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The Hasselblad X2D II and the Old and Newer XCD Lenses

Well, heavy ice storm brought down the Internet for 24 hours, iced the trees twice, and paved a layer of solid ice on streets and sidewalks. Wires for phone and Internet are hanging down a few feet from the ground. The Internet wire just was replaced and I can post.

The big trees are dropping ice-heavy branches, especially the fir trees. The power is out, not here but wherever the transformers we need are. We have a Generac, a whole house power unit, yet no need to use it. Everything here was completely iced yesterday, and then double-dipped for this morning. This is northern Michigan in winter.

I’m in here peering out at the ice and then, putting on ice cleats, I ventured outside briefly and snapped a few photos. It feels like a snow day when I was a kid and didn’t have to go to school. Anyway, I wanted to get back online for this post.

I am told that ‘professional’ photographers love the new Hasselblad XCD V series, the XCD 25mm, 28mm, 38mm, 55mm, 75mm, 90mm, and 35-100mm BECAUSE they are so similar in color, tone, and also have C-AF, and that aside from the length of the lens (mm), these lenses can be swapped seamlessly with one another to complete a photo project.

I can see how that is true, but I still favor differences in draw and style that make a particular lens special. I like the ‘special” and am used to it the Nikon system, both traditional and mirrorless. Don’t get me wrong. I love the older Hasselblad XCD lenses, yet I too appreciate the lighter weight, less bulk, and faster focus of the new XCD V series. Yet I do wonder if the IQ is as good as these older XCD lenses. To me, it’s not. And I have learned that with Hasselblad to go for the image quality and not the convenience on my aging body.

In other words, for me there are two trains running here and I can see the value in both sets of lenses, old and newer. For the street and field photographer, who has to back pack his lenses on foot, of course the newer XCD series is appreciated because their lighter weight and less bulk are a breakthrough.

Yet to the degree that the new V series loses any of the sharpness, and micro contrast of the older XCD series (like the 80mm f/1.9 and the 120mm f/3.5), I am troubled by that. Of course, we want it both ways, the finest glass and also the lightest weight and bulk, and I hate to choose between the two. Yet, if I do, I vote for the finer glass, unless I have to haul it around because of the significant added weight.

Since I am in the studio at least half the year because of the winter here in northern Michigan, in the studio I don’t care about the weight and bulk factors of the older XCD lenses, although I am aware that they don’t in some respects measure up to the recent XCD lenses. And they don’t… quite.

I do love the convenience of these newer lenses, and I often find myself grabbing them more than I perhaps should. Some of the old lenses themselves are sharper and have more ‘style’ or whatever we could agree what makes a lens special. And some people are saying that although these newer lenses may NOT be as sharp, etc., yet they are good enough. What? Run that past me again, please.

And I hear loud and clear that many photographers don’t care or worry about losing a little sharpness or quality in the bargain, in trade for lighter weight, size, and focus speed. However, I would like to have both the finest glass and also the best autofocus, etc.

I hedge my own bets by getting as many of the new V XCD series as I can afford and keeping my older XCD lenses as well. That will be my solution, although that’s an expensive decision: keep all of them. I don’t believe that I will give up the XCD 80mm /f/1.9 lens, no matter how bulky, heavier, and slow the focus is.

Of course, I am not ignorant that over time, the new style lenses will drift us forward into adopting them and consigning the old- style XCD lenses to history. My only hope, as mentioned, is that over time the new style XCD lenses will regain whatever was lost in sharpness and style with the older series in favor of convenience.

Certainly, I do have enough of the new XCD series with the operative A-FC feature to satisfy my need for them. And I have already decided not to sell off my older XCD lenses, but I will hang on to them until I’m sure I don’t need them

Yet not all of us are street photographers or sports photographers, in particular those who worry about how the new XCD lenses fare with shooting landscape photos. And I don’t feel it is fair or correct to dismiss the landscape crowd and say they are just pixel peepers or whatever. That’s not the case IMO.

Photographers like Lloyd Chambers, who specialize in how lenses behave for landscape shooting, very carefully points out and documents the effects of an undue amount of focus-shift for landscape photos in a lens and how some focus shift is almost impossible to adjust away. I have tested his tests and he is correct. However, what he points out will not trouble most folks, even me, because I am not a landscape photographer, except when I am.

In other words, I don’t happen to be that skilled in landscape photography, so I’m not too worried about these problems for my work, yet as mentioned I have examined for myself what Chambers points out, and he is right on the money about the existence of focus shift problems for some of the newer Hasselblad XCD lenses. We can measure it.

