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The All New More and More Fun With Digital M Images
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Lloyd
Active member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M8 Images
Very nice. I especially like that first one, with all four hooves off the ground. Nice conversion as well.
Lloyd
Active member
Mike Hatam
Senior Subscriber Member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
A few shots from the Mission San Carlos Borromeo in Carmel, California...
A few shots from the Mission San Carlos Borromeo in Carmel, California...
Mike Hatam
Senior Subscriber Member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
A few B&W shots from the Mission. Organ inside the church, and the cemetery outside the church...
A few B&W shots from the Mission. Organ inside the church, and the cemetery outside the church...
glenerrolrd
Workshop Member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
Mike I think some of your images look like the M9 has better color saturation ..reminds me of the rendering of slide film ..especially the blue sky. This is what I am seeing when I shoot the m9 and the M8 together. Great stuff.
Mike I think some of your images look like the M9 has better color saturation ..reminds me of the rendering of slide film ..especially the blue sky. This is what I am seeing when I shoot the m9 and the M8 together. Great stuff.
Lloyd
Active member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
Great series, Mike... color and b/w. Very nice.
Mike Hatam
Senior Subscriber Member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
Thanks Roger and Lloyd.
Went for a walk at the beach house at Pajaro Dunes, and took some shots of the interesting architecture in the area. The light was pretty harsh, but still managed to get good colors from the M9...
Thanks Roger and Lloyd.
Went for a walk at the beach house at Pajaro Dunes, and took some shots of the interesting architecture in the area. The light was pretty harsh, but still managed to get good colors from the M9...
Mike Hatam
Senior Subscriber Member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
And a couple more in B&W...
And a couple more in B&W...
Lloyd
Active member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
Nice stuff; interesting architecture. How are you doing your b/w conversions for the M9 files?
Lloyd
Active member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M8 Images
(It's a wonder they're allowing images from that archaic M8 into the magazine. You might as well be shooting Tin types, eh?
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Congratulations, Gary. Great stuff.
(It's a wonder they're allowing images from that archaic M8 into the magazine. You might as well be shooting Tin types, eh?
)
Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
Mike I noticed in C1 when working with the M9 images compared to the P30+ that the saturation was a little high on the M9 and i lowered it by 10 points and it matched up much better. I know you are using LR and it could be different obviously but I am noticing it in your images the saturation looks a little high. Maybe try a couple comparables that might be known to you. When in doubt try a macbeth Color chart. Btw they are looking nice but a little deep
Mike I noticed in C1 when working with the M9 images compared to the P30+ that the saturation was a little high on the M9 and i lowered it by 10 points and it matched up much better. I know you are using LR and it could be different obviously but I am noticing it in your images the saturation looks a little high. Maybe try a couple comparables that might be known to you. When in doubt try a macbeth Color chart. Btw they are looking nice but a little deep
glenerrolrd
Workshop Member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
Guy
The saturation is higher in the conversions of the M9 files in both C1 and LR. LR with the profile from the Cornerfix guru is a custom off the macbeth chart for LR. I found the skin tones to be very accurate with no color caste but the solid colors are more vibrant similar to color slide film. RED for example exactly matches the Coke red on their signs..an easy test.
C1 s profile is a little warmer and has more magenta hue than the LR with Sandy s profile. The Coke RED is more subdued but also has a magenta look . The C1 conversions seem to still have magic in rendering detail but the color isn t better like it was with the M8 files.
The biggest difference looking at the M8 files and the M9 files same exact light ..is the depth of the color....not only is it more saturated but also more vibrant and with better tone separation. Like when you shot the DMR at sunset over water....the deep blues are like MF. This is a diiferent look than when you just pull the saturation slider over .
Guy
The saturation is higher in the conversions of the M9 files in both C1 and LR. LR with the profile from the Cornerfix guru is a custom off the macbeth chart for LR. I found the skin tones to be very accurate with no color caste but the solid colors are more vibrant similar to color slide film. RED for example exactly matches the Coke red on their signs..an easy test.
C1 s profile is a little warmer and has more magenta hue than the LR with Sandy s profile. The Coke RED is more subdued but also has a magenta look . The C1 conversions seem to still have magic in rendering detail but the color isn t better like it was with the M8 files.
The biggest difference looking at the M8 files and the M9 files same exact light ..is the depth of the color....not only is it more saturated but also more vibrant and with better tone separation. Like when you shot the DMR at sunset over water....the deep blues are like MF. This is a diiferent look than when you just pull the saturation slider over .
