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    Nice!!
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    Comparing the Leica 50/1 Noctilux and the CV 50/1.5 Nokton. Tripod mounted, no change in position, just a lens swap.

    One shot with the Nocti wide open, then at 1.4. The CV is shot at 1.5. Can you tell which image is shot with which lens? Interestingly enough, there is a slight difference in perspective between them, and the CV lens has a slightly shorter minimum focus length.

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    My money says 1 is noct wide open, 2 is CV, and 3 is Noct at 1.4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    My money says 1 is noct wide open, 2 is CV, and 3 is Noct at 1.4.
    Send me your money.

    You did get one of the three.

    #1 is the Nocti at 1.4
    #2 is the CV at 1.5
    #3 is the Nocti wide open
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    Here's a crop of a shot with the CV from a very slightly different perspective (I pulled back to the other perspective to accommodate the minimum focus distance of the Nocti), and with a little more processing. (The first three were minimally processed, and all precisely the same.)

    For me, I won't give up the Nocti, but there's clearly nothing wrong with this CV Nokton... especially given that I can by about 15 of them for the price of the Leica lens!


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    In the comparison shots above. #1 is the Nocti at 1.4; 2 is the CV at 1.5; and 3 is the Nocti wide open.

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    I object! I correctly identified the noctilux shots, though I was too blind to figure out the apertures. You made your point though...quite similar, though the Nocton has busier bokeh and more contrast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    I object! I correctly identified the noctilux shots, though I was too blind to figure out the apertures. You made your point though...quite similar, though the Nocton has busier bokeh and more contrast.
    I agree with that assesment... although it's very hard to tell unless they are side-by-side. I think the bokeh looks a little "busier" than it might had I not reduced the size of these files, and sharpened them for web posting. The bokeh seemed a little smoother on all of them before I did those steps.

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    You won't find an argument from me -- the noctilux never really tempted me...even when they were 1500-2000 used, that was a lot of money for a giant heavy lens that is only 1 stop faster and only focuses to 1m. The 75/1.4...now that is another story...
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    I recently visited Galloway in Scotland with my M8. I created a panorama from four M8 & 35mm Summilux images.

    Here is the result :

    http://www.pbase.com/gdallask/image/109317090

    A few days later I "discovered" Nik Colour Effex Pro and downloaded the trial version. Here is the same image with a bit of attention to the sky and the addition of a polarising filter effect :

    http://www.pbase.com/gdallask/image/109599633

    I have to say, I like the enhanced version but it somehow feels wrong. What do others think?
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    I agree. I think the first version has more subtle and natural colors. Sometimes it is hard to improve on nature...
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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    Street photography at Paris,

    first go at some shooting in a World City. All picts taken with Color Skopar 21mm/f4.
    Camara at waist level, shutter a 1/500th , diaf at 5,6 and 8.

    Theme: Mobile Phones and MP3's
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    a few more ... attempts
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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    Geoff, They are both beautiful, but I like the punched-up version best.

    Bebert, Nice series. #8 is my favorite. There is a lot to explore in that photo.

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    a few more ... attempts
    Some very nice results. Interestingly consistent theme... iPods and Cell phones!

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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

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    M8/CV Ultron 28mm f2
    Wonderful image! And welcome to the forum.
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    Bebert - I love #3 in the first set, and #3 and #5 in the second set. Great work!
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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    Quote Originally Posted by gDallasK View Post
    I recently visited Galloway in Scotland with my M8. I created a panorama from four M8 & 35mm Summilux images.

    Here is the result :

    http://www.pbase.com/gdallask/image/109317090

    A few days later I "discovered" Nik Colour Effex Pro and downloaded the trial version. Here is the same image with a bit of attention to the sky and the addition of a polarising filter effect :

    http://www.pbase.com/gdallask/image/109599633

    I have to say, I like the enhanced version but it somehow feels wrong. What do others think?
    Geoff - I prefer the second version (enhanced). It has far more interest for me - especially the sky.