I am more interested in the new lenses being free of Chromatic aberration, lenses that are sharp enough for that not to be a problem, and what matters to me more are color, micro-contrast, and composition. For my work, the focus shift problems with the new XCD lenses don’t impinge on what I am doing, because I lean more toward close-up and midrange photography. Yet I can understand why the landscape crowd is concerned.

So, I’m happy with the new XCD lenses for all the reasons they are popular and I am already using them much of the time, and again, often for convenience. They are expensive and I try to but used and they seem fine. At the same time, I’m not about to give up the XCD 120mm, the XCD 80mm f/1.9, and some other early XCD lenses. At least that’s my view until the IQ of the newer lenses (which is good enough for most everything) is improved or even better new lenses appear.

What I ‘AM’ missing is a new and more modern XCD macro lens that is as sharp as the old XCD 120mm, and perhaps a replacement for the XCD 135mm with a teleconverter that is light, portable, and yet of the same quality.

Hasselblad X2D2 with the XCD-38mm lens
 

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SrMphoto

Well-known member
Do we have any controlled (tripod, equal exposure, etc.) comparisons between the new and old lenses that show the difference and the magnitude of difference?
 

Precision

Active member
Yeah, that combination- the 135 f2.8 and the autofocus enhancements of the X2Dii really play well together . When I tested the X2Dii that was a favorite combination Alas, there is no new version of that focal length to compare. I’ve also always regarded the 65f2.8 as a spectacular lens, I guess I could bake my copy off against the 55 f2.5 but, alas, no X2Dii here - I’ve rented one a few times but have not pulled the ownership trigger.
 

Gbealnz

Well-known member
Interesting thoughts here, thank you Michael.
I too wondered about the merit of the 55 vs the 65, and the 28 vs the 30. In the end I got the 30 and the 65, trading my 55 for them, plus a bit of cash adjustment.
However after carrying the X2D and these two weighty lenses about I am re-thinking the 28P idea at least. I need to find a used copy and own plus test both, and decide.
 

Godfrey

Well-known member
My 907x lens kit is the XCD 21, 45P, and 65. They all work great, but the 65 is quite heavy and the 21 is quite large. I've been considering acquiring the 28P lens for its compactness and light weight. I haven't had opportunity to try any of the new series lenses yet.

G
 
Yes to all the above. I can't live with the older XCD lenses and can't live without them. I have bought the XCD 55mm twice so far, and this time I am keeping it. In winter, in the studio it does not much matter whether I have a heavy, bulkin lens or not. However, I still find myself grabbing the new XCDs, so that becomes my Magic 8-Ball. It appears that I am using the new ones more of the time. It's not just the 'laziness' in me. I like the new lenses. Yet, I still have all the old ones. Hmmm. Here is one with the XCD 135mm and X 1.7 teleconverter, the lens I sold, but now I want it back.GREEN-FROG-B0248450-HB-135+1.jpg
 

Knorp

Well-known member
I've opted for the 'Petit' series; 28P, 45P, 75P.
Would like adding an 1.9/80 or a 3.2/90 or a 2.8/135.
 

Geoff

Well-known member
Have the 28 for travel (just too small not to have it), the 30 for architectural work. With lens corrections, it's very good. The 28 is a bit soft on the edges - OK for most shots, but not the same as the 30. And the 135 is big, but oh so lovely. One of the favorites - good images just come from it.
 

Pieter 12

Well-known member
I've opted for the 'Petit' series; 28P, 45P, 75P.
Would like adding an 1.9/80 or a 3.2/90 or a 2.8/135.
The 80 1.9 is a wonderful lens. But in contrast to the P lenses you have, it is a heavy, bulky monster. It needs 2 AF motors to move all that glass.
 
Have the 28 for travel (just too small not to have it), the 30 for architectural work. With lens corrections, it's very good. The 28 is a bit soft on the edges - OK for most shots, but not the same as the 30. And the 135 is big, but oh so lovely. One of the favorites - good images just come from it.
I hear that. Why not use the 45P instead of the 28. I agree about the softness of the 28.
 

Photon42

Well-known member
My 907x lens kit is the XCD 21, 45P, and 65. They all work great, but the 65 is quite heavy and the 21 is quite large. I've been considering acquiring the 28P lens for its compactness and light weight. I haven't had opportunity to try any of the new series lenses yet.

G
I think you would like the 28p with your 907x. I do, at least. Compact and practically silent.
 

mristuccia

Well-known member
In the beginning there were the original XCD prime lenses.
Then, the Versatile and the Portable ones arrived. And the Exclusive, but they are all zooms.
The original lenses are now relegated to the status of “other” lenses.

