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The Leica Picture Thread

Knorp

Well-known member
Bart,

Many thanks for your helpful reply, and yes; I too was shut out from the forum for a while. Should I presume that 'Soft Image Sharpening 1' is part of Capture One? It would really help me if you could reveal which f-stop you likely used on the 'NEMO rooftop' shot.

I've been puzzled by the difference in results offered from your [M11 platform] renderings and those from Fred Miranda. He used an M10-R and maybe the Heliar lens plays more nicely with the M11 sensor than with the M10-R sensor. For what it's worth I'm thinking of getting an LTM version and finally using my code-able John Millich LTM 35mm M mount adapter left over from M8 days. But boy; that wretched 34mm filter size is an idiotic choice .......

Just two more questions for you Bart if you don't mind. Many thanks.

............ Chris
Hi Chris,

The 'NEMO rooftop' must have been shot with F8. Point of focus was the 'Avanti' ship.
I noticed the background is slightly less sharp, so perhaps F11 would have been the better choice.
Capture One Pro 'Soft Image Sharpening 1' is defined as 190/1.3/1.0
No idea how that translates to similar settings for LR or the likes.

A question for you: why did FM results put you off in the first place ?

Because remarkably, it was precisely FM's review that convinced me and made me buy the lens.
I've posted the Leicarumors' link referring to that FM's review here a couple of days ago.
Really I read it as a very positive article.

All the best.
 
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pegelli

Well-known member
Ha 'B L' , now you're grossly exaggerating. I can't speak for Pieter, but anyway I do feel greatly flattered nonetheless ... :giggle:

All the very best.
+1, I'm flattered too. But to add to what Bashir said, for me sharpness is overrated and I'm much more looking at rendering character when using lenses and trying to use that to my advantage rather than obsessing over increasing the number of lines/mm that a lens might be able to show. To quote Ansel Adams: "There's nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept".
 

Knorp

Well-known member
Bart,

Many thanks for your helpful reply, and yes; I too was shut out from the forum for a while. Should I presume that 'Soft Image Sharpening 1' is part of Capture One? It would really help me if you could reveal which f-stop you likely used on the 'NEMO rooftop' shot.

I've been puzzled by the difference in results offered from your [M11 platform] renderings and those from Fred Miranda. He used an M10-R and maybe the Heliar lens plays more nicely with the M11 sensor than with the M10-R sensor. For what it's worth I'm thinking of getting an LTM version and finally using my code-able John Millich LTM 35mm M mount adapter left over from M8 days. But boy; that wretched 34mm filter size is an idiotic choice .......

Just two more questions for you Bart if you don't mind. Many thanks.

............ Chris
Indeed, 34mm seems an awkward choice.
You could try to find a step-up adapter, but perhaps that turns out to be just another hen’s teeth …
BTW the Heliar 2.8/40mm will trigger the 50mm frame lines.

Kind regards.
 

Chris C

Member
.............. 'NEMO rooftop' must have been shot with F8..... focus was the 'Avanti' ship....... perhaps F11 would have been the better choice.
Capture One Pro 'Soft Image Sharpening 1' is defined as 190/1.3/1.0
........... why did FM results put you off in the first place ?........ it was precisely FM's review that convinced me and made me buy the lens...... I read it as a very positive article.
Bart,
Thank you for another helpful reply, I had no intention to derail this thread, but solid information about the 40 Heliar is thin on the ground, and I hope that perhaps others might find your feedback useful too. In answer to what put me off the lens :

I thought the corner performance and noted moustache shape-shifting plane of focus demonstrated in Fred Miranda's review made for a truly ugly lens rendition. The black M mount version suggests unacceptable resistance to coding, the choice of 43mm filter thread is an unnecessarily crass choice given that [e.g.] B+W filters start at 37mm, and a more 'normal' choice of 39mm would still give a small footprint lens [such as the 28mm LTM Colour Skopar f3.5 does –– I have one]. The cramped haptics of the focus action and revolving aperture ring are not endearing, neither is work-around purchase of the LTM version to bypass coding issues with the black M mount version. And the lens, like other Voigtlander cone shaped lenses is an ugly shape.

I am one of those experienced workers who just knows that 40mm is my Goldilocks focal length. If 35mm or 40 mm are right for others then they have a fantastic range of lenses to choose from, but we 40 workers are left with a lamentable choice of half century old issue-lenses or Voigtlander's heavy brick lens, or the well past retirement other Voigtlander f1.4 [I have the f1.2 big brick lens]. For years I have craved a modern, slowish, 40mm lens, say, something akin to the performance of an APO Lanther or modernised 40 mm Summicron. The 40mm Heliar suggested to me I will never see my craved lens as Voigtlander design priorities lie in another direction, and I have given up hope of that revamped 40 Summicron in my remaining lifetime. And yet, and yet; your posts have made me reconsider ............


Indeed, 34mm seems an awkward choice. You could try to find a step-up adapter, but perhaps that turns out to be just another hen’s teeth …BTW the Heliar 2.8/40mm will trigger the 50mm frame lines.
Voigtlander should be embarrassed by the bodging attempts [in the F.M. review] to fit filters on the 40mm Heliar, [I have my own bodge fit of a 486 IR/UV-cut filter in mind post-purchase]. And yes 50mm framelines is usual, hence my intended LTM to M mount adapter ring which will give me 35mm framelines and coding.

No more questions. My apologies to others for any thread derailing. My thanks to you Bart.

................ Chris
 

PeterA

Well-known member
All these snaps where with teh SL2 and 24 M - I use my cameras mainly as a journal an diary - I thought maybe some people might be interested to see what my part of Sydney looks like....in a small series one morning...

