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    Lots of fun to be had with M8 images.

    From Leica Photographie International magazine, October 2009.

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    And a couple more in B&W...
    Nice stuff; interesting architecture. How are you doing your b/w conversions for the M9 files?

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    Lots of fun to be had with M8 images.

    From Leica Photographie International magazine, October 2009.
    Congratulations, Gary. Great stuff.

    (It's a wonder they're allowing images from that archaic M8 into the magazine. You might as well be shooting Tin types, eh? )

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    Mike I noticed in C1 when working with the M9 images compared to the P30+ that the saturation was a little high on the M9 and i lowered it by 10 points and it matched up much better. I know you are using LR and it could be different obviously but I am noticing it in your images the saturation looks a little high. Maybe try a couple comparables that might be known to you. When in doubt try a macbeth Color chart. Btw they are looking nice but a little deep
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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M8 Images

    Very nice Rolo!

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    The saturation is higher in the conversions of the M9 files in both C1 and LR. LR with the profile from the Cornerfix guru is a custom off the macbeth chart for LR. I found the skin tones to be very accurate with no color caste but the solid colors are more vibrant similar to color slide film. RED for example exactly matches the Coke red on their signs..an easy test.

    C1 s profile is a little warmer and has more magenta hue than the LR with Sandy s profile. The Coke RED is more subdued but also has a magenta look . The C1 conversions seem to still have magic in rendering detail but the color isn t better like it was with the M8 files.

    The biggest difference looking at the M8 files and the M9 files same exact light ..is the depth of the color....not only is it more saturated but also more vibrant and with better tone separation. Like when you shot the DMR at sunset over water....the deep blues are like MF. This is a diiferent look than when you just pull the saturation slider over .

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    Thanks Roger yes C1 was and is warmer I noticed as well by about 300 kelvin. I agree on the profile in C1 while very good the color and saturation need a little work. Now you can make a preset in C1 with those corrections and just apply to all when you bring them in. I have not tried Sandy's profile. Probably some more color testing needed and maybe time to take the Color checker inside with strobes and do some comparables and adjustments. If you guys want I obviously can do this with the P30+ since it is a very good color adjusted file that could be a good gold standard to go by and adjust to it. The P30+ is very neutral. If that would help let me know I can shoot it in the studio and provide you guys with the raw. If I had a M9 i could do the same and we will have one in Oregon but not sure we will have strobes with us. Obviously we can also get Jack, Doug and Bob to look at the M9 files since we will have at least one on board. But so far that is what i am seeing in C1.

    If you look back at my review you will notice towards the end i brought this up. Also I neglected to mention a slight red in jpegs only with in camera. i only shot it once like that but picked up on it right away. I guess i was just too busy to mention it at the time.

    Also I don't want to derail this thread so if you wanted to start a thread on M9 and color and maybe we can work on this
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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images

    Thanks guys.

    For these particular shots, I pumped up saturation in LR on purpose for effect (bright clear skies tend to look better with saturation pumped).

    When the shot includes skin, then I keep saturation more constrained.

    Here's an example of one of the architecture shots above.

    First the more neutral (contrained) version (Vibrance -1; Saturation -10):



    And then the "pumped up" version (Vibrance +8; Saturation +2):



    Here's an example of skin tones (Vibrance 0; Saturation -7):



    I agree with Roger that I am generally getting higher saturation in my M9 files than I had in my M8 files. Especially in the Reds. And I'm using the ChromaSoft color profile for the M9, which was carefully calibrated on a MacBeth chart.

    Notice how deep the pink car is in the last shot, even with Saturation dialed down to minus 7. The skin tones are accurate.



    Lloyd - I'm doing my B&W conversions in LR. I outlined the procedure in this post #118 of this thread:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=118
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    Lloyd - I'm doing my B&W conversions in LR. I outlined the procedure in this post #118 of this thread:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=118
    Thanks, Mike. I had seen that one, and in fact copied it to a file I'm keeping on conversions, etc., with the M9. Just wondered if you were doing something new.

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images

    Same workflow on these recent B&W image, Lloyd. But the specifics are fine-tuned for each specific image.

    If I get time later this week, I'll take one of them, show it in it's original color form, and then go through the detailed LR recipe for my B&W conversion on that particular image.

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images

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    Notice how deep the pink car is in the last shot, even with Saturation dialed down to minus 7. The skin tones are accurate.
    Hi Mike - lots of great shots here.
    As for the skin tones on this last shot . . . the inside of the right hand girls thumbs doesn't look right to me . . . and nor do the lips.

    I'm using Aperture, so I'm not using the chroma-soft profiles, but I've got used to the fact that until they get the colours right the reds need a slight hue adjustment (and sometimes, but not often, the magentas as well).

    It was also an issue with the M8, but there, when it was wrong I couldn't ever get it right, with the M9 it just seems to take a small tweak

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images

    Watch out . . . .


