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    M9 images

    Sorry crappy quality on some of them:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/erikfiv...7622195246311/

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    youre a happy bunch

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    Ha ha. I think they were just unhappy to stand and wait while I fondled it

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    What did you think of it Erik?.....Could you handle the X1?...does it feel like a quality camera?.....Neil.

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    may we see a couple of shots taken in the highest ISO? possible?

    i love how the ISO 1600 looks. it has a texture that reminds me of film grain. i'm assuming these were taken in JPG instead of DNG and converted to JPG.
    Last edited by Daniel; 9th September 2009 at 07:59. Reason: never mind about the assumption. you did mention in your caption that images were DNG and converted to JPG.

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    The only camera they had was the M9. I only have iso 160, 1000 and 1600. Sorry. I can fix a yousendit upload if anyone is interested in fondling the DNG´s. You can open them in CS4 and probably several other RAW converters as well.

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    I can't quite put my finger on it yet, but I've noticed in a few shots from both dpreview.com and lenstips.com - are the corners a bit soft? I know I saw it in the Tri-Elmar shot, but even a 2/50 Summicron seems to show it a little. Server problems are keeping the latter images offline at the moment, argh.

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    HI Eric
    How did it feel like an m6 or was there some shutter delay?
    thanks David

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    I find the DP Review sample very disappointing (looking at the hi res downloads), I am certain the M9 is capable of better....my M8 gives much better results.

    Makes you wonder why they even post samples when they are not reflective of the real capabilities of the camera. Then again this is consistent with samples of other high performance cameras, that just don't look all that impressive on their site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dseelig View Post
    HI Eric
    How did it feel like an m6 or was there some shutter delay?
    thanks David
    Hey David

    I only had it for a couple of minutes and didnt pay to much attention. I might go back tomorrow to get some more shots done when its more quiet. Also will check out shutter lag, menu´s etc. I dont think its as snappy as the M6 though...

    I have started to link to DNG downloads under the pics. 2 done 4 to go. I used CS4.

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    Re: M9 images

    All the pics is updated with download link to RAW/DNG for each pic.

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    FWIW, Aperture opens the images just fine.

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    Like to see if C1 will work. If anyone wants to send me one I can try

    [email protected] maybe able to handle a raw
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    Your the man Erik . Downloading it now
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    Nothing ,Nada and zilch on C1
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    Re: M9 images

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Nothing ,Nada and zilch on C1
    Ok. So CS4, LR and Aperture works then?

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    Re: M9 images

    CS4 and LR2.4 all good. Don't have Aperture.
    Best to all,

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    Well, I was able to open it in Aperture (not bad, but noise levels look high there). I was also able to open it in CS3 without any problem, and noise looked a little less, but colors were not as snappy. I then opened it in C1 v4.8.1 and it looked very good. The noise I saw in Aperture (upper right side of image in dark shadow area) was more color blotches, while in C1 v4.8.1, it was transformed more to look like JPEG artifacts of some sort. Hard to explain that part, but the overall colors and appearance in C1 v4.8.1 were the nicest of the bunch.

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    Hmmm I was using 4.8.2 and could not see them
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    Re: M9 images

    here is a screen grab of the file opened in C1 v4.8.1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Nothing ,Nada and zilch on C1
    No problem to open it in C1 v4 (Mac). Profile DNG file neutral. (Little) vignetting tweaked in Silkypix.
    Quite decent for 1000 iso at first glance.
    Rather reddish though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Nothing ,Nada and zilch on C1
    Guy

    I used the Adobe DNG converter prior to opening the DNG in C1. Without the conversion C1 opened nothing. After the conversion C1 opened the file just fine. I have no idea as to the quality in C1 yet but I will be comparing the results from C1 with what I get from Lightroom 2.4 Stay tuned. By the way I think the problem may be with C1 4.8.2 since the folks who are successfully opening it are using 4.8.1 I have also opened the file in Raw Developer but the colors look kind of funky. On second thought I think the colors in all the converters I have tried are funky and it is a question as to which funky you prefer. The lighting here is very difficult and so doesn't present a good file for reference purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Five View Post
    thank you erik.

    well, i know I'M impressed with this example file. i like very much.

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    Yes Woody it must be C1 4.8.2 as the issue
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    Re: M9 images

    Downloaded the RAW's, woooow blotchy at iso 1600. Probably better if exposed correctly but you don't want to be pulling pics at that iso.
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    M9, 75 Summarit, wide open. Resize for web, web sharpen.


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    Thank you, Lloyd. Yummy. Any at ISO 1250 and higher?

