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    CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    I have an M8 with the 35mm summicron and 75 summicron, and am looking for a wider lens that is not very expensive, since I don't shoot very wide most of the time. I have read great things about the CV15, which is equivalent to a 21mm on the M8. Eventually I hope to make the move to an M9 some day (maybe in a year or two), so I think about how lenses would perform on both cameras before buying them.

    I am leaning a bit toward the CV21mm, because I think the CV15mm would be a bit too wide for me on the M9, and 28mm would probably be wide enough for me on the M8 (although I wouldn't mind just a bit wider, like a 24mm). Both CVs are now rangefinder-coupled and come in the M-mount; the CV15mm is more expensive. I don't know much about the performance of the CV21on the M8. Part of me says to get the CV15 because I can always sell it later if I don't like how it would eventually perform on a M9, and I would slightly prefer a 21mm over a 28mm on my M8.

    Anyone have any comments on how these lenses compare in optical and other qualities on the M8?

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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    I have both, they are 2 very good value lenses and are fun to work with.
    If you say you don't like the super wide, you'll be better of with the Skopar 21.
    It' a nice 28mm on the M8 and a real 21 on the M9, very sharp and surprisingly small (You'll need an external viewfinder tough - 28mm for the M8 and 21 for your M9).
    With the Skopar you can't go wrong.

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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    Hi Peter
    I don't know about the 21 (although I guess it would be just fine). But the 15mm CV is rather a disappointment on the M9 - the corners are sharp, but there are colour shifts relating to the vignetting.

    So, if you're planning on an M9 later, I'd suggest getting the 21

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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    Has anyone tried a Zeiss 18 on the M9? I'm wondering if it has the same color shifts that are seen with the CV15.
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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hatam View Post
    Has anyone tried a Zeiss 18 on the M9? I'm wondering if it has the same color shifts that are seen with the CV15.
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    I doubt it . . . besides, I think that there might be a solution coming up for the CV 15 (not from me).

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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bébèrt View Post
    I have both, they are 2 very good value lenses and are fun to work with.
    If you say you don't like the super wide, you'll be better of with the Skopar 21.
    It' a nice 28mm on the M8 and a real 21 on the M9, very sharp and surprisingly small (You'll need an external viewfinder tough - 28mm for the M8 and 21 for your M9).
    With the Skopar you can't go wrong.

    Good lens for travel, sightseeing and street photography.
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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    I've had both, and while the CV 15 can do some great landscapes and UW effects, the 21 on M8 is wide enough for my use.

    With the 15 on M8, I needed an external VF (21mm), which was always a hassle to first find and mount for a quick shot, but with the CV 21/4 I can use it just realizing it extends slightly outside the whole M8 VF and verify with first shot if accurate framing is needed.

    I haven't found the need for filters with either. The chances of mis/over-cyan correction are just as great as under-correction, in my experience when coding and using filters on the CV 15 and CV 21.

    However, if you do feel like coding your 15, or any uncoded lens, Bo Lorentzen has a handy hard template that will let you code your lens with a sharpie very quickly.
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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    Lloyd, I'm blushing now. Luckily you can't see my face now.
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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    I'm a fan of the CV 21, and while the older CV 15/4.5 has its limitations, it's certainly a capable lens on the M8. I would not dismiss it too quickly. Here are a few examples from my archives:









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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    A couple more with the CV15/4.5:
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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    Absolutely amazing. Love this shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bender View Post
    Absolutely amazing. Love this shot.
    Thank you, I'm honored.

    One more from the CV 15/4.5:

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    Thanks for the feedback and really nice photos. A CV15 with viewfinder came up for sale here yesterday, so I am going to try it out.

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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    Lloyd, super nice one with the 15mm/4.5. The other set with the CV21 is also awsome.

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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    Great discussion and shots. I want to add an ultrawide in the 15-24mm range so I was thinking Zeiss 18mm or CV 21mm maybe
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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bébèrt View Post
    Lloyd, super nice one with the 15mm/4.5. The other set with the CV21 is also awsome.
    Thank you Bébèrt. These are really nice. Just to clarify, all of the images I posted were taken with the CV 15/4.5. I have, and love the 21, but didn't post anything taken with it.

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    Re: CV 15 Super Heliar or 21 Skopar for M8/M9?

    Sorry, I misread Lloyd.
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