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Would you trade a HB Xcd21 for a Xcd28p?
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Mario,
I don’t think I would, if I wanted the slightly less wide option I’d simply find the funds to have both.
Silly as it sounds I am looking for a 28P at some stage, I already have the XCD30mm. My dealer was of the opinion that the 30mm was better optically than the 28P, and the used 30mm was cheaper than the new 28P, so I went that way.
Beautiful lens, for sure, but like you have suggested with the 21mm, heavy (and bigger).
My plan is to secure a 28P, try it, and see. Then decide if I retain both, or sell one.
Then I can work on a weight loss program for my XCD65, it is a wonderful lens, except for the size/weight.
Gary
I don’t think I would, if I wanted the slightly less wide option I’d simply find the funds to have both.
Silly as it sounds I am looking for a 28P at some stage, I already have the XCD30mm. My dealer was of the opinion that the 30mm was better optically than the 28P, and the used 30mm was cheaper than the new 28P, so I went that way.
Beautiful lens, for sure, but like you have suggested with the 21mm, heavy (and bigger).
My plan is to secure a 28P, try it, and see. Then decide if I retain both, or sell one.
Then I can work on a weight loss program for my XCD65, it is a wonderful lens, except for the size/weight.
Gary
Can't get behind getting rid of the 21, tempted myself - although it is a bit heavy.
As to the 28 and 30, the 30 is better and the 28 has sometimes been a bit soft on the edges but delightful for its small size, a great travel lens. The 30 isfor more serious work...
However, a quick compare at f8, pretty much the same at the edge. Will have to look more closely, although having both are fine.
As to the 28 and 30, the 30 is better and the 28 has sometimes been a bit soft on the edges but delightful for its small size, a great travel lens. The 30 isfor more serious work...
However, a quick compare at f8, pretty much the same at the edge. Will have to look more closely, although having both are fine.
Steve Hendrix
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I concur with Geoff, I can see owning both, because the dramatically different size/weight (and to some degree, the corner performance) lend themselves to different applications. And I've always been a sucker for pancakes.
Steve Hendrix
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usm
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I am always try to exchange lenses instead of adding them. Its not that smart, I know.
I also have the 38v and was thinking to change it to the 55v. Would be a step narrower.
I still have the 45p but never used it after I got the 38v. Not because of the view, I would prefer the angle of view of the 45p. But the speed and handling is so much better.
I do exhibitions and architecture with the XCD21 and the SK35XL, sometimes also with the 38v and I or the client prefers the images from the SK35XL (sometimes stichted). The 28 maybe looks a little more natural than the 21.
My sold Leica setup was: 21, 28 shift, 35, 50
The 35 was the always on lens.
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I also have the 38v and was thinking to change it to the 55v. Would be a step narrower.
I still have the 45p but never used it after I got the 38v. Not because of the view, I would prefer the angle of view of the 45p. But the speed and handling is so much better.
I do exhibitions and architecture with the XCD21 and the SK35XL, sometimes also with the 38v and I or the client prefers the images from the SK35XL (sometimes stichted). The 28 maybe looks a little more natural than the 21.
My sold Leica setup was: 21, 28 shift, 35, 50
The 35 was the always on lens.
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Precision
Active member
I have both as well. The 28P sees more far more use - it’s more or less my go-to for urban exploring because of the size. if I didn’t have the 28P, I believe I would make that trade. i enjoy using the 21mmm but the 28 on the 907x is about like a 21mm on old OM-1 in terms of angle of vie, and that was a favorite combination and how I ”see” for landscape stuff. I just wish it had a DoF scale like the 25v or the 38v
Hi Mario
Please see my post from 6. october 2023
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at 50 minutes and 30 second Per Norlund, the Hasselblad chief ingenier claim that fex coma-wise its twice as good as the competition.
And he sayes : "..we saw quite early that we could achieve really good performance" and "..its a good one..its really a good one".