Guy Mancuso
Administrator, Instructor
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
Thanks Roger yes C1 was and is warmer I noticed as well by about 300 kelvin. I agree on the profile in C1 while very good the color and saturation need a little work. Now you can make a preset in C1 with those corrections and just apply to all when you bring them in. I have not tried Sandy's profile. Probably some more color testing needed and maybe time to take the Color checker inside with strobes and do some comparables and adjustments. If you guys want I obviously can do this with the P30+ since it is a very good color adjusted file that could be a good gold standard to go by and adjust to it. The P30+ is very neutral. If that would help let me know I can shoot it in the studio and provide you guys with the raw. If I had a M9 i could do the same and we will have one in Oregon but not sure we will have strobes with us. Obviously we can also get Jack, Doug and Bob to look at the M9 files since we will have at least one on board. But so far that is what i am seeing in C1.
If you look back at my review you will notice towards the end i brought this up. Also I neglected to mention a slight red in jpegs only with in camera. i only shot it once like that but picked up on it right away. I guess i was just too busy to mention it at the time.
Also I don't want to derail this thread so if you wanted to start a thread on M9 and color and maybe we can work on this
Thanks Roger yes C1 was and is warmer I noticed as well by about 300 kelvin. I agree on the profile in C1 while very good the color and saturation need a little work. Now you can make a preset in C1 with those corrections and just apply to all when you bring them in. I have not tried Sandy's profile. Probably some more color testing needed and maybe time to take the Color checker inside with strobes and do some comparables and adjustments. If you guys want I obviously can do this with the P30+ since it is a very good color adjusted file that could be a good gold standard to go by and adjust to it. The P30+ is very neutral. If that would help let me know I can shoot it in the studio and provide you guys with the raw. If I had a M9 i could do the same and we will have one in Oregon but not sure we will have strobes with us. Obviously we can also get Jack, Doug and Bob to look at the M9 files since we will have at least one on board. But so far that is what i am seeing in C1.
If you look back at my review you will notice towards the end i brought this up. Also I neglected to mention a slight red in jpegs only with in camera. i only shot it once like that but picked up on it right away. I guess i was just too busy to mention it at the time.
Also I don't want to derail this thread so if you wanted to start a thread on M9 and color and maybe we can work on this
Mike Hatam
Senior Subscriber Member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
Thanks guys.
For these particular shots, I pumped up saturation in LR on purpose for effect (bright clear skies tend to look better with saturation pumped).
When the shot includes skin, then I keep saturation more constrained.
Here's an example of one of the architecture shots above.
First the more neutral (contrained) version (Vibrance -1; Saturation -10):
And then the "pumped up" version (Vibrance +8; Saturation +2):
Here's an example of skin tones (Vibrance 0; Saturation -7):
I agree with Roger that I am generally getting higher saturation in my M9 files than I had in my M8 files. Especially in the Reds. And I'm using the ChromaSoft color profile for the M9, which was carefully calibrated on a MacBeth chart.
Notice how deep the pink car is in the last shot, even with Saturation dialed down to minus 7. The skin tones are accurate.
Lloyd - I'm doing my B&W conversions in LR. I outlined the procedure in this post #118 of this thread:
http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpost.php?p=138889&postcount=118
Thanks guys.
For these particular shots, I pumped up saturation in LR on purpose for effect (bright clear skies tend to look better with saturation pumped).
When the shot includes skin, then I keep saturation more constrained.
Here's an example of one of the architecture shots above.
First the more neutral (contrained) version (Vibrance -1; Saturation -10):
And then the "pumped up" version (Vibrance +8; Saturation +2):
Here's an example of skin tones (Vibrance 0; Saturation -7):
I agree with Roger that I am generally getting higher saturation in my M9 files than I had in my M8 files. Especially in the Reds. And I'm using the ChromaSoft color profile for the M9, which was carefully calibrated on a MacBeth chart.
Notice how deep the pink car is in the last shot, even with Saturation dialed down to minus 7. The skin tones are accurate.
Lloyd - I'm doing my B&W conversions in LR. I outlined the procedure in this post #118 of this thread:
http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpost.php?p=138889&postcount=118
Lloyd
Active member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
Thanks, Mike. I had seen that one, and in fact copied it to a file I'm keeping on conversions, etc., with the M9. Just wondered if you were doing something new.
Mike Hatam
Senior Subscriber Member
Re: The All New More and More Fun w/M9 Images
Same workflow on these recent B&W image, Lloyd. But the specifics are fine-tuned for each specific image.
If I get time later this week, I'll take one of them, show it in it's original color form, and then go through the detailed LR recipe for my B&W conversion on that particular image.
Mike
Same workflow on these recent B&W image, Lloyd. But the specifics are fine-tuned for each specific image.
If I get time later this week, I'll take one of them, show it in it's original color form, and then go through the detailed LR recipe for my B&W conversion on that particular image.
Mike