Phocus Mobile 2 v3.0.0

SrMphoto

Well-known member
Can't you use Phocus mobile to capture your raws in the field, then go home, and transfer the raws to a folder on your desktop, applying the new NR to any of the raws you select? I would hope that those raws with the new NR applied can be imported into desktop Phocus and LR and the NR is preserved in the raw file.
You can transfer images to iPad or iPhone at any time. It can be in the field, it can be at home before transferring them to the desktop.
Yes, Phocus and Adobe software work fine with HNNR "raw" files. RawDigger has issues (notified them).
Unlike other denoising software, the denoised 3FR file has the same size as the original.
 

Iskander

Member
I suspect a manager who has to justify his existence with "bold vision" which, these days, means adding "AI" to any product.

BTW, I tried it and it works really well. Now to get it off of iOS...
What I like, Hasselblad talks about 'machine learning' on the app's home screen and not about AI, which is used everywhere for advertising purposes and Phocus Mobile 2 does not need to be online for the HNNR function compared to some other apps.
 

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Steve Hendrix

Well-known member
You can transfer images to iPad or iPhone at any time. It can be in the field, it can be at home before transferring them to the desktop.
Yes, Phocus and Adobe software work fine with HNNR "raw" files. RawDigger has issues (notified them).
Unlike other denoising software, the denoised 3FR file has the same size as the original.

Phocus seems problematic (at least my version 3.8.4) at the moment with HNNR files, but I don't expect that to last too long. No problem with Adobe.


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MGrayson

Subscriber and Workshop Member
What I like, Hasselblad talks about 'machine learning' on the app's home screen and not about AI, which is used everywhere for advertising purposes and Phocus Mobile 2 does not need to be online for the HNNR function compared to some other apps.
Wow, I take it back. They're being reasonable about it. Still wish they'd get it onto a desktop - even as a standalone program if integration with Phocus's ancient code-base is too hard. I suspect the ancient code base is a large part of the difficulty here.
 

Iskander

Member
Please note if you are already using the HNNR function.

I had noticed with some RAW files that the radius of the sharpening setting had changed in the new file after using HNNR.
During my tests, it turned out that all radius settings < 1.0 were ignored and set to 1.0 by default. Settings >= 1.0 seem to be applied correctly.

After contacting Hasselblad support today, they responded very quickly after an email exchange. They were able to identify the problem and forwarded it to the development team.

I can only thank the Hasselblad support team for their quick response.
 

rmueller

Well-known member
From the Hasselblad web site:

"With input from numerous Hasselblad Masters, the AI model assures effortless noise reduction that rivals native low ISO quality across various camera models. Utilising the advanced neural network AI model and the robust processing power of smartphones, it can efficiently denoise 100-megapixel RAW photos in approximately 15 seconds, producing results that look natural and realistic.
.......Additionally, the AI model is finely tuned for urban landscapes and portraits, ensuring clean, richly detailed images in both high and low ISO settings."

As I said earlier, training neural network models is not trivial. I am pretty sure they will fine tune and consider more raw image sample data going forward. It's a continuous process and we can expect the models to become better and better. Let them get some experience from the field (us I guess) and they can improve based on that.
 

Steve Hendrix

Well-known member
Please note if you are already using the HNNR function.

I had noticed with some RAW files that the radius of the sharpening setting had changed in the new file after using HNNR.
During my tests, it turned out that all radius settings < 1.0 were ignored and set to 1.0 by default. Settings >= 1.0 seem to be applied correctly.

After contacting Hasselblad support today, they responded very quickly after an email exchange. They were able to identify the problem and forwarded it to the development team.

I can only thank the Hasselblad support team for their quick response.

If I zero out all Noise Filter tools and also all Sharpening tools in Phocus Desktop, I still am seeing these results. Denoized file on the left.


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Iskander

Member
If I zero out all Noise Filter tools and also all Sharpening tools, I still am seeing these results. Denoized file on the left.


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Very strange. I have sent a lot of RAW files through the HNNR process. I have never experienced such loss of detail.