And that man, Per Norlund, is a very modest man
My own expirience is that it is quite phenomenal, I can't think of any better lens - even though I don't use it that much, actually I use my 28P as my "slappy" everyday lens, which is almost glued on when I walk out with no special intentions, bu I will use the 21/4 soon again for church photos. When you put on the 21/4, it is, as if you have a special attention/consideration/goal by doing that.
So I would like to stress...don't ever sell it(!), you can keep it, and keep it into your mind as a lens you always can go back to, for special and high wideangle enjoyment...
Kind regards Thorkil
Please see my post from 6. october 2023
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I don’t own a medium format digital camera. I have some full frame (Z9, Leica M11M, film cameras). I think the X2D colors look fantastic. I love the build factor and simplicity. I stalled on purchasing to see what Fuji would do (gave up on Leica years ago, had several S systems). I also get a...
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And he sayes : "..we saw quite early that we could achieve really good performance" and "..its a good one..its really a good one".
And that man, Per Norlund, is a very modest man
My own expirience is that it is quite phenomenal, I can't think of any better lens - even though I don't use it that much, actually I use my 28P as my "slappy" everyday lens, which is almost glued on when I walk out with no special intentions, bu I will use the 21/4 soon again for church photos. When you put on the 21/4, it is, as if you have a special attention/consideration/goal by doing that.
So I would like to stress...don't ever sell it(!), you can keep it, and keep it into your mind as a lens you always can go back to, for special and high wideangle enjoyment...
Kind regards Thorkil
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usm
Well-known member
I know you do. I tried it today and will compare it with the 38v.
I was a big fan off manual focus with the Leica M setup, but since I have AF I am lazy...
FloatingLens
Well-known member
I fully share your view on this! Both the 30 and 21 are gems (if you are not in a hurry).
Love the 28P but also have the 25v and 20-35mm because I love wides - for some irrational reason I still sometimes miss my 21mm! Maybe because I like using primes and it's a great one. But if you say you leave it at home due to the weight, that's probably your answer - the 28P is amazingly small and light.
ndwgolf
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I’ve just come back from a winter photography trip to Hokkaido. I took my only 3 x XCD lenses the 38, 90 and 135mm. While I was there I wish I had something wider than the 38v and have been thinking about either the 21v or the 28p……. I’m leaning towards the 28p due to its cost and just thinking 21mm is just too wide……. I will stay tuned
At the end of the day it's for you to decide whether you need the extra wideness of the 21 or the 28p. I bought the 21 but it was too wide for what I do. I could never find any situation that really needed it, so used to crop a bit or was struggling to find a situation or scene that would suit it rather than making the photograph I wanted.. I sold it (for more than the cost of the 28p) and bought the 28p which suits me perfectly - for handheld street and casual photography it suits me but there is no way to advise you that it would suit you. My favourite lens is still the original 45mm - and I bought that with the first batch of X1Ds and used it as my only lens - now on the X2Dii. I now have the 28p, 45mm, 75p (fantastic lens and by Hasseblad's standards affordable) and the older 90 f3.2 - also really good. Recently I have found myself veering away from the 45mm and using the 28p and 75p as pretty much my go to lenses. But that's just me and wouldn't suit everyone. As regards optical quality - I judge everything on A2 prints not on 100% zooms on the screen and can't find anything to complain about with any of those lenses.
wattsy
Well-known member
I think you have answered your own question. If you are cropping the 21/F4 because it is too wide for you and you don't carry it because it is too heavy, there's not much point keeping it if you can trade it for the 28P. I have both lenses and have not used the 21mm for more than a year whereas my 28P is used frequently. I think the 21mm is the better lens optically but that is not so relevant if it is the wrong focal length. The 28P is very good.
I have some sympathy for your predicament because the used value of the 21mm has fallen dramatically since the 20-35E lens was introduced and it feels a shame to sell/trade such a stellar lens (which the 21mm is) for something like a third of its original new cost. However, not selling it or trading it for a lens that might suit you better is a variation on the sunk cost fallacy. Better IMO to get what you will likely use and move forward.