    If you were going to use the first version, I think you'd want to crop out some of the sky to keep the interest on the water.

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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    Thx folks for the nice comments.

    Here another theme: Rue Saint Denis Paris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bébèrt View Post
    Thx folks for the nice comments.

    Here another theme: Rue Saint Denis Paris
    Hmm... interesting indeed. Well done.

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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    Is that prostitution, or some kind of performance art?
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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    Where's the red light?
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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    it's the new fur collection for this spring..
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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    Well since your showing Foxy Ladies of the Night.... Heres Some Men

    First Shot /M8 1962 lux /while going 70 mph
    Man on The Beach ...(cheating on an M8 thread with an RD1 )

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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    being new to the world of M8 / two days...
    here is another post...
    I ADORE 160 Day & Night
    but find 1250 & up a total waste for me
    Grain I Luv in Film
    BUT peach Fuzz Noise does not work for me in digital

    The Rd1/s really worked brilliantly @1600

    Any secrets OR Tips Please Divulge

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    Well since your showing Foxy Ladies of the Night.... Heres Some Men

    First Shot /M8 1962 lux /while going 70 mph
    Man on The Beach ...(cheating on an M8 thread with an RD1 )
    You certainly have a way with that "vintage" glass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    being new to the world of M8 / two days...
    here is another post...
    I ADORE 160 Day & Night
    but find 1250 & up a total waste for me
    Grain I Luv in Film
    BUT peach Fuzz Noise does not work for me in digital

    The Rd1/s really worked brilliantly @1600

    Any secrets OR Tips Please Divulge
    Beautiful image... looks 3D!

    As for higher ISOs on the M8, I find that processing them in Capture One seems to work best for me.

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    You're getting it dialed in Helen! As for low light and the M8, I don't do that much of it, but I think what you need is fast glass, a steady hand, and a willingness to see the beauty of what it does best as more than enough compensation for its less-than-stellar low light ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    being new to the world of M8 / two days...
    here is another post...
    I ADORE 160 Day & Night
    but find 1250 & up a total waste for me
    Grain I Luv in Film
    BUT peach Fuzz Noise does not work for me in digital

    The Rd1/s really worked brilliantly @1600

    Any secrets OR Tips Please Divulge

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    Hi Helen,

    An M8?????

    Congratulations!

    Regarding 1250 and 2500 on the M8 I actually find both very usable. Are you using C1? If you ensure that the darks are actually exposed and not off the histogram you should be fine. Try the auto ISO perhaps, this seems to use the higher ISOs earlier than you otherwise might. I will dig out some example when I am on my home PC. In very low light try the C mode with long exposure times and the second shot is often very sharp as the first absorbed the shock of the shutter press.

    Congratulations once again!

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    Helen -- cool, you're getting used to focusing -- beautiful!

    not to dissuade people from giving you tips but, the more i see, the more i remain staunch in my belief that the R-D1 has better high ISO. it very likely has to do with 6mp v. 10mp.... have you tried the Auto-ISO on the M8? (wasn't that a firmware update?) sometimes you can get away with a much lower ISO than you think you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    being new to the world of M8 / two days...
    here is another post...
    I ADORE 160 Day & Night
    but find 1250 & up a total waste for me
    Grain I Luv in Film
    BUT peach Fuzz Noise does not work for me in digital

    The Rd1/s really worked brilliantly @1600

    Any secrets OR Tips Please Divulge
    Congratulations, Helen!

    Up to ISO 640 the M8 is not bad. 1250 is still usable, but 2500 is too much.
    I never use it. Like Lloyd says, C1 works great for M8 files, noise seems less than with Lightroom.

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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

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    being new to the world of M8 / two days...


    Any secrets OR Tips Please Divulge
    Shoot at 1250iso or below and don't underexpose. As others noted, use Capture one for the higher ISO files.

