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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Thanks.

    The layer was an ill conceived and poorly done attempt at increasing the DR by selecting the deep shadow areas on a layer and lifting them without affecting the better lit subject area. In my rush to post here I didn't feather the layer or run a noise control program on it. So I just went back to the original and let the shadows go as is, which blocked up. I also did something even more stupid, but ...

    However, this is a lesson as to why a super high contrast lens like the 28/2 ASPH isn't always the best choice for certain lighting conditions (we need a 28/1.4! ). All the Nocti series lenses seem better optimized for higher contrast lighting like experienced when shooting at night. I had less problems exposing a bit more for the shadow areas without blowing the subject's white dress highlights using the 50/0.95 (see attached). Being even a bit lower contrast than the f/0.95, I'd bet the f/1.0 version may have done even better in this specific lighting ... but I'm not sure the level of texture and detail would have been the same.

    I think I just gave myself yet another lame excuse to get more pre ASPH M lenses ...
    Thanks -- great info and good points! (My wallet doesn't agree, but my gut does!)

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    Home Sweet Home
    35 Cron, F2, ISO 160 - B&W Conversion and grain added in CS3.

    I redid this one using Viveza and Silver Efex Pro. Like it better now!

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    I redid this one using Viveza and Silver Efex Pro. Like it better now!

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    Really, really good, Steve.

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    A b&w from the Maine coast. M9 and wate.

    That's flat gorgeous!

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    A b&w from the Maine coast. M9 and wate.

    Beautiful and great B&W..
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    Another autumn shot.

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    Another autumn shot.

    50 Cron.

    Great color and detail. I love the light, the layering of the planes of vegetation, and the way the eyes flows up the valley to the distant ridge. Thanks for posting. Cheers.

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    Another autumn shot.

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    Lloyd, This is a really outstanding shot.

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    On the road in central Arizona
    M8, CV 28 f/1.9, IR filter

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    Quote Originally Posted by m_driscoll View Post
    Great color and detail. I love the light, the layering of the planes of vegetation, and the way the eyes flows up the valley to the distant ridge. Thanks for posting. Cheers.

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    Thank you, Matt. Much appreciated.

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    On the road in central Arizona
    M8, CV 28 f/1.9, IR filter
    Thanks, Cindy.

    This is a great IR. Love those clouds!

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    "The Photographer gets down for the shot"

    Victoria, B. C. Cheers.

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    Maine lake road fall 2009

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    The image of the bus almost looks 3D, nice Steve! Great Maine coast image Steve!

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    Thanks guys! Here is one from today. Not really a great image, but I liked it and thought the B&W came out nice.

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images

    Quote Originally Posted by stevem8 View Post
    Thanks guys! Here is one from today. Not really a great image, but I liked it and thought the B&W came out nice.

    Hi Steve
    Love this . . . but (IMHO of course) it needs cropping and straightening so that you just have the bottom and right hand edges and the cat peering around.

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    Hi Steve
    Love this . . . but (IMHO of course) it needs cropping and straightening so that you just have the bottom and right hand edges and the cat peering around.
    Thanks Jono,

    I think you are right about the cropping. Ill give it a shot.

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images

    Steeve : really great work on the bus photo...3D effect, I will consider these Nik software tools.

    Here are a few post from a famous ultra trail : Le Grand Raid de La Réunion. This is an extrem mountain race : 147 Km 9182m climbing up and 9182m going down in 60 hours limited time. I used to participate and now I prefer to take pictures.
    I was at a checkpoint, middle race (Km 70) after a long descent in the wood, unfortunately for the raiders the weather was really crappy, wich was better for pictures !

    All taken with the Noctilux (last F1.0 coded version), Iso between 800 and 1600.





















    All files processed in LR2 withe the M9 profile (chromasoft).

    As you can see, lots of pain, joy, tired people and still 75 km to run !!!!
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    HI Stef
    These are great - I love the gritty treatment to match the gritty activity.
    I think I'd rather be taking the pictures too!

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    Gary,

    Nice composition and color. Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images

    Is it my imagination but are the images here better than the ones I just saw on the Leica User's Forum?

    Good shots all! EXCELLENT quality. And a great testament to the power of this impressive picture taking machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steflaurent974 View Post
    Steeve : really great work on the bus photo...3D effect, I will consider these Nik software tools.

    Here are a few post from a famous ultra trail : Le Grand Raid de La Réunion. This is an extrem mountain race : 147 Km 9182m climbing up and 9182m going down in 60 hours limited time. I used to participate and now I prefer to take pictures.
    I was at a checkpoint, middle race (Km 70) after a long descent in the wood, unfortunately for the raiders the weather was really crappy, wich was better for pictures !