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    Okay Lloyd you are tasked to go shoot more. Now that is a direct order. LOL

    Okay I will buy you a Starbucks

    Have fun. I see someone has one that can take some nice images as well.
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    a lot better than the M8 at the same, even considering that the file is about a stop under exposed. I think they got more than a stop, more like two stop's improvement on ISO in the M9. It opens in C1 4.8.1 for me.

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    I think it is at least 1.5 stops from what I seen so far maybe better. That alone will make a few sales

    Thanks Robert on the C1 . Guess I have to get the DNG converter. Any links for that folks
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    Re: M9 images

    I might get a chance to blast the M9 tonight with Nocti f:1, 35 lux asph etc. Will post some pics if I do... Ill bring a light meter.

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    M9, 75 Lux, wide open. Both shot Auto exposure, Auto white balance. web sized Jpg from DNG, otherwise straight out of the camera. ISO 2500:




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    Whats that line going through both pics?

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    Not seeing those flicker images
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    Here are the two images as attachments. Both at ISO 2500. And then 100% crops from them. No doubt about it. There is a line running through both at the same spot. (BTW, I tried to upload the full-sized jpg images, but they were too large.)
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    Last edited by Lloyd; 10th September 2010 at 10:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Five View Post
    Ok. So CS4, LR and Aperture works then?
    Opened in Aperture and it works just fine to me. I like how it looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Here are the two images as attachments. Both at ISO 2500. And then 100% crops from them. No doubt about it. There is a line running through both at the same spot. (BTW, I tried to upload the full-sized jpg images, but they were too large.)
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    Damn. Thats a real bummer. Is it only on high iso or can you see them on low as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Here are the two images as attachments. Both at ISO 2500. And then 100% crops from them. No doubt about it. There is a line running through both at the same spot. (BTW, I tried to upload the full-sized jpg images, but they were too large.)
    Attachment 21838

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    Attachment 21837

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    Lloyd load them in the gallery as big as you want than link us in the posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Five View Post
    Damn. Thats a real bummer. Is it only on high iso or can you see them on low as well?
    I'm looking through some files now to see. So far I'm not seeing it the lower ISO settings. I'll post some examples shortly.

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    Some of us may recall seeing that same sort of line in the M8 files long, long ago. Not suggesting the M9 will have the same sorts of issues, and I really, really hope that it does not, but high ISO is still not the forte of Leica. They are getting a lot better, but still some kinks to get worked out. Not unlike some of the banding issues that Nikon had before they got things smoothed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LJL View Post
    Some of us may recall seeing that same sort of line in the M8 files long, long ago. Not suggesting the M9 will have the same sorts of issues, and I really, really hope that it does not, but high ISO is still not the forte of Leica. They are getting a lot better, but still some kinks to get worked out. Not unlike some of the banding issues that Nikon had before they got things smoothed out.

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    i hope this was a fluke.

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    Well, there is something about reading and clearing the photosites at those higher ISOs that can become a challenge. I think all image files have some issues at the higher limits of what the sensor is supposed to be able to capture. It just was much more pronounced as this sort of line in the M8. I have lots of high ISO shots from the M8 with this sort of problem, and just learned not to shoot at ISO 2500.

    So I too am hoping this is something easily corrected with firmware, but it is unsettling to see it again.

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    Try a different raw processor
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    Yikes!! Here's a shot at ISO 320. It's subtle but it's there... visible in the area under the arm of the man in the background. (Guy, I tried to upload the full-size images to the gallery, and it won't take them.)

    I bought the M8 the first day it was available, and my original copy had a very pronounced line through the frame. Much more visible than this. I have noticed that my latest M8 (my 3rd copy) still has a very subtle line at high ISO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Try a different raw processor
    I using CS4 and Adobe Camera Raw (latest upgrade). I'll try another in a few.

    Here's shot at ISO 320 with my 28 Cron. 100% crop, and this area of the image is clearly under exposed, but the line is there... see in the carpet behind the man's shirt.

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    ...it will be there at all iso's just more visible at higher iso's. also it is independent of raw processors.

    usually the line problems is intermittent in the beginning but eventually becomes permanent. Mine featured a stuck pixel as well. Eventually Leica replaced the sensor.

    camera needs to go in...

    but I'd blame kodak more, it is a "feature" of their sensors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertwright View Post
    ...it will be there at all iso's just more visible at higher iso's. also it is independent of raw processors.
    Yup. I just found it in a shot at 160, which is the lowest I tried. Not happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Yup. I just found it in a shot at 160, which is the lowest I tried. Not happy.
    I would demand to get a new one.

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