Now I have also just switched off all denoising parameters and sharpening for some examples. The details are still available after HNNR.
However, Phocus Mobile 2 in the current version has automatically set the sharpening values to 150, 1.0, 0, 0 after HNNR.

iPadOS 18.2.1
iPad Pro M1 12.9“
 

Steve Hendrix

Well-known member
Very strange. I have sent a lot of RAW files through the HNNR process. I have never experienced such loss of detail.

Now I have also just switched off all denoising parameters and sharpening for some examples. The details are still available after HNNR.
However, Phocus Mobile 2 in the current version has automatically set the sharpening values to 150, 1.0, 0, 0 after HNNR.

iPadOS 18.2.1
iPad Pro M1 12.9“

Do you mean those are the values that you see in Phocus desktop once you import them?


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Iskander

Member
Do you mean those are the values that you see in Phocus desktop once you import them?


Steve Hendrix/CI
No. I am only talking about processing within Phocus Mobile 2.

Attached is an example of the original RAW (ISO 1600). Below the HNNR-generated file. Phocus Mobile 2 has changed the sharpening settings on its own.
Hasselblad support is aware of this, as I had reported it. It has been forwarded to the development team.

I have not yet tried importing to Phocus Desktop. However, I don't have much hope, as I am currently working with Windows and there have been no updates for a long time.
 

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SrMphoto

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No. I am only talking about processing within Phocus Mobile 2.

Attached is an example of the original RAW (ISO 1600). Below the HNNR-generated file. Phocus Mobile 2 has changed the sharpening settings on its own.
Hasselblad support is aware of this, as I had reported it. It has been forwarded to the development team.

I have not yet tried importing to Phocus Desktop. However, I don't have much hope, as I am currently working with Windows and there have been no updates for a long time.
Did Phocus Mobile change the vignetting to 100 as well?
On my Phocus Mobile, the default values for the original 3FR are amount:100, radius: 1.0, while the HNNR file has amount:150, radius: 1.0. However, when transferred to Phocus on desktop, HNNR has the same values as the original 3FR file (100/1.0).
 

buildbot

Well-known member
training neural network models is not trivial.
Some are, some are less so, a denoising model is towards the less so (depending on many factors; I don't know how they did things). Much cheaper than a large language model like gpt4 or llama 405b. So hopefully they should be able to update it reasonably quickly vs. once every few years.
 

jduncan

Active member
So is the workflow, to bring the raw into Phocus Mobile from the camera, fix the noise then send it back to the camera? All of this being done in the field? On a phone? Using Wifi and draining battery life?

So you take 200 images in a shoot, 1/2 of them could benefit from this noise reduction. Are you going to manually import 100 image or more images into the phone, add this feature and then send the images back to the camera.

Surely no one is going to attempt to work on a 100MP file on a iPhone and do any serious work.

I see the clear advantage to the image quality, just can't see working with Mobile to get there.

Just can't drink the Kool Aid on this one.



Paul
Hi,

you may want to look at this video :

The new version uses an M4 processor a Laptop class but runs a very light operating system and has a Thunderbolt 4 connection.
Few years ago people started to edit video on such devices, amazing no:


Jokes aside, yes, you can use an iPad. It's fascinating how some people view this development negatively just because it's Hasselblad. It's amusing, but the real issue is that this partisan, sports-fan mentality is seeping into politics, justice, the economy, and more. The world is on the brink of falling apart. While the shakeout might be beneficial in the long run, it often reminds me of the Cold War and even the period before World War II (I not that old, but I have read it).


Best regards,
 

MGrayson

Subscriber and Workshop Member
So is this feasible: You shoot with the X2D untethered, you later take the CFast card, read its contents into an iPad, open the files in Phocus Mobile and do HNNR conversion on them? The bottleneck in my mind is the wireless transfer speed from the X2D to the iOS device.

I'm trying to get my head around a good workflow.
 

SrMphoto

Well-known member
Note that many seem already to be using iPads instead of computers while traveling with Hasselblad cameras.
 
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