    All taken with the Noctilux (last F1.0 coded version), Iso between 800 and 1600.

    All files processed in LR2 withe the M9 profile (chromasoft).

    As you can see, lots of pain, joy, tired people and still 75 km to run !!!!
    These really are so nice Stef. My wife and I have been running ultras for years, so these speak to me especially. And, the light in that last one is magic. Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m_driscoll View Post
    Victoria, B. C. Cheers.

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    Nice moment captured, Matt.

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    Maine lake road fall 2009

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    Beautiful autumn scene. Nicely done.

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    Stef, those are fantastic.

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    A friend of mine has a cover band that he formed to play on the weekends. On Friday, they were involved in a local radio station band competition. I stopped by to grab a few shots with the M9 and CV50 Nokton. All were shot at f1.1.

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    Those are great Kurt
    . . . . do you run 'ultras' too?

    Anyway, I'm completely changing the subject. Here is a chicken in the kitchen. . . . why? you might ask . . don't ask!







    all with the 50 'lux, processed in LR3 beta

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    The old dog isn't that impressed either:


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    Stormy afternoon


    this one with the 28 'cron

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    Some recent shots with the 2/35mm ZM Biogon (first and last) and 50 mm Summicron.
    Last edited by Arne Hvaring; 13th June 2011 at 12:10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne Hvaring View Post
    Some recent shots with the 2/35mm ZM Biogon (first and last) and 50 mm Summicron.
    Wow. Those are some beautiful images, Arne. Nicely done indeed.

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    Hi, one of my first M9 shots (CV 15):

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    Quote Originally Posted by steflaurent974 View Post
    Steeve : really great work on the bus photo...3D effect, I will consider these Nik software tools.

    Here are a few post from a famous ultra trail : Le Grand Raid de La Réunion. This is an extrem mountain race : 147 Km 9182m climbing up and 9182m going down in 60 hours limited time. I used to participate and now I prefer to take pictures.
    I was at a checkpoint, middle race (Km 70) after a long descent in the wood, unfortunately for the raiders the weather was really crappy, wich was better for pictures !

    All taken with the Noctilux (last F1.0 coded version), Iso between 800 and 1600.





















    All files processed in LR2 withe the M9 profile (chromasoft).

    As you can see, lots of pain, joy, tired people and still 75 km to run !!!!
    Nothing like that original Noctilux. These have that Noct magic for sure. Love them all!
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    Thank you, Lloyd!

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    Another one with the CV15:


    and a last one (CV Nokton 50/1.5):


    More: http://www.flickr.com/photos/3806817...57622516629433

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    Hi, one of my first M9 shots (CV 15):
    I like this shot a lot, nice colours.
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    Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images

    .erm. . . do we have duplicate Carstens?

    Anyway C_R - welcome! - I really like the two colour pictures - are you doing anything special? coding as a WATE?

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    That 15 looks fabulous on the M9. Whatever you are doing, it is working well.
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    One with the 50 pre-asph Lux at F4. BTW, the house leans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_R View Post
    Hi, one of my first M9 shots (CV 15):
    Great first post!! Welcome. I'm impressed at how go the CV 15 looks on the M9. How are you coding this?

    Looking forward to much more of your work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_R View Post
    Another one with the CV15:

    and a last one (CV Nokton 50/1.5):


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    Really nice.

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    Carsten, Jonathan, Steve, and Lloyd - thanks for your kind welcome ! The CV shows quite heavy vignetting and red corners, I tried cornerfix but was not completely satisfied.
    The best way to fix color shift is LAB color. Re coding: yes, I use the WATE 16 setting but got heavy shifts and vignette nevertheless

    Another with the CV 15:

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_R View Post
    Carsten, Jonathan, Steve, and Lloyd - thanks for your kind welcome ! The CV shows quite heavy vignetting and red corners, I tried cornerfix but was not completely satisfied.
    The best way to fix color shift is LAB color. Re coding: yes, I use the WATE 16 setting but got heavy shifts and vignette nevertheless

    Another with the CV 15:
    Another really nice image. LAB color? What's the process... I'm clueless (on this, and a truly staggering array of other subjects as well. )
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    Hi Carsten,
    I dont feel the M9 is more complex than he M8. Just used the M9 one week during vacation every day and it was easy going.
    I didnt bring the WATE but the 21/2.8asph as widest lens (together with 35/2.5, 50/1.4asph,75/2.5 and 135/3.4) and everything has worked quite well.
    You write its not the sharpest in the corners but I havent experienced any problem in the corners.
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    No question, I am not saying that I think it is a bad or flawed camera. It is just that it is a much more complex solution, where the M8 was simple, almost naïve. Send it in for the sensor fix, slap a filter on every lens, done.