    Coming to get you!


    and here's one at 1600 f1.4 with the 50 'lux


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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Mike - lots of great shots here.
    As for the skin tones on this last shot . . . the inside of the right hand girls thumbs doesn't look right to me . . . and nor do the lips.

    I'm using Aperture, so I'm not using the chroma-soft profiles, but I've got used to the fact that until they get the colours right the reds need a slight hue adjustment (and sometimes, but not often, the magentas as well).

    It was also an issue with the M8, but there, when it was wrong I couldn't ever get it right, with the M9 it just seems to take a small tweak
    Jono - the girl on the right had just dipped her hands in the freezing cold ocean. That's the reason for the coloring on her hands.

    One thing I've noticed is that when you bring up the shadows (shadow recovery) in LR, it also changes the hue of the colors. In that particular shot above, I did bring up the shadows, as the sun was to the girls' backs, and their faces were in a bit of shadow. Not too much - maybe about +10 on shadow recovery. I then had to do some tweaking to the color in those areas to adust for the hue drift.

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    Taking the M9 and CV50/1.1 out for a spin yesterday.

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    Sunday Morning Bedroom (50 'lux)
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    Thanks Steve. Wonderful stuff Mike and Jono. Your last shot of the two kids is gorgeous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Sunday Morning Bedroom (50 'lux)
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    So you've got your 'titanium' then ...
    Congrats Jono, still queuing here ...
    Excellent shots btw.

    All the best.
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    Hi There
    Thanks Kurt for the kind words

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    Superb.
    I'm flattered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    So you've got your 'titanium' then ...
    Congrats Jono, still queuing here ...
    Excellent shots btw.

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M8 Images

    just caught this last bit of sun. Every year the same trees put on a show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    just caught this last bit of sun. Every year the same trees put on a show.
    Beautiful, Tim. I can't wait till we get to peak here. (Then you have to pray for a sunny day or two.)

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    Thanks Cindy. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M8 Images

    One from today with R72 filter on the CV 28 f/1.9 at f/8
    Last edited by Cindy Flood; 5th October 2009 at 19:33.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    One from today with R72 filter on the CV 28 f/1.9 at f/8
    That is a beauty, Cindy. Really nice.

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    Thanks, Lloyd.
    It appears that pbase still has a few problems. I came back and my photo was gone. I've fixed the photo, but can't fix your entry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Thanks, Lloyd.
    It appears that pbase still has a few problems. I came back and my photo was gone. I've fixed the photo, but can't fix your entry.
    That is odd. I'm glad your original post is visible. It's worthy for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    That is odd. I'm glad your original post is visible. It's worthy for sure.

    I fixed my OP by deleting the picture from pbase and downloading again. I couldn't fix your post. They have not worked out all of the kinks from pbase since the recent crash.

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    Cindy, that is a wonderful shot and very nice post processing. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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    Cindy,

    Well seen plus GREAT capture and processing. The image has strong 3-D properties and superb texture. Good shot!

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M8 Images

    I was lucky to be around with 28 cron The Day Aurora Came to Town. Overpowering and elegant, she brought a Felliniesque ambiance to the hectic Galata waterfront. Hope you enjoy watching them as much as I did while shooting.
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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M8 Images

    Thank you Osman and John.

    Osman, The first shot is so bold and unusual. I love the composition and the processing adds to the drama. All very nice, but the first is my favorite.

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    The shed behind our house this morning. (I'm not crazy about the light here, hope to get a better version later.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by otumay View Post
    I was lucky to be around with 28 cron The Day Aurora Came to Town. Overpowering and elegant, she brought a Felliniesque ambiance to the hectic Galata waterfront. Hope you enjoy watching them as much as I did while shooting.
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    I'm with Cindy here, Osman. Great series and subject, but this first one... wow.

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M8 Images

    Cindy and Lloyd, thank you very much for your appraisal, it is most appreciated. The first one is also my favorite.
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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M8 Images

    M8, ISO1250, Voigtänder 15mm Super Wide Heliar f4.5. A bit of touch up with Viveza

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel View Post
    M8, ISO1250, Voigtänder 15mm Super Wide Heliar f4.5. A bit of touch up with Viveza

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    Very nice!! I like the touches of color in the clouds in that first one, and the next to last is a winner!

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    sometimes we need a little bit of dreaminess...

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M8 Images

    But that isn't sharp, Cam. Exactly why it looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    But that isn't sharp, Cam. Exactly why it looks great.
    precisely! i got the isolation, but sharpness was gone. proof, alas, that my 35 needs to go in the shop again... so i softened it even more with some of Jeff Ascough's actions.