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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

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    . . .
    but find 1250 & up a total waste for me
    Grain I Luv in Film
    BUT peach Fuzz Noise does not work for me in digital

    Any secrets OR Tips Please Divulge
    Helen
    Others have given some tips on how to control noise but I think you are looking for ways to use it creatively.
    To best exploit the M8's noise characteristics at 640 & 1250 I like to convert to B&W. Make sure your RAW Converter is not doing much noise reduction (color & luminance), otherwise you may end up with the peach fuzz look which you find unpleasant. A little contrast in the scene seems to help and adding contrast (a lot sometimes) in post processing works wonders. 640 & 1250 really gives a nice texture to the M8 files but it doesn't happen all the time, be patient, you will find it.

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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    Helen I too use the auto iso function max at 640. It keeps me from thinking about it and I have no problem with files in this range. If I hit that ceiling I might use 1250 according to the situation or slap on a faster lens. I also bought a version of C1 but haven't used it yet I'm hooked to LR and CS3. At some point I will probably switch over to C1 but I hate learning new software. Its a Art camera, and you'll use it wonderfully!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwalker View Post
    Helen I too use the auto iso function max at 640. It keeps me from thinking about it and I have no problem with files in this range. If I hit that ceiling I might use 1250 according to the situation or slap on a faster lens. I also bought a version of C1 but haven't used it yet I'm hooked to LR and CS3. At some point I will probably switch over to C1 but I hate learning new software. Its a Art camera, and you'll use it wonderfully!
    I also actually prefer Lightroom (2.2) and use Photoshop CS4, but I have found that on higher ISO shots with the M8, Capture One seems to work a little better. (I also find I sometimes prefer skin tones in portraits processed in C1).

    Another point, if you're shooting jpgs, I suggest you turn off all in-camera sharpening, and set your in-camera contrast to Medium High or High (you may wish to experiment a bit). This seems to work well, especially for b/w shot at high ISO. YMMV.

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    Miserable weather outside, first meeting in about an hour... just goofin' with the Nocti:

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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Another point, if you're shooting jpgs, I suggest you turn off all in-camera sharpening, and set your in-camera contrast to Medium High or High (you may wish to experiment a bit). This seems to work well, especially for b/w shot at high ISO. YMMV.
    I seem to remember a discussion here awhile back about using the M8 with it set to B&W jpegs and shooting at 1250-2500. It generates a certain look that includes some grainy stuff and contrast that some find enjoyable. I tried it once myself and it does in fact produce the gritty punch and blocked-up highlight contrast look that has more than a few fans.

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    Helen:

    I started a thread on Auto ISO a while back.

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5141

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    M8-Summicron 50mm f2

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    M8-Summicron 50mm f2
    Very nice. Love how the Summicron 50 renders on the M8.

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    Me too, that cron shot looks nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevem8 View Post
    Not sure if I posted this here yet?? 50 Lux at F8.
    I think you might have, but it's a gorgeous shot, and I'm glad to see it again!

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    I did, you were right! I deleted it and here is a different one!
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    My other passion.

    Nocti, wide open:

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    I did, you were right! I deleted it and here is a different one!
    Rockin'!!! Love this one!!

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    Diffused window light, dark background.

    35 Summicron ver. IV 1/180 @ f2 (ISO 320, -1.33 EV):

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    Re: More and more fun with M8 images

    Well Thank You All - Lloyd,Tim,Ed,Cam,Hans,Rob,Charles & Mike
    for Your Tips & POV's /Lots for me to work through

    Just a few things the camera is set to :
    WB / Bounce between Auto & daylight
    Compression: DNG + JPG fine
    ISO : 160 (for the moment night & day)
    EV: depending + /- 2/3
    Sharpening: OFF
    Color Saturation: Low
    Contrast: medium-high

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    Dang Lloyd, that 35 Cron looks sweet, plus you had gorgeous light there. Nice shot!!!

    Helen, I have enjoyed your shots as well. Cool stuff! Keep posting!
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    Diffused window light, dark background.

    35 Summicron ver. IV 1/180 @ f2 (ISO 320, -1.33 EV):
    Beautiful shot !

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    Beautiful shot !
    Steve8 and Aerospace... Thank you. Much appreciated.

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