    I pretty much have to sell my CV15, not because it isn't sharp enough, but because the IR correction in the M9 is more complex than before, and no truly satisfactory tool exists for fixing it. CornerFix might get there with time, but I am very reluctant to buy a camera contingent on future improvements (I learned that in the MF world ). Similarly, the Zeiss 18mm is probably out, and that was going to be my next choice. Even the Leica 18mm, my new choice, still has corner problems, and the whole magenta left-side-with-wides issue is something that I am watching very carefully.

    To be sure, the M9 looks like it is several steps ahead of the M8 overall, but right now my M8 is working really well and I get great colours in almost every situation. The M9 introduces more complexity where what I want is simplicity. I just don't want to go through the improvement mill again, but just to buy in once the cake is properly baked.

    I am not expecting a perfect camera, and once the magenta cast and various corner and side casts have been dealt with, I would buy immediately.

    I do trust Leica to get it right, so once it is right, I will definitely buy in. For now, I might hold off on the purchase, unless I get offered a camera which behaves well with the 18mm and has a shutter as quiet as my M8u.

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    Lloyd, Dan Margulis book on "Photoshop LAB color" is heavy stuff, but very useful. The process: convert to LAB mode in PS. Make an adjustment layer, as curves adjustment, in white = transparent mask. With the pipette tool look what your a and b values in the corners should be (test in the upper margin region, or the center as appropriate). Then tweak the a and b curves to get the corners right, aiming at the worst colored corner. After that, the image looks bad (except the corners, of course). Then invert the mask (Ctrl-I), and use the gradient mask tool with white color to unmask the corner region, as appropriate (for less intense shifts you can reduce opacity of the gradient mask there). Voila, flatten the image. The tricky part is how to tweak the a and b curves right. A quick and dirty way is simply to lift the a curve and b curve on the lower left end about 5 to 15 points, as appropriate. Sounds complicate, but can be performed partially as PS action. The great advantage of LAB is that you have separate control over color and contrast, and the by far largest color space -

    Cheers


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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    Hi Carsten,
    I dont feel the M9 is more complex than he M8. Just used the M9 one week during vacation every day and it was easy going.
    The camera itself is not complex, but the corrections it applies are. The IR filter is now only on the sensor, and the corrections for the Leica lenses are built-in, in the sense that you cannot experiment with an alternative lens and Heliopan, B+W and Leica filters, along with various codings to find the best solution. You can only experiment with coding.

    It is probably not that big a deal in the end, but when Leica's own 18mm lens, coded, still has a magenta cast on the left-hand side, and this is after built-in corrections have been applied, the result is no longer as simple to correct as if it hadn't been coded at all.

    I guess in the end Leica will get it right, and the lens will work flawlessly, but the situation is not all that simple at the moment. I am tempted to wait a bit, at least until the 18mm gets sorted out, because I am pretty sure I will buy that lens.


    I didnt bring the WATE but the 21/2.8asph as widest lens (together with 35/2.5, 50/1.4asph,75/2.5 and 135/3.4) and everything has worked quite well.
    You write its not the sharpest in the corners but I havent experienced any problem in the corners.
    Cheers, Tom
    I suppose there is some copy-to-copy variation then. I don't own the lens, but was considering it at one point, and there was a thread on it on l-camera-forum. Wide open, the corners weren't all that strong, and that is on the M8. In the end I bought the WATE, which was sharp (but which I ended up selling due to the workflow on the M8).
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    Quote Originally Posted by C_R View Post
    Lloyd, Dan Margulis book on "Photoshop LAB color" is heavy stuff, but very useful. The process: convert to LAB mode in PS. Make an adjustment layer, as curves adjustment, in white = transparent mask. With the pipette tool look what your a and b values in the corners should be (test in the upper margin region, or the center as appropriate). Then tweak the a and b curves to get the corners right, aiming at the worst colored corner. After that, the image looks bad (except the corners, of course). Then invert the mask (Ctrl-I), and use the gradient mask tool with white color to unmask the corner region, as appropriate (for less intense shifts you can reduce opacity of the gradient mask there). Voila, flatten the image. The tricky part is how to tweak the a and b curves right. A quick and dirty way is simply to lift the a curve and b curve on the lower left end about 5 to 15 points, as appropriate. Sounds complicate, but can be performed partially as PS action. The great advantage of LAB is that you have separate control over color and contrast, and the by far largest color space -

    Cheers


    Carsten
    Thank you, Carsten. I'm looking forward to trying this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
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    this one with the 28 'cron
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    CV 28/1.9:


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    Beautiful images Arne and Lloyd! Thanks Lloyd for your assistance, it really helped.

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