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    Lovely shot cam -- there is something about metro and train stations that is so beautiful in photographs. Probably because it gathers people in a large, open space, and more or less enforces them to wait. The kinds of things people do and express when they are waiting are quite interesting. As much as I love it here in Iceland, there are certainly times when I miss the subway theater that I had in NYC and Sapporo.
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    i know, Stuart! i am always faced with a quandary -- do i walk somewhere or take the metro...? i should walk, street shots and the like, but i admit to having a weakness for the metro. i also prefer quieter stations, as fishbowl photography gets tedious (not am i really interested in shooting tourists).

    i get into such an intense mode of shooting that i often almost miss my stops -- LOL! as for the stations, there too i can become entranced. i remember being utterly fascinated with an old guy who i thought was looking off the end of the tracks, contemplating jumping. when i looked at the pics later, i saw he was just peeing... i think i was lucky not to get sprayed!

    i've never been to Sapporo, but the shots i've seen have been stunning. and i absolutely adore NYC!!! i may be going back there in december and am seriously contemplating picking up the GRDIII for that. i'm a bit of a wuss, i admit, but feel more comfortable with a smaller camera there. New York has gotten kind of weird about photographers there.

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    Yes, I think I prefer the stations to the trains themselves, but I like them too. Elevated lines in particular are amazing for photographs, as they get such beautiful light -- again, it is forcing people into a glass box and making them wait. Here are a few of my subway/train photos, though I must admit none are with the M8...
    I think Sapporo was particularly beautiful. My favorite photo ever was taken there in an elevated station. It was just an afternoon of exploring, I came to the station, just saw a shot, raised the camera and took a single frame. I remember it as being the 35/1.4 ASPH at f/4 on Tri-x in rodinal 1:100.



    Here are some other ones with various cameras and in various places....








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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M8 Images

    ooh, Stuart! that first one is special! the light and composition are just exquisite! and the mood, spot on.

    note to self: get my butt over to an above ground station on the next sunny day....

    thank you for the inspiration!

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    I´ll try to contribute to all this grate posts. This are from an event to put rings on flamingos near a salt plant. (with the cv 15 or 24 elmarit)

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    Let's call this one duel ... much like the battle of the M8 and M9 threads; or the Leica believers and non-believers; or the drivers of little cars and the drivers of limos. May the force be with you.

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    I shot a Hands On Atlanta event with my daughter and the company tee shirts are all bright RED . I will post a few when I have my files on line. I find if the red gets over saturated that going to the camera calibration sliders ......shift the hue between 4-8 toward yellow and desaturate the red by the same 4-8 range works . This keeps the blues and other colors like K25 without roasting the skin tones.

    This is also true with the M8 ..I shot with both the M8 and the M9 and every image has the same RED shirts ...good test .

    The smoothness of the images is what amazes me ..it reminds me of a fine grain slide film...has a depth of color thats outstanding.

    Most people missed this in E Puts blog about the rendering being smoother and more film like than the Nikon.

    Want to see a good example ...look at Steve McCurry s new website . He has mixed his Kodachromes with mostly Nikon digital files and each image is dated. You can see the difference immediately ..yet the Leica files look like the chromes.




    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hatam View Post
    Thanks guys.

    For these particular shots, I pumped up saturation in LR on purpose for effect (bright clear skies tend to look better with saturation pumped).

    When the shot includes skin, then I keep saturation more constrained.

    Here's an example of one of the architecture shots above.

    First the more neutral (contrained) version (Vibrance -1; Saturation -10):



    And then the "pumped up" version (Vibrance +8; Saturation +2):



    Here's an example of skin tones (Vibrance 0; Saturation -7):



    I agree with Roger that I am generally getting higher saturation in my M9 files than I had in my M8 files. Especially in the Reds. And I'm using the ChromaSoft color profile for the M9, which was carefully calibrated on a MacBeth chart.

    Notice how deep the pink car is in the last shot, even with Saturation dialed down to minus 7. The skin tones are accurate.



    Lloyd - I'm doing my B&W conversions in LR. I outlined the procedure in this post #118 of this thread:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=118

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images

    Mike:

    What lens (lenses) on those Pajaro Dunes shots?

    Thanks.

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    Mike

    I shot a Hands On Atlanta event with my daughter and the company tee shirts are all bright RED . I will post a few when I have my files on line. I find if the red gets over saturated that going to the camera calibration sliders ......shift the hue between 4-8 toward yellow and desaturate the red by the same 4-8 range works . This keeps the blues and other colors like K25 without roasting the skin tones.
    HI Roger
    I'm doing the same in Aperture (actually, generally all that's needed is an 8% boost in hue towards yellow).

    I'm hoping that when they get the colour calibration tables in that this won't be necessary (C1 is much closer to correct).

    As you say, it was the same with the M8, the difference being that in high ISO in the M8 it really wasn't 'fixable' whereas it is in the M9.

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    hey folks if you want these raws from when I ran my test let me know i can post the raws so you can compare if you want. These jpegs come out of C1
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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images

    Quote Originally Posted by ElvisKennedy View Post
    Mike:

    What lens (lenses) on those Pajaro Dunes shots?

    Thanks.
    ZM 21 f2.8 and 28 Cron. Shot mainly at f5.6

    If you want to know the specifics on a particular image, just let me know which image.

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