Am I the only one who thinks we‘re gradually compromising on state of the art quality, a tiny step after the other, steps so tiny that we‘re not even able to perceive what’s happening?
Sure, you may say: “they are all excellent! And I love the versatility, or the portability. And I don’t see any difference in quality by the way.”. And that’s probably true. But this is not the point. The point is not the practicality but the principle. Not offering a renovated series of non-versatile, non-portable, non-zoom lenses, but straight state of the art primes instead, makes me think that someone in Sweden/China is giving up on what was their legacy: providing technically unsurpassed image quality. Even if only on the paper.
I still remember the times of the Superachromats, fascinating times.
 
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I hear that, and have the same thoughts, and I believe once we absorb these new lenses, yet other lenses will arrive with a boost in quality, which I would appreciate. At the same time, I am glad, when I can, use the new lighter weight, smaller, and less cumbersome lenses, and find myself reaching for them more often than I feel I should, so I understand what is happening here. And while I love all the Hasselblad lenses, especially for the color science, I don't love the conformity (too granular) of all the lenses, which lack a certain refinement I can't quite put my finger on. However, I still have my Nikon system, with lenses like the 59 NOCT f/0.95 and the 135 Nikon Plena, which have a more delicate touch, IMO.
 
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Godfrey

Well-known member
I must not be as demanding as some of you are. I have a mix of old and new Hasselblad lenses in V and X mount, and to my eyes they're all outstanding. To my eye, the differences are mostly "Eh?" And they all make superb photographs. I'd rather concentrate on the photographs, and just keep working with these lenses that I have.

A 28P would be a nice addition for its handy size and low weight with the 907x. :)

G
 

tenmangu81

Well-known member
The three lenses I have are fantastic, but not for the same reasons.
The 45P is very sharp (a little bit too sharp...) and lightweight, the 90 f3.2 is very, very good, but I use it less and less as it is a little heavy, and the 55V is the one I use most of the time by now, as it is rather light and easy to use. I bought it after having sold my XCD65, probably one of the best lenses Hasselblad made, but too heavy for me for a multipurpose lens to be carried everywhere.
The 55V (and maybe some recent lenses) are subject to a failing quality control : I was lucky mine is good, although not perfect in the corners wide open. It could show some field curvature. But from f4, it is perfect.
I intend to buy the 28P very soon. It is rather cheap when compared to other HB optics, and very light. And I miss a wide angle.
 

darr

Well-known member
This is a thoughtful reflection, and I understand the nostalgia for the earlier XCD primes — there are some truly special lenses in that original group.

Speaking only from my own use, I’ve never felt that the original XCD primes have been displaced in any meaningful way. I work almost exclusively with a small prime set — the 28P, 45P, and 75P — and what continues to impress me is not just resolution, but how consistently beautiful the files are in terms of tonal transitions, color, and micro-contrast. Those qualities matter more to me than absolute sharpness or theoretical ceilings.

I also think it’s worth separating measurable behavior from practical image quality. Focus shift, MTF differences, and edge behavior certainly exist and are important in specific applications, but in real photographs — with real subjects, light, and intent — the differences between these lenses are often far subtler than the discussions suggest.

For my work, rendering is the deciding factor. How a lens draws, how it handles tonal compression, transitions, and color — those things stay with you far longer than whether one lens resolves a little more at the edges on a test chart.

I don’t personally see Hasselblad abandoning optical excellence so much as adapting it to a different set of constraints: autofocus performance, portability, system consistency, and usability in the field. That inevitably changes design priorities, but I’m not convinced it represents a retreat from quality — just a different optimization.

In practice, I’ve learned far more about lenses from living with images over time than from specifications or test results. The photographs tend to answer these questions more clearly than theory ever does.
 
Makes sense. I had but sold the XCD 135 and extension, but want it back. The new V lenses and more practical, but IMO are forcing Hasselblad to me a different kind of camera, perhaps.

THe whole group of XCD are so sharp that there is little need for focus stacking, however the search for good bokeh is tough. I see that the new lenses are changing how Hasselblad is received. And in truth I too am tired of the heavy, clunky, and slow XCD lenses. I see no reason we do not have a new macro and get rid of the XCD 120mm. what the X2D2 does is wonderful, what it does not do forces my to get out my Nikon systems. Hasselblad by these newer lenses is forcing us to view Hasselblad anew, perhaps not so IQ oriented, but much more convenient and almost a street or even light sports camera.
 
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