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    M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Anyone with the grey finish M9 having any paint issues? i.e. is it robust?

    I'm starting to hear bad stories about the steel grey finish - enough to have me reconsider my choice and decision to wait for a grey camera. (Kind of annoying as I passed up on the Black M9 offered to me by my dealer this week!).

    Anyone?

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    I've heard the same, but I want someone with one of the cameras to comment.

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    So far its all rumors as there are not even more than what, 10-15 or so grey bodies out there??

    I know of a couple of people who have the grey and they love it. No issues, but only time will tell.
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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    It is new paint that leica just started to use on their cameras. Like the original black pain on M2, M3 camers, they became brassed easily. Maybe some people wil like it.

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    black paint won't last as long as black chrome so I assume the same for gray paint.

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    I heard today from someone with both grey and black demo cameras that the grey shows significantly more wear in the paint finish. It is my distinct impression that both cameras have seen equal use/evaluation.

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by thrice View Post
    I heard today from someone with both grey and black demo cameras that the grey shows significantly more wear in the paint finish. It is my distinct impression that both cameras have seen equal use/evaluation.
    Wondering what the material is under teh paint finish...hopefully brass -

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    nickel and then brass, same with the black finishes I believe?

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    nickel and then brass, same with the black finishes I believe?
    Just brass I think. Unlike 'traditional' black chrome and silver bodies, the paint should wear straight through to brass

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Well, all I know is that something's up with the grey supply. My dealer called me on Friday to say that he'd chatted with our Leica rep and that the expected EARLIEST date that I'd see my grey M9 would be ... January/February 2010. By contrast, I should get a black one in the next week or two depending upon Leica's next delivery out to dealers. Btw, I ordered my camera prior to August 9th.

    They didn't specifically say that the issue was with the grey finish but sure as heck implied it just about as far as an implication can be made.

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    My London dealer (who is a little prone to exaggerate things but is essentially very trustworthy) claims he's already had two grey M9s returned with the paint coming off. Maybe Leica are concerned about how durable this paint is?

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    Leica should give us black chrome, chrome or anthracite like on the M9 and leave the black paint as a la carte. I don't particular care for black paint or nay other paint as it wears too fast.

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    I have a grey one, no issues with the finish so far after heavy use during travel, and 1300 sots

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    How much extra are you willing to pay for the chrome finish?
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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    How much extra are you willing to pay for the chrome finish?
    Hi Carsten
    Do you think it's more expensive? I would have thought that all of these finishes are pretty cheap to apply.

    Mind you, I'm not sure what I'd prefer - certainly I like the look of ageing black paint better than ageing black chrome (and it certainly does age).

    I guess the best of the finishes is silver chrome in terms of longevity, but it's only because the shininess and marks don't show as much as on the black.

    I think the grey finish is a nice idea, and that's what I'm holding out for.

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Painting is cheap: spray and bake. Chroming in small batches would almost certainly be more expensive. I think that the brass parts are even nickel-plated first, but I am not sure about that. I was trying to point out that if a chrome edition becomes available one day, it might be at an extra cost, and knowing Leica, that cost would be higher than expected.

    I truly believe that the grey/black paint is a cost-cutting measure, and I doubt they would have done it if it had only saved €100-200 per body... Releasing the M9 at only €1500 more than the M8.2 was a real coup for Leica, and probably contributes to the success.
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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post

    I truly believe that the grey/black paint is a cost-cutting measure, and I doubt they would have done it if it had only saved 100-200 per body... Releasing the M9 at only 1500 more than the M8.2 was a real coup for Leica, and probably contributes to the success.
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    I just can't believe that nickel coating and plating could cost anything like that much (but what do I know).

    Let's face it, black paint was always a more expensive option before!

    I think they were just ringing the changes a little . . the top LCD, and the non-sapphire LCD I agree, but the paint? surely not.

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I think the grey finish is a nice idea, and that's what I'm holding out for.
    Second that ...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI There
    I just can't believe that nickel coating and plating could cost anything like that much (but what do I know).
    To give you an idea: paid €256,57 (ex VAT) for replacing my (silver) chrome M8 cover plate. Yes I'm guilty of bouncing my M to the ground ...


    Let's just hope the quality of the steel-grey painting is not one of the reasons for the delay.

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Jono, maybe you are right. After all, €256,57 for the top plate is a downright bargain, if you have seen it from the inside, like I have. I suppose it just saved a little bit then, and then were really going for €100 here, €100 there, to rein in the costs.
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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Second that ...



    To give you an idea: paid 256,57 (ex VAT) for replacing my (silver) chrome M8 cover plate. Yes I'm guilty of bouncing my M to the ground ...


    Let's just hope the quality of the steel-grey painting is not one of the reasons for the delay.

    Kind regards.
    Wow bart - that is cheap - I was quoted 159 for a base plate!

    Let's hope it isn't the reason, and that if it is, they've sorted it and they've started shipping again.

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    It is so cheap that I am suspicious. I was also quoted way above €100 for a base plate (I ended up buying a second-hand one in near-perfect condition for €140), and the top plate is in another league for complexity. I wonder if there was some price-cutting or something going on? I should ask my dealer to find a cost on a top plate for me. I mean, the thing is milled from solid brass, nickel-plated and then chromed. How could they do that for €260?
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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    It is so cheap that I am suspicious. I was also quoted way above 100 for a base plate (I ended up buying a second-hand one in near-perfect condition for 140), and the top plate is in another league for complexity. I wonder if there was some price-cutting or something going on? I should ask my dealer to find a cost on a top plate for me. I mean, the thing is milled from solid brass, nickel-plated and then chromed. How could they do that for 260?
    Well, easily I'd guess . . . if they were making thousands.

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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Yes, but in contrast with the base plate it makes no sense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    It is so cheap that I am suspicious. I was also quoted way above 100 for a base plate (I ended up buying a second-hand one in near-perfect condition for 140), and the top plate is in another league for complexity. I wonder if there was some price-cutting or something going on? I should ask my dealer to find a cost on a top plate for me. I mean, the thing is milled from solid brass, nickel-plated and then chromed. How could they do that for 260?
    Carsten, don't no about price-cutting or something else going on, perhaps they felt sorry for me and of course I'm very humble and polite, too
    Anyway, adding 19% tax makes 305,32 for the top/cover plate.
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    Re: M9 Grey Finish issues?

    Folks, an important lesson in life is not confusing selling price with cost ...

    With respect to the M9, I suspect we'll look back at the paint vs chrome issue as Leica penny pinching - particularly when considered against what looks like being a sales bonanza for Leica at the moment (well, it would be if they could ship them ...).

    (Btw, I'll draw an automotive analogy with another German company: In 2000 I bought a new Porsche 911 convertible - it came with interior switch gear that would have put a cheap & nasty compact car to shame. Mechanically and dynamically the car was wonderful and a big step up from the 993 IMHO but the interior was a SIGNIFICANT step backwards. It took Porsche a couple of years to get the message that penny pinching loses sales - they eventually sorted this out but I had a couple of similar enthusiasts who wouldn't buy an early 996 because of this alone).
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