When in Sydney at home in Manly I often go for a swim in the morning between South Manly where teh Manly Surf Living Club is situated and Shelley Beach which is a beach around teh headland and a swin of about a kilometer as the crow flies...

This is what the outside of teh Manly SLSC looks like when the swimmers are all getting back and showering outside and having chats..

Manly SLSC-1.jpg

if you look to your left you get a view looking North to the other end of Manly Beach and what is known as Queenscliff - where we live when in Sydney - right next to teh tallest tower way down the other end of the beach...

Manly SLSC3-1.jpg

Sometimes I go for a walk for breakfast afterwards half way to Shelly Beach along a curving pathway which follows the headland around

Manly SLSC5-1.jpg

the cafe is called the Bower and the blue morning light becomes somewhat warmer by 8.30am and in summer already we get the high contrast Australian flat light

Manly SLSC6-1.jpg

this cafe presents many opportunities for people watching and nice snaps as it is a wayfare to Shelley Beacg further on...

Manly SLSC7-1.jpg

the view straight from teh cafe is towards Fairy Bower - a headland and shallow reef which when the surf is pumping delivers a beautiful right hander for those who dont mind a long paddle to get there on Sunday it was fairly flat with a tiny 3 foot swell Manly SLSC8-1.jpg

if you look over the wall you can get some lovely abstracts if so inclined

Manly SLSC11-1.jpg

or photographs of many different people doing their thing climbing into the water and snorkeling - as this area is a nature reserve and has many interesting shallow water vegetation/rock and small fish ...

Manly SLSC15-1.jpg
 

Knorp

Well-known member
Bart,
Thank you for another helpful reply, I had no intention to derail this thread, but solid information about the 40 Heliar is thin on the ground, and I hope that perhaps others might find your feedback useful too. In answer to what put me off the lens :

I thought the corner performance and noted moustache shape-shifting plane of focus demonstrated in Fred Miranda's review made for a truly ugly lens rendition. The black M mount version suggests unacceptable resistance to coding, the choice of 43mm filter thread is an unnecessarily crass choice given that [e.g.] B+W filters start at 37mm, and a more 'normal' choice of 39mm would still give a small footprint lens [such as the 28mm LTM Colour Skopar f3.5 does –– I have one]. The cramped haptics of the focus action and revolving aperture ring are not endearing, neither is work-around purchase of the LTM version to bypass coding issues with the black M mount version. And the lens, like other Voigtlander cone shaped lenses is an ugly shape.

I am one of those experienced workers who just knows that 40mm is my Goldilocks focal length. If 35mm or 40 mm are right for others then they have a fantastic range of lenses to choose from, but we 40 workers are left with a lamentable choice of half century old issue-lenses or Voigtlander's heavy brick lens, or the well past retirement other Voigtlander f1.4 [I have the f1.2 big brick lens]. For years I have craved a modern, slowish, 40mm lens, say, something akin to the performance of an APO Lanther or modernised 40 mm Summicron. The 40mm Heliar suggested to me I will never see my craved lens as Voigtlander design priorities lie in another direction, and I have given up hope of that revamped 40 Summicron in my remaining lifetime. And yet, and yet; your posts have made me reconsider ............




Voigtlander should be embarrassed by the bodging attempts [in the F.M. review] to fit filters on the 40mm Heliar, [I have my own bodge fit of a 486 IR/UV-cut filter in mind post-purchase]. And yes 50mm framelines is usual, hence my intended LTM to M mount adapter ring which will give me 35mm framelines and coding.

No more questions. My apologies to others for any thread derailing. My thanks to you Bart.

................ Chris
Your mentioning of a IR/UV-cut filter suggests you're shooting an M8.
But did you ever consider a Minolta M-Rokkor 1:2.0/40mm (ø 40,5mm) ?

Kind regards.
 

Chris C

Member
...... IR/UV-cut filter suggests you're shooting an M8.....ever consider a Minolta M-Rokkor 1:2.0/40mm (ø 40,5mm) ?
Bart,

I have an M8 but 40mm is not for it. My main camera is an M10-R, but plan to move to the M11 platform later in the year [if/when the M11 virus is sorted out].

Minolta; yes, I even bought one a few years back –– from one of Europe's 'prestige' dealers. The lens elements arrived shockingly filthy and when properly cleaned; test image highlights didn't so much 'glow' as blob – it was returned, and a horrible, expensive lesson was learnt. The good M-Rokkors and 40 Summicrons are being held onto and are prized by owners I suspect, I'm now resolved not to chase perfect 50 year old lenses in the hope of getting a good one.

The M10 platform can suffer IR [and UV?] pollution. I prefer to keep 486 filters on my lenses [except my Voigtlander 15mm Heliar III].

Best wishes to you,

.............Chris
 

scho

Well-known member
Steelworks , IJmuiden NL ...



| m11-p | vario-elmar-r 4.0/35-70mm |
Bart,
Did you focus this using the LCD or EVF attachment? Are there focus aids like magnification and/or peaking on the M11 LCD? I also have a nice copy of this lens but never tried it on an M camera.
 

Knorp

Well-known member
Bart,
Did you focus this using the LCD or EVF attachment? Are there focus aids like magnification and/or peaking on the M11 LCD? I also have a nice copy of this lens but never tried it on an M camera.
Hi there Carl,

The M11 LCD indeed provides focus peaking and magnification.
But basically the LCD without my glasses is of no use to me.
My arms are simple too short and a slight astigmatism doesn't help either.
So for all non-rangefinder coupled lenses I need some kind of aid: bring on the Visoflex-2 EVF !
Oddly and luckily at the same time, I can focus pretty good with my left eye without any correction to the OVF.

All